I think it'll happen someday when people feel the need to have 30+ pound rifles to be competitive.
What's it going to take for the PRS,NRL, etc to make weight limits?
What's it going to take for the PRS,NRL, etc to make weight limits?
guess the handicap fellas wont be able to outshoot you then. solid tacticsWe don’t need weight limits, I just think no matter what you should have To walk the whole match no rifle buggies.
That is true. I'm only pointing out much more ridiculous things are going to get as far as un-practicality.I mean weight limit or not if you can’t shoot you can’t shoot. Still gotta make wind calls. The NRLH series is a great series if you want to shoot lighter rifles.
leave it up to the MD to make a 30 pound rifle impractical. it's not that hard to doThat is true. I'm only pointing out much more ridiculous things are going to get as far as un-practicality.
The only thing that makes sense to restrict is rifle weight. Who would do better in a match if you had a clone? The clone with a 30lb rifle or you with an 18lb rifle?
They’d obviously make an exception for handicap people.guess the handicap fellas wont be able to outshoot you then. solid tactics
Every other sport has placed restrictions on equipment for one reason or another. If I was at the top of the sport and I thought a super heavy rifle would improve my odds if winning, I would hump that heavy rifle through whatever I had to. It's already happened in this sport with 24lb rifles.leave it up to the MD to make a 30 pound rifle impractical. it's not that hard to do
the more we trend towards 'barricade benchrest' the more a 30 pound rifle makes sense
and i bet if you weighed the top 20 at the PRS finale the average will between 20-24 pounds anyways. and look what cartridges they are shooting. not all 6BR variants
Well I just finished 4th at a 2 day NRL match yesterday with an 18lbs 25 creed lol and last 2 day match I ran a 23lbs 6BR and did terrible. I made the move to a lighter rifle because I can move faster and get to different positions faster. I prefer 18-20lbs guns after running 22+ Last season.That is true. I'm only pointing out much more ridiculous things are going to get as far as un-practicality.
The only thing that makes sense to restrict is rifle weight. Who would do better in a match if you had a clone? The clone with a 30lb rifle or you with an 18lb rifle?
Touche'Well I just finished 4th at a 2 day NRL match yesterday with an 18lbs 25 creed lol and last 2 day match I ran a 23lbs 6BR and did terrible. I made the move to a lighter rifle because I can move faster and get to different positions faster. I prefer 18-20lbs guns after running 22+ Last season.
Just to play devil’s advocate, but why is running a 30lbs 6BR or whatever caliber bullshit?Just add a big standing unsupported stage. Average points in a way that prohibits winning without a 50% or better in SUS
(Fuck I’m old) When we used to run matches in the 90s that’s how we kept bullshit in check.
We had a match director here that made you carry everything you brought all day long. And you started each stage with everything in your pack and wearing your pack. Made you think about what you really needed.Just add a big standing unsupported stage. Average points in a way that prohibits winning without a 50% or better in SUS
(Fuck I’m old) When we used to run matches in the 90s that’s how we kept bullshit in check.
Just to play devil’s advocate, but why is running a 30lbs 6BR or whatever caliber bullshit?
At the end of the day we’re playing a game. And the ultimate equalizer is wind anyway.
I beat a bunch of guys with much heavier guns shooting lighter calibers this weekend.
If you really want to discourage some of the heavy rifles, instead of weight limits just do more 90 second stages. Lots of movement and positions. That’s how I learned I wanted an 18lbs gun more than a 23lbs gun.
Now In all fairness I prefer those types of matches because shooting prone or modified prone is boring as fuck.
But I just want to highlight the point that you can still let people run what they wana run without making it a rules thing. I suppose weight classes as opposed to out right bans could be something to look into. But I don’t think we should ban certain things from what’s essentially a game.
Separates the men from the (tripod) boys, that's for sure.Just add a big standing unsupported stage. Average points in a way that prohibits winning without a 50% or better in SUS
(Fuck I’m old) When we used to run matches in the 90s that’s how we kept bullshit in check.
Do you think the sport is big enough for weight classes? I suppose with the shooter base being small, it's best to keep everything "open", or have a sportwide restriction.Just to play devil’s advocate, but why is running a 30lbs 6BR or whatever caliber bullshit?
At the end of the day we’re playing a game. And the ultimate equalizer is wind anyway.
I beat a bunch of guys with much heavier guns shooting lighter calibers this weekend.
If you really want to discourage some of the heavy rifles, instead of weight limits just do more 90 second stages. Lots of movement and positions. That’s how I learned I wanted an 18lbs gun more than a 23lbs gun.
Now In all fairness I prefer those types of matches because shooting prone or modified prone is boring as fuck.
But I just want to highlight the point that you can still let people run what they wana run without making it a rules thing. I suppose weight classes as opposed to out right bans could be something to look into. But I don’t think we should ban certain things from what’s essentially a game.
I can shoot my 26lb rifle off hand, finally I could be competitive.Just add a big standing unsupported stage. Average points in a way that prohibits winning without a 50% or better in SUS
(Fuck I’m old) When we used to run matches in the 90s that’s how we kept bullshit in check.
