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Maggot

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    Considering, a move to Oklahoma. Ive about had it with the increasing congestion and changing attitudes here on the yeast coast. Virginia did make some strides in taking back the Bill or Rights, but I fear that is temporary. Ive done a lot of research and think Oklahoma and I might be a good fit. Very conservative (except for Norman) and gun friendly. would like to ask some questions.
     
    It's been a while since I lived there, but as long as you stay out of the populated area, any place should be fine. I'm strongly considering moving back when I retire.
    Honestly, if I could find a job equal to what I've got now, I'd be outta here tomorrow.
     
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    Are you of native american descent?


    That ruling mostly applies to the five civilized tribes. Still, if you are a member of a federally recognized tribe, in certain areas there are issues with prosecuting you on some state felony charges and frankly, not all of the jurisdictional issues have been worked out. However, the utter chaos that people were worried about, never came to pass.
     
    I’m about 30 miles east of Norman down hwy 9 got 20 acres out here, nobody really messes around with us, only real issue was when we first moved here around 8 yrs ago someone stole our mailbox other than that no issues. I think you would like it as long as you stay out of the crowded cities, I’ve got family in several areas all within about an hr and a half drive from me they are out in the country as well with property. There’s a nice public range south of me about an hr that goes out to a mike and holds monthly prs and 22 matches if your into that.
     
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    Are you of native american descent?

    My family landed in Virginia in 1640.My great great grandfather went to Commifornia in a covered wagon for the gold rush. I reckon that makes me a native American.. but I get your point.

    I think the areas Im looking at wont be much affected by that.

    Apparently they have somewhat the same problem in New Mexico with land grants. Youve got to be really careful if you buy land or some Hispanic can bring up a 200 year old title and youre fucked.
     
    Considering, a move to Oklahoma. Ive about had it with the increasing congestion and changing attitudes here on the yeast coast. Virginia did make some strides in taking back the Bill or Rights, but I fear that is temporary. Ive done a lot of research and think Oklahoma and I might be a good fit. Very conservative (except for Norman) and gun friendly. would like to ask some questions.

    Like any major metropolitan area you'll find pockets of liberals. The two major metropolitan areas of Oklahoma being the greater OKC metro and Tulsa metro are not immune. Transplanted to any North Eastern state or California, I suspect that Norman would be viewed as conservative in comparison.

    In the last few presidential elections, Oklahoma didn't have a single county go Democrat. That's a stat worth considering when Cleveland County contains both Moore and Norman. Oklahoma City covers the entirety of Oklahoma County and portions of Cleveland County.
     
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    I have a buddy in Enid, OK, he moved back about 20 years ago so his kid could get a descent education. Wind Farms everywhere now and it is starting to loose the hometown feel as more people come in. He is out of the tornado corridor which is a good thing, PITA to drive to OK City if you want to fly anywhere.
     
    Apparently they have somewhat the same problem in New Mexico with land grants. Youve got to be really careful if you buy land or some Hispanic can bring up a 200 year old title and youre fucked.

    Not much of a problem here. Oklahoma title laws are clearly delineated and title is relatively easy to search.

    If you are worried about it, the abstract plant's cost ~$400 for an abstract of surface title depending on the county and you'll need to get one done if you plan on running your mortgage through a bank anyways.
     
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    Not much of a problem here. Oklahoma title laws are clearly delineated and title is relatively easy to search.

    If you are worried about it, the abstract plant's cost ~$400 for an abstract of surface title depending on the county and you'll need to get one done if you plan on running your mortgage through a bank anyways.
    Likely be a cash sale, but surface rights seem important. Don't want to wake up on morning and find them drilling in your garden, LOL.
     
    We've been in SW OKC for 9 years (moved here from Portland, OR) and love it. If you have any questions I can help with, ask away.
     
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    Or consider Texas the gun capital of the country, and we sue the atf as a bonus, you would be welcomed.
     
    The mineral estate is the dominant estate. Owning the surface estate without 100% of the mineral estate, won't stop them from drilling on your land. Most abstract companies will provide an abstract of title only for the surface estate.

