Is something going on in Ukraine?

[LRRPF52]

What. In the ever loving. Fuck. Did I just watch? If that's their "special operations" capabilities, no wonder they're getting their asses handed to them in Ukraine.

Yeah, let's assault up an OPEN street, with NO COVER. Yeah, that sounds like a great idea...

This looks like the same crap I saw the Army teaching their recruits, before OIF/GWOT. Smh...I remember telling a fellow Marine NCO "They're going to bury half these guys if they go into combat with that training." And at the beginning of the insurgency I was (unfortunately) correct.


@TheGerman has just GOT to see this crap. LOL!

You gotta remember that Russians are primarily conscripts, with very few professionals to run the leadership framework. They have incrementally degraded in capability and training not only since the Soviet Times, but during them, not that they were ever highly technically or tactically competent.

A lot of that is due to the waves of attrition to prime age males from Great War, Russian Civil War, WWII, Krushchev Era, the 1980s, and final official collapse, and general distrust of conscripts.

They don’t even let enlisted work on their fighter aircraft, and use maintenance officers to do the hands-on work. Maintenance really isn’t in their culture.

Circus acts seem to be common tricks and stunts they like to demonstrate with their special military units. Beatings have been a long tradition and major problem in their army. A lot of conscripts are killed each year from internal organ damage from the junior leaders, who see beatings as a way of enforcing discipline and channeling their own personal inferiority/bad lot in life. Several young Russian friends and acquaintances I knew were genuinely worried about just basic conscript service because so many dudes get severely injured or killed.

Beatings have been the norm for centuries in the Russian Army.

“Mom, don’t believe what anyone tells you. They’re bullying me here, exhausting me psychologically and extorting money … I don’t see how I can go on. I’m already very tired. I’m sorry it all turned out like this,” said his last text message to his mother, shown on the local TVK television channel.

Having the Russian word for “cock” carved on his forehead with a razor blade as punishment for smoking an illicit cigarette in his barracks toilet was the last straw for Private Artyom Pakhotin.

Two weeks later, on April 19, 2018, he shot himself dead with an AK-74 during his platoon’s drill training session in the Urals region of Sverdlovsk.

“We receive about 300 phone calls a day — 10% of them reporting hazing incidents — along with 20 emails a day, one or two of which will be about hazing,” Latynin told The Moscow Times, adding that the other complaints are about verbal abuse from officers, inadequate medical treatment and failure of the authorities to issue uniforms.

All able-bodied Russian men are obliged to complete a year of compulsory military service before they turn 27, although thousands manage to avoid it by bribing recruiting officials and doctors. According to official statistics there are 1.9 million Russian army personnel, about 80% of whom are conscripts.

 

[Sako man]

ETA: If this article has already been referenced or linked in this thread, I apologize.

I have been trying to look at the current Ukrainian situation with an open mind from all aspects including U.S. fuckery.
This piece seems to be well put together and constrained by accurate history.

The Architects of Our Present Disaster › American Greatness

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed…

amgreatness.com

Multiple hot links embedded in the above article that have peripheral relations to the topic.

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Great article, however in most cases we were not "exporting democracy" we are injecting it, there is a massive difference. What is not covered in the article is why the US overthrew Libya, and had Gaddafi assassinated. With oil proceeds Gaddafi was purchasing mass amounts of gold, that gold was going to be used to back his plan of a "Gold Dinar," thus a currency backed by solid gold. That currency would threaten the hegemony of the American petrodollar in the region.

The moral of the story being: Don't fuck with the petrodollar, only the maniacs at the WEF and heads of state are allowed to do that.

 

[Redmanss]

So the Chechen fighters are being used differently. Hired guns for one reason or another are hired guns. Saying that Putin has called them in because they are getting their ass kicked is not factual.
It's funny listening to the generals of the past and all the other mouth breathers going on every channel to tell how" Putin's goals" are a failure. Who the Fuck actually knows what his plans are? Definitely not some has been ass kissing general out grubbing for money from CNN.

I really don't care about Ukraine aside from yet another waste of money out of DC, only clarifying contractor usage in OEF/OIF had nothing to do with the battlefield. The vast majority there weren't even armed, as well as they weren't even American because foreign labor is cheap as hell and they exploited the shit out of that. They slopped chow, turned wrenches, hauled trash, other service work. IIRC, it was something like 2% of contractors were actually involved in security, but that's no fun for the news.

 

[LRRPF52]

Here’s a picture of the radio in my friend’s apartment he had in Saint Petersburg. He purposely kept it from the Soviet Times to show people how the information distribution worked. There’s only one knob: Volume

Here’s a pic I took of the Russian history of Finland in WWII on display in the Central Red Army Museum in Moscow:

AN-94:

This is Francis Gary Powers’ Suppressed High Standard .22LR pistol he had when he was shot down in his U-2 over the USSR:

Powers’ U-2:

Captured XM16E1 from Vietnam:

 

[LRRPF52]

Lenin’s tomb:

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Rotary adjustable rear sight??

 

[Mr.BR]

Ok don't get too over your head. . Commies were a quite multi ethnic bunch of Jews they were quite brutal to all of the Soviet peoples.
They like locust tend to go around to better pastures and everywhere they graze they at one point or another start some version of communism.


And like in most countries '' the periphery'' gets sent into the grinder in higher numbers than what they consider core but before that you throw in any useful preferably foreign idiot. Negros for US , Algerians for France, Indians for Britain, Pakistanis for the Sauds ,Turks for Qatar...... Chechens for the Russians some animals are more equal than others

Chechnya 'pacifying' is left to Ramazan the Chechen head honcho, not sure about ethnic cleansing when the Russian minority in Chechniya is the one being disappeared- Kadyirow is also a somewhat volatile ally so there is a bunch of tension in relation to the Kremlin, but when it comes to war Kadyirow tends to fall in line .

I wonder how long that might last if Kremlin's stipend to Chechnia falls short. Much of the Caucasus would one way or another turn into a Taliban-style Islamic emirate or tis ISIS spinoff . So Kadyirow might be preferable, kind a like it's preferable in many Islamic countries to have a dictator over any 'democratic ' choice that is bound to end up with islamists in power.

When it comes to Chechens, most of their force is kind of internal security troops infantry and or miltary police force, they don't roll in on tanks, don't rock artillery, they are used mostly to clear any pockets of resistance left behind the lines.They are generally much better equipped than any other Russian units short of SSO

One of the contingents for Ukraine

 

[Im2bent]

Lenin’s tomb:

Got any pics of Russian hookers? Asking for a friend.

 

[Terry Cross]

Great article, however in most cases we were not "exporting democracy" we are injecting it, there is a massive difference.

Agreed. Key words to me "injecting it".
When we or any other entity manipulate a political and social environment to specifically inject/place hand chosen and groomed figureheads (puppets), it is by definition NOT a democracy.

As within the U.S., once again they are simply trying to give the appearance of a democracy. Trying to soothe the masses into thinking they have a voice and say so about the direction of their country.

.

 

[Bender]

Agreed. Key words to me "injecting it".
When we or any other entity manipulate a political and social environment to specifically inject/place hand chosen and groomed figureheads (puppets), it is by definition NOT a democracy.

As within the U.S., once again they are simply trying to give the appearance of a democracy. Trying to soothe the masses