Rifle Scopes Too Much Scope for a SCAR 17? ;D
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heck no, thats solid, with the low end FOV and high end mag I feel its a great option. Nice looking setup!!!
Def not. Perfect fit for it. I ran a nxs 3.5-15 and a 5-22 both. Great rifles need a great optic!?
no such thing.
since the scar heavy is accurate out to 600+ or beyond, there are times like varmint hunting where you might need higher magnification (just because the targets are small). looks like you have a qd mount so the optic isn't married to the rifle.
since the scar heavy is accurate out to 600+ or beyond, there are times like varmint hunting where you might need higher magnification (just because the targets are small). looks like you have a qd mount so the optic isn't married to the rifle.
I had that Razor 4.5-27 sitting around without a rifle and started to think to myself... self, what if you got a 22” 6.5cm barrel spun up for it and slapped the 4.5-27 on it.
You know, make it a switch barrel setup with the Razor 1-6 with the stock 16” 308 barrel and the like?
But after looking at the cost of doing so, I’m starting to question “self”. :/
You know, make it a switch barrel setup with the Razor 1-6 with the stock 16” 308 barrel and the like?
But after looking at the cost of doing so, I’m starting to question “self”. :/
saw a guy the other day that had a 20" 6.5 CM barrel for sniping, the stock 16" for a battle rifle, and a CQC 11.5" for his 17S all in one case.
Y'all is retarded...take one of the lightest most agile battle rifles and put a fucking boat anchor on it. Not to mention it will probally nuke that scope with enough use. The 1-6 is the only razor that has been tested hard enough on the 17 to trust it.
No scope actually mounts to a SCAR; it basically just rents space there.
it's never too much as long as you the owner like it .
Cantilever scope mount = BAD on scar.
Whips the scope like a tuning fork
Whips the scope like a tuning fork
This is why scar specific scope mounts look like this
If the rifle is intended to be your "precision" rifle than go for it.
My recent change in thinking had me pull the S&B 5-25 PMII off my LMT MWS (.308) and replace it with the 1-8X USO from my .223 LMT.
The .223 LMT got a TA31 ACOG and may go to an RDS at some point in the future.
My thinking is semis are meant for light weight (which isnt the MWS) accurate volume of fire.
The bolt guns are for precision.
Just my philosophy no one else has to subscribe to it or like it.
My recent change in thinking had me pull the S&B 5-25 PMII off my LMT MWS (.308) and replace it with the 1-8X USO from my .223 LMT.
The .223 LMT got a TA31 ACOG and may go to an RDS at some point in the future.
My thinking is semis are meant for light weight (which isnt the MWS) accurate volume of fire.
The bolt guns are for precision.
Just my philosophy no one else has to subscribe to it or like it.
It's your scopes funeral.
You guys should do some research on scars breaking optics/lasers/clip ons/etc
Yea it's funny watching peeps talk out their ass who don't have the faintest idea about the platform.
I'd probably opt for something lighter but I don't see a problem with this choice. Are you going to run it with a grip fin? I've been toying with the idea of featureless on a SCAR but don't care for the Thordsen style stock. Other grips beyond the fin style don't seem feasible on the SCAR at the moment.
Adds a 6th color to the setup. I like it. Seriously though, if you don't mind the weight, it'll help you discover the accuracy potential. But, I'm biased. I've got a 5-25 ATACR on a JP LRP07 6.5 and the way it shoots, I believe it deserves it.
I tried all of them and the simple Strike Industries grip with an ambi safety seemed to work best for me.
I am in the process of relocating out of California and all of my semiautos are already in New Mexico. Removing all the silly California-compliant stuff and replacing it with normal AR accessories was a cathartic experience. I needed a cigar afterwards.
ILya
As far as the original question goes, on an accurate and reasonably light semi-auto I really like LPVOs or more conventional DMR scopes with an offset red dot. The 4.5-27x56 Razor is probably more scope than I would put on there, but that kinda depends on what you are looking to do with it.
I will also say that the short Vudu 5-25x50, at least aesthetically, would look better on a SCAR.
ILya
I will also say that the short Vudu 5-25x50, at least aesthetically, would look better on a SCAR.
ILya
Never fired a scar doesn't know shit about the platform but has a opinion worth listening to? L o L
Fyi the ATACR 8 and the scar17 are a match made in heaven. Now go be poor somewhere else.......
Screw the may Sayers. Use what you like.
Your numbers are wrong and you don't know what your talking about...but please keep going......Not that hard to figure out that 9 of 10 people who have a scar have killed scopes.
this thing and optics aren’t friends.
Don’t need to be operator as shit to put 2 and 2 together
Scar breaks shitty optics to be specific. Any optic, laser, light or thermal worth a shit,( with the intention of going on one of these) made in the last 10 years was scar proofed as part of it's development. If a scar eats it, then it's a subpar product. Half the shit in the block 2 sopmod was specifically to fix difficencies becuase the 17 was killing their gear.