    Truthfully its not a real concern. An operator will have to negotiate with you regarding surface use if they intend to drill a well on your property. They won't drill within 300 feet of a home, and even if you do end up with a well location on your property, you get to negotiate surface damages and new gates for your property.

    If you are going to do a cash purchase of a substantial size, here are the abstract company fees for the entire state.


    Find the county you are buying in, and price shop here. If when you call, they quote you a different price (they do sometimes), hold them to these rates.
     
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    We've been in SW OKC for 9 years (moved here from Portland, OR) and love it. If you have any questions I can help with, ask away.
    I spent abit of time in Portland around 2006, it was nice then. From the videos Ive seen it looks like its turned to shit. Facing a move at 72 is a bit scary but not as much as staying on the east coast if SHTF.
     
    Considering, a move to Oklahoma. Ive about had it with the increasing congestion and changing attitudes here on the yeast coast. Virginia did make some strides in taking back the Bill or Rights, but I fear that is temporary. Ive done a lot of research and think Oklahoma and I might be a good fit. Very conservative (except for Norman) and gun friendly. would like to ask some questions.

    Hit me up in PM land and I'll give you my number.
     
    Are you of native american descent?


    You would be A_M_A_Z_E_D at the shear number of "white" people that are considered/qualified Native Americans in OK. PLENTY of commercials showing some blonde haired blue eyed princess of the plains exalting her heritage.

    Nothing wrong with it by any means, if they are allowed and qualified let them have the privilege of joining the tribes/nations for which they are entitled.

    Lived in Tulsa for about a year in 2014...no issues to me.....I'd grab a big chunk of land, plant that flag, and grow a family.
    Biggest issue I had with my job was every site visit was at least two hours away from the office, so it was a day's work just getting to the site, working, then heading back to the office.
     
    You would be A_M_A_Z_E_D at the shear number of "white" people that are considered/qualified Native Americans in OK. PLENTY of commercials showing some blonde haired blue eyed princess of the plains exalting her heritage.

    Nothing wrong with it by any means, if they are allowed and qualified let them have the privilege of joining the tribes/nations for which they are entitled.

    Lived in Tulsa for about a year in 2014...no issues to me.....I'd grab a big chunk of land, plant that flag, and grow a family.
    Biggest issue I had with my job was every site visit was at least two hours away from the office, so it was a day's work just getting to the site, working, then heading back to the office.
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    No not at all. I'm simply trying to tell you if you move out there, be prepared. Cause even when you think they aren't part of the nation, they just might be.

     
    No not at all. I'm simply trying to tell you if you move out there, be prepared. Cause even when you think they aren't part of the nation, they just might be.

    I was teasing.

    But thanks for the info. I dont think it would affect me too much. The Native American folks Ive met in Zona and Montana were good folks, though best to leave the alcohol alone. I respect them. I ahve heard with the alcohol/drug problem on the reservations dictates keeping a good eye on yur gear.

    Hmmmmmthe Im kind of tired of east coast princess's, the idea of a long legged, blonde haired , blue eyed, savage, IS intriguing. 🙃 :ROFLMAO:
     
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    Considering, a move to Oklahoma. Ive about had it with the increasing congestion and changing attitudes here on the yeast coast. Virginia did make some strides in taking back the Bill or Rights, but I fear that is temporary. Ive done a lot of research and think Oklahoma and I might be a good fit. Very conservative (except for Norman) and gun friendly. would like to ask some questions.
    BAM! You nailed it.....especially Norman.
     
    I lived in Mustang for a long time and grew up between Tulsa and OKC. I would move back. It’s far from all the cool stuff in the US but the people are great. It’s hot AF in the summer and cold AF in the winter.
    Depends on what you consider cool.

    Where i grew up an exciting Saturday night was sitting on the front porch watching the Milky Way go by and listening to the trees grow. I would like to do some more exploring around the canyons. The Grand Canyon in not to be missed while passing through this earth.
     