I don’t know that it is or not, but I also don’t think it’s a problem lol if you can shoot you can shoot. Again, if you can’t read wind, I don’t think a 30lbs 6BR or an 18lbs 6BR is gonna make a difference. Like there’s never been a match I’ve shot where I’ve looked at a stage and said damn I wish I had 5 mor lbs on my gun.Do you think the sport is big enough for weight classes? I suppose with the shooter base being small, it's best to keep everything "open", or have a sportwide restriction.
I shouldn't complain though. If really cared I would try and become a billionaire to start my own sport.
and u have to "carry" everything between stagesNRL hunter, Competition dynamics have both solved this. It's called natural terrain and movement on the clock.
Although I guess NRL Hunter specifically calls out weight classes too. Many stages still have 100+ yards of movement on the clock, and the 20lb guns are not fun to run with.
Tungsten or you’re a bitch
Osmium?Tungsten is for the Poors. For the rest of us, Rhenium is were it’s at.
Well Velayo also “only” placed 44th at the PRS Finale, significantly behind the top names in the game who were likely running heavier setups. Given that he teaches fundamentals for a living, he was likely at an equipment disadvantage running an 18lb gun, placing well behind non-professionals.I don’t know that it is or not, but I also don’t think it’s a problem lol if you can shoot you can shoot. Again, if you can’t read wind, I don’t think a 30lbs 6BR or an 18lbs 6BR is gonna make a difference. Like there’s never been a match I’ve shot where I’ve looked at a stage and said damn I wish I had 5 mor lbs on my gun.
You look at someone like Phil Velayo and I know for a fact his gun also is only 18lbs. His white & red KRG W3. And he’s won a pretty good amount of matches.
I don’t believe giving Jake vibbert a 17lbs gun this past weekend would’ve made him not stomp us by 19 points.
At some point the practical and recoil difference hits a point of very steep diminishing returns. Like I don’t think a 23lbs 6BR or a 30lbs 6BR is gonna have a noticeable difference in recoil. Hell with the small 6mm’s and a good muzzle brake you’d probably have to drop down to something like a 10-12lbs gun to get anything that feels close to recoil.
Velayo also won the PRS California match in March with the same gun. I mean I didn’t see you at either of the matches you speak of. You can say what you want but equipment wasn’t the cause of the 44th place finish or why I finished 4th. Don’t be salty cause you can’t shoot too good lmaoWell Velayo also “only” placed 44th at the PRS Finale, significantly behind the top names in the game who were likely running heavier setups. Given that he teaches fundamentals for a living, he was likely at an equipment disadvantage running an 18lb gun, placing well behind non-professionals.
I also wouldnt read too much into match placement at the Texas NRL event. With only 29 total competitors (smaller than most club matches), and Vibbert being the only top competitor, it’s not a representative sample of what top shooters are running.
You got 4th at the finale?Velayo also won the PRS California match in March with the same gun. I mean I didn’t see you at either of the matches you speak of. You can say what you want but equipment wasn’t the cause of the 44th place finish or why I finished 4th. Don’t be salty cause you can’t shoot too good lmao
No at the Texas NRL match this past weekend. I mentioned it in post #11 of this thread when asked if I’d do better with an 18lbs gun or a 30lbs gun.You got 4th at the finale?
Velayo also won the PRS California match in March with the same gun. I mean I didn’t see you at either of the matches you speak of. You can say what you want but equipment wasn’t the cause of the 44th place finish or why I finished 4th. Don’t be salty cause you can’t shoot too good lmao
Missing slowly.So if it’s not his fundamentals or equipment, then what causes him to get 44th?
The 43 other people in front of himSo if it’s not his fundamentals or equipment, then what causes him to get 44th?
CAF...Ummm, if you want one I will make you one...
Besides it's the coll thing to buy ultra light then buy lots of weights so it looks comp as fuck!!!
Ohhh new abbreviation.... COF!!! Not course of fire
Maybe bad wind calls, or sometimes you just don’t have a good match. These matches are 90% mental and you make 1 or 2 mental mistakes and you just start bleeding points. Something like the finale, if you drop 1-2 points per stage you’re so far behind you can’t make it up.So if it’s not his fundamentals or equipment, then what causes him to get 44th?
Why are you so worried. He's not focusing on PRS.So if it’s not his fundamentals or equipment, then what causes him to get 44th?
Velayo also won the PRS California match in March with the same gun. I mean I didn’t see you at either of the matches you speak of. You can say what you want but equipment wasn’t the cause of the 44th place finish or why I finished 4th. Don’t be salty cause you can’t shoot too good lmao
The ham sandwich...So if it’s not his fundamentals or equipment, then what causes him to get 44th?
I hate to bitch-- and don't get me wrong; I ate the sandwich and I was happy to have the meal... But it has always been beyond me why people thick cut ham for a sandwich. Thin sliced is so much better I don't even know why the former is still a practiced option...The ham sandwich...
I hate to bitch-- and don't get me wrong; I ate the sandwich and I was happy to have the meal... But it has always been beyond me why people thick cut ham for a sandwich. Thin sliced is so much better I don't even know why the former is still a practiced option...
To the OP, I know of a few folks that have tried and the word I heard is that it didn't work out as cool as you'd hope. Something to do with vibration IIRC.
Lmao spoken like a true loser. Come out to any match and I’ll still out shoot you. Go the fuck home Mike you look like a clown right now.4th out of 29 shooters.
Lmao spoken like a true loser. Come out to any match and I’ll still out shoot you. Go the fuck home clown.