Yea use something that was never designed to be used on a certain platform and will most likely kill it. You going to foot the repair bill? Otherwise stay quiet while adults are talking.
Thats why you peasants need to move up to a SCAR 20S and use that extra magnification!
Since you seem to be the resident scar source of information, instead of playing around and telling people they don't know anything post a list of viable optics and the thread ends.
Op has his answers and the rest of us are enlightened as well
We've done this thread before multiple times maybe use the search feature to educate yourself instead of complaining like a child.
Well this thread has been fun.
Just to clarify guys, I think the scope is a bit big and heavy for the rifle. I was bored last night and thought it'd be fun to see what the big Razor looked like on a SCAR 17.
The Razor 1-6x is what normally sits on the SCAR and I think they're a great combo.
I get that the idea of the SCAR 17 is to be a lightweight fast rifle. But I also started to think, "Well I wonder if I could turn this into a tack driver? Spin up a 6.5cm heavy barrel and put a higher mag scope on it."
I mean, they did it with the SCAR 20 right?
Which brings up the question, maybe @Primus knows, but did they change anything with the way recoil occurs on the 20s?
If it could be, would be cool! Not sure how the piston would affect accuracy potential. I'm so used to my OBR's recoil pulse as a precision semi.
Yep, using exile's grip fin. It has a place for your thumb so you can get some purchase when grabbing it. Not anywhere near as good as a pistol grip, but enough to handle the gun.
I regularly shoot with my SCAR 16 with the same grip and it works fine. However I had to put the side charge handle on my strong side because it's the only way one can properly handle the rifle during FTF drills.
I'm with you. If I really did spin up a barrel for it, I'd probably just put a NF 4-16 or the like on it.
Just to clarify guys, I think the scope is a bit big and heavy for the rifle. I was bored last night and thought it'd be fun to see what the big Razor looked like on a SCAR 17.
The Razor 1-6x is what normally sits on the SCAR and I think they're a great combo.
I get that the idea of the SCAR 17 is to be a lightweight fast rifle. But I also started to think, "Well I wonder if I could turn this into a tack driver? Spin up a 6.5cm heavy barrel and put a higher mag scope on it."
I mean, they did it with the SCAR 20 right?
Which brings up the question, maybe @Primus knows, but did they change anything with the way recoil occurs on the 20s?
If it could be, would be cool! Not sure how the piston would affect accuracy potential. I'm so used to my OBR's recoil pulse as a precision semi.
Yep, using exile's grip fin. It has a place for your thumb so you can get some purchase when grabbing it. Not anywhere near as good as a pistol grip, but enough to handle the gun.
I regularly shoot with my SCAR 16 with the same grip and it works fine. However I had to put the side charge handle on my strong side because it's the only way one can properly handle the rifle during FTF drills.
I'm with you. If I really did spin up a barrel for it, I'd probably just put a NF 4-16 or the like on it.
Complaining, I processed information came up with the correct solution which everyone agrees with...you included
You jump in calling people names like you are the all knowing scar czar
Then when pressed for info you say I'm complaining and tell me use the search function...
I'll prob find you on another thread telling people they don't know anything and not giving real info again
Orrrr, you could just list a few products that will help out other scar owners IF they use the search function
Hell, Might get lucky and get a pin or called sticky
Sorry op didn't want to hijack with back and forth crap
I'm just here for the fun, not really a semi auto guy
You jump in calling people names like you are the all knowing scar czar
Then when pressed for info you say I'm complaining and tell me use the search function...
I'll prob find you on another thread telling people they don't know anything and not giving real info again
Orrrr, you could just list a few products that will help out other scar owners IF they use the search function
Hell, Might get lucky and get a pin or called sticky
Sorry op didn't want to hijack with back and forth crap
I'm just here for the fun, not really a semi auto guy
I'm not up to speed on the mk20 but from what I've read is it does mitigate some of the recoil impulse with a heavier system in relation to similar size bolt carrier mass. Still wouldn't risk a $2k+ optic unless I know it's been tested by socom and proven ( nf, bush et, s&b). Rumor was the bushnell dmr was designed from a spec for the early mk20 as a compact & robust option.
Fast and easy rule is if you see a guy deployed with xxx scope on his mk17/20, it's probally good to go. The more recent the pic, the better. Look specifically for SF and Ranger public affairs pics. They are littered in there. You will see mostly S&B and NF on the mk20.