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    Recently moved here. I live in Norman, pluses and minuses to that town. Oklahoma is great, though. I’ll PM you my number.
     
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    You would be A_M_A_Z_E_D at the shear number of "white" people that are considered/qualified Native Americans in OK. PLENTY of commercials showing some blonde haired blue eyed princess of the plains exalting her heritage.

    Nothing wrong with it by any means, if they are allowed and qualified let them have the privilege of joining the tribes/nations for which they are entitled.

    Lived in Tulsa for about a year in 2014...no issues to me.....I'd grab a big chunk of land, plant that flag, and grow a family.
    Biggest issue I had with my job was every site visit was at least two hours away from the office, so it was a day's work just getting to the site, working, then heading back to the office.
    The last King of the Lower Creek Nation was William McIntosh, half Scot, half Creek, murdered by the Upper Creeks in Georgia, my Gordon, Scot Line, married Creek girls in OK after the Trail of Tears, white with blue eyes, you bet.
     
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    Thanks to all who have replied. I must admit that at 72 the idea of moving away from my roots for what will likely be my last move, is a bit scary. But after a couple years of consideration it feels like time to go. Ya'll have me feel right at home. Looking forward to it. We'll keep Oklahoma red.

    Go Sooners.


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    I lived in Mustang for a long time and grew up between Tulsa and OKC. I would move back. It’s far from all the cool stuff in the US but the people are great. It’s hot AF in the summer and cold AF in the winter.
    Cool stuff...1600 yard long distance shooting, nhra track, public and private hunting lands, tons of lakes, yea, all the fun shit is somewhere else. Hell, we even have an artillery range in Fort Sill if you can get a guest pass.
     
    You would be A_M_A_Z_E_D at the shear number of "white" people that are considered/qualified Native Americans in OK. PLENTY of commercials showing some blonde haired blue eyed princess of the plains exalting her heritage.

    Nothing wrong with it by any means, if they are allowed and qualified let them have the privilege of joining the tribes/nations for which they are entitled.

    Lived in Tulsa for about a year in 2014...no issues to me.....I'd grab a big chunk of land, plant that flag, and grow a family.
    Biggest issue I had with my job was every site visit was at least two hours away from the office, so it was a day's work just getting to the site, working, then heading back to the office.

    I have two blonde hair and blue-eyed Choctaw daughters. My whole family here is Choctaw except for me. I have Cherokee blood, but my great grandmother never got on the roles after she married my great grandfather here in 1911.

    No problems with the free health care and educational assistance that the tribes get...but it irritates the shit out of me when they take their free handout and then blast the white man. My half brother (Creek with a card) married into more Creeks about 2 hours north of me and his family never has a good thing to say about "whitey"...but damn if they don't accept the white man's assistance in everything they can.
     
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    Very conservative (except for Norman) .
    And dont forget Moore, Edmond and Choctaw. Include The Village and the Paseo district too. OKC and it's surrounding area is a hot bed of political issues but it's primarily stuff like where the next turnpike goes and how we kill people on death row.
     
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    I have two blonde hair and blue-eyed Choctaw daughters. My whole family here is Choctaw except for me. I have Cherokee blood, but my great grandmother never got on the roles after she married my great grandfather here in 1911.

    No problems with the free health care and educational assistance that the tribes get...but it irritates the shit out of me when they take their free handout and then blast the white man. My half brother (Creek with a card) married into more Creeks about 2 hours north of me and his family never has a good thing to say about "whitey"...but damn if they don't accept the white man's assistance in everything they can.
    My wife and daughter are card carrying Choctaw. Blue eyed redheads. We don’t see many benefits from that but they do some funeral assistance and some education assistance and a few things like that.

    If you can round up some death certificates you can probably get yourself on the Cherokee roles. They’ll research it for you. You have to give them the last person that was on them and the docs from your line to you. Probably with looking into. It took us about a year of waiting after we submitted everything. Her dad was on the roles so it was probably easier than what you’d have to do. But it wasn’t a challenge at all. Pretty smooth process.
     
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    My 5th GGM is said to be have been full blood Cherokee, married a trapper and died in 1827 after bearing 13 children, in Northern Indiana. I don't show a drop of Native American DNA but that is the family folklore, none of her children made application to be on the Roll. Many Gordon's are on the Roll's but other branches.
     
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    I’d move to western Ks before I’d move to that red dirt shithole. But I’ve also lived in Kansas my entire life. We’d welcome you.
    That was an interesting reply. Probably alcohol induced. As someone who has managed cattle and lived in both states and currently has operations of my own in both, there isn't a whole lot of difference. Just higher taxes in Kansas......but they do have a lot better roads. Oklahoma is currently working on I35, but they waited to long and don't have the toll road income Kansas does. People in western Oklahoma, western Kansas and Texas Panhandle are about the same. Probably are east of I35 as well.....which is no where I want to be with the exception of the Flinthills and Osage country. If I ever move it will be a smaller town in the middle of no where. Not near Wichita, OKC, Tulsa, etc.
     
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    That was an interesting reply. Probably alcohol induced. As someone who has managed cattle and lived in both states and currently has operations of my own in both, there isn't a whole lot of difference. Just higher taxes in Kansas......but they do have a lot better roads. Oklahoma is currently working on I35, but they waited to long and don't have the toll road income Kansas does. People in western Oklahoma, western Kansas and Texas Panhandle are about the same. Probably are east of I35 as well.....which is no where I want to be with the exception of the Flinthills and Osage country. If I ever move it will be a smaller town in the middle of no where. Not near Wichita, OKC, Tulsa, etc.

    That’s an interesting reply. Probably have never driven off road in Oklahoma. That damn red dirt gets everywhere and is a bitch to remove.
     
    I have two blonde hair and blue-eyed Choctaw daughters. My whole family here is Choctaw except for me. I have Cherokee blood, but my great grandmother never got on the roles after she married my great grandfather here in 1911.

    No problems with the free health care and educational assistance that the tribes get...but it irritates the shit out of me when they take their free handout and then blast the white man. My half brother (Creek with a card) married into more Creeks about 2 hours north of me and his family never has a good thing to say about "whitey"...but damn if they don't accept the white man's assistance in everything they can.

    Most of the enrollment occurred before 1907, so your GGM might be on there as a child. Could be worth checking since checking is fairly easy if you have her maiden name.

    Often, family units were enrolled on the same card, so if you have to broaden your search to just the last or first name, make sure you check the names on whole card even if its not a direct match.


    You can plug in the names here here:
     
    I live North of Stillwater , been here since 78. great area to live in with lots of great places to hunt. There are 6 clubs that shoot NRL22 style matches, 4-5 places that hold center fire matches, 1 FTR Center fire match and 1 FTR rimfire match. All within 2.5 hours drive from Stillwater.
     
    That’s an interesting reply. Probably have never driven off road in Oklahoma. That damn red dirt gets everywhere and is a bitch to remove.
    The red dirt you reference is located in a specific portion of the State that might encompass 25 of the land. Stay away from Seminole, Shawnee, etc and it’s not a problem.
     
    My 5th GGM is said to be have been full blood Cherokee, married a trapper and died in 1827 after bearing 13 children, in Northern Indiana. I don't show a drop of Native American DNA but that is the family folklore, none of her children made application to be on the Role. Many Gordon's are on the Roles but other branches.
    My Greatmother, as it turns out, was half Choctaw, half Irish. When she was young, it was not very cool to be either. She claimed she was Mexican. 3 generations of pseudo Mexicans later, plenty of Latino names and cousins who learned to speak Mexican, Texican and Spanish, a cousin and a brother do the fucking DNA thing. No Mexican...so those who gave a shit about geneology (not me, I was born in Alaska and both of my parents, all of my grandparents were born in the USA. I AM A FUCKING AMERICAN-sans-hyphen (or is it sans-hyphen-AMERICAN) were a bit dissappointed that family word of mouth history just wasn't so. We are from North America with strong indications of American Indian, there are indicators from Scotland, Ireland and Norway. They dug deeper and found the Choctaw connection.