Fast and easy rule is if you see a guy deployed with xxx scope on his mk17/20, it's probally good to go. The more recent the pic, the better. Look specifically for SF and Ranger public affairs pics. They are littered in there. You will see mostly S&B and NF on the mk20.
not really. the heavier barrel and rifle mitigate the recoil quite a bit (at the cost of having an 11lb+ rifle), but that is it.
the Scar platform is a copy of a battle rifle and is configured for maximum reliability*, this is why they are "over gassed" as some put it.
they weren't designing a rifle that is pleasant to shoot for girls, or that wouldn't trash cheap optics, they designed a gun that would run no matter what after hundreds or thousands of rounds in adverse conditions, without slowing down or failing because of carbon build up.
as mentioned, if you're not too worried about reliability or running under adverse conditions, you can replace the gas jet with a smaller one to mitigate the rearward recoil, but it isn't going to do too much to change the forward impulse of the heavy carrier group (which is typically what dooms cheap optics not designed with that in mind). it helps but doesn't eliminate the potential for damage to cheap optics. the solution is to use battle tested optics or at the very least, scopes with a lifetime warranty
i have not seen anyone running a smaller jet and a lighter return spring. i suppose that might be an option at some point.
it is that forward impulse from the heavy carrier group slamming forward that seems to be a problem for optics, since they have been designed in the past to withstand (primarily) the rearward recoil.
since short stroke piston driven rifles are more common now, scope manufacturers started taking this forward impulse into consideration and top tier scopes should not encounter issues. I have hundreds of rounds under a Leupold Mark 5HD with no signs of failure or problems.
*RE: Reliability - like probably all Scar drivers, i have seen the YT video of one vet complaining that his Scar-H wasn't reliable.
What we don't see or hear in the video is them repeating these failures on camera.
After discussing this with other vets that ran them in the field, it seems this is probably a case of running the heavy in full auto, probably suppressed, without adjusting the gas, something we won't run into in civilian deployment.
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i should add that is does suck that scar owners have to spend bucks up for a scar-tolerant optic, but considering the cost of the rifle itself, it isn't necessarily crazy. it might be a bummer if you bought a scar heavy not knowing that you won't be able to use just any scope you already have.
Koshkin,
Have you done a review on the 5-25 vudu? If you have please let me know where. There is very little information on this optic.
as i mentioned, it is QD so he can throw it on the Scar if he goes varmint hunting and needs a hi-power scope to see the critters.
the now extinct Exile fin (built to install on a Magpul MIAD) has a thumb rest and was one of the better options (for me).
a calguns vendor said he is going to start making them again. He makes the Sparrow grip that points to the rear.
Hi,
OT but SCAR related lol....
Name the only weapon system to be adopted by SOCOM to have a solicitation for a new magazine/new magazine design the day the weapon system was adopted lolol....
And who says .gov only gets the best of the best, lolol?
Ever wonder why so many different optic types and manufacturers have had to "harden" their optics to be SCAR compatible? 90% of that is due to the mounts and the mount type that SOCOM tends to favor.
The other 10% is solved from stop trying to run a Primary Arms 1-8x shit on anything but an airsoft version of a SCAR.
Sincerely,
Theis
OT but SCAR related lol....
Name the only weapon system to be adopted by SOCOM to have a solicitation for a new magazine/new magazine design the day the weapon system was adopted lolol....
And who says .gov only gets the best of the best, lolol?
Ever wonder why so many different optic types and manufacturers have had to "harden" their optics to be SCAR compatible? 90% of that is due to the mounts and the mount type that SOCOM tends to favor.
The other 10% is solved from stop trying to run a Primary Arms 1-8x shit on anything but an airsoft version of a SCAR.
Sincerely,
Theis
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Meh, the ELCAN is a little dated but they are built like a brick shit house. I’ve had a SpecterDR 1x/4x on a short barreled 5.56mm (10.5”) LMT and a SpecterDR 1.5x/6x on a short barreled SCAR 17 (13”) for the last five years. I work with these rifles (they are not range toys) and have at least 10,000+ rounds each through both of them. Not a hiccup. Granted I have also jumped on the Nightforce bandwagon as they offer a very competitive Fed/Mil discount so I am also using the ATACR 1-8 (excellent) and some of the NX8 1-8’s (also excellent) on different platforms but for what it’s worth I wouldn’t use anything on my SCAR but the ELCAN.
P.s. No mount issues with ELCAN! They are heavy but I actually like the extra weight on the 17.
Well they should have speced sr25 mags from the begining. Ya know for compatibility with existing .308 rifles already littered all over SOCOM. The modified FAL mags are fantastic but a bit heavy. It's not worth going with an sr25 lower unless you need cross comparability or more than 12 mags( last time I did break even calc). Dod weapons procurement history is littered with retarded decisions compounded by sunk cost stupidity. The sr25/m110 pips are one of the best examples of manufacture litterly begging them to let them improve a system instead of a dumb ass dod speced system and them say.....na............and then wonder why there are issues.
The elcan is a proven piece of shit dispite novice efforts to refute. Wondering zero, poi shift between powers and the craptastici arms mount are the biggest issues. It has been redesigned numerous times to try and fix these issues, some resolved and some not.
If it wasn't for dumb ass cloners and posers trying to copy what dipship contracting officers and non ground pounding officers selected....you would see none of these in private hands. It's a bean counter optic that bean counter weekend warriors purchase. Anyone with enough cases behind these things realises this. Everyone else??? Slow learner's and window lickers.
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Meh, again. I trust my life every day to one; holds zero just swell, takes a lickin' and keeps on ticken'. One thing I learned very early on in my career is never take advice from anyone that speaks in absolutes.
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Interested as well. Thanks!