    I happen to love good (and sometimes cheap) whiskey and once enjoyed a fair scrap. I figure it's genetic. That's what I tell everyone. I believe it. You should, too.
     
    Please understand, I'm not knocking the whole family tree/DNA thing. I was just pointing out it's amazing who can really be called Native American with a real history behind the claim.
     
    Please understand, I'm not knocking the whole family tree/DNA thing. I was just pointing out it's amazing who can really be called Native American with a real history behind the claim.
    A lot of people in the area have Indian blood and I think that is to be expected. In many cases the family tried to erase it 3 generations back. In my family this happened around prohibition times. Seems that it was highly frowned up to be an Indian in the Oklahoma/Texas area at the time. It opens a can of worms for sure.
     
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    Hahaha...people can get touchy on the subject of Indian blood for some reason. My M-I-L is 1/4 Chickasaw (not on the roles), and 3/64 Choctaw (on the roles with a CDIB card). She and her brother run around all the time claiming to be "Native American", and it pains me (occasionally...actually it never does) to remind them that they're either 70.5% or 95.5% white. They get very touchy about that when I bring it up.

    My F-I-L is all of 1/8 Choctaw, and he claims to be white. He's an awesome guy who is the embodiment for working hard and living the American dream. I think that this is a more common example in my area.

    I have two half brothers from my dad's first marriage to a 1/4 Creek in Okmulgee. One claims white and is a hard working MF, the other claims "Native American" and drives a forklift when he's not smoking his medication for some sort of pain that he must have had since he was 14.

    Funny thing: A large amount of schools here are made up of a student body where the vast majority is a card carrying Indian...yet half of these schools still carry names like the "Savages", "Braves", and "Warriors". They actually take pride in it here, and I like that. Plus, aside from my M-I-L and her brother, most refer to themselves as "Indian" around here.
     
    My Greatmother, as it turns out, was half Choctaw, half Irish. When she was young, it was not very cool to be either. She claimed she was Mexican. 3 generations of pseudo Mexicans later, plenty of Latino names and cousins who learned to speak Mexican, Texican and Spanish, a cousin and a brother do the fucking DNA thing. No Mexican...so those who gave a shit about geneology (not me, I was born in Alaska and both of my parents, all of my grandparents were born in the USA. I AM A FUCKING AMERICAN-sans-hyphen (or is it sans-hyphen-AMERICAN) were a bit dissappointed that family word of mouth history just wasn't so. We are from North America with strong indications of American Indian, there are indicators from Scotland, Ireland and Norway. They dug deeper and found the Choctaw connection.

    I happen to love good (and sometimes cheap) whiskey and once enjoyed a fair scrap. I figure it's genetic. That's what I tell everyone. I believe it. You should, too.
    My wife is blond with blue eyes, Mayflower 1620 and Spanish Conquistador 1623, Scot, Irish, English, German, and 6% Sonoran Native American, so Mexican. DNA tells all, who do you think you are, love to rub that in the liberals face. I judge people by their Character, could give a fuck about anything else.
     
    My wife is blond with blue eyes, Mayflower 1620 and Spanish Conquistador 1623, Scot, Irish, English, German, and 6% Sonoran Native American, so Mexican. DNA tells all, who do you think you are, love to rub that in the liberals face. I judge people by their Character, could give a fuck about anything else.
    ^^^

    Her family has mine beat by 20 years. We go off the boat in 1640 near Richmond Virginia.
     
    Thanks to all who have replied. I must admit that at 72 the idea of moving away from my roots for what will likely be my last move, is a bit scary. But after a couple years of consideration it feels like time to go. Ya'll have me feel right at home. Looking forward to it. We'll keep Oklahoma red.

    Go Sooners.


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    Oklahoma is attractive because it's affordable, if you grew up around hills or mountains you will go nuts because there aren't any though.

    As for Indian blood my grandpa was born on an arizona reservation but the family always said california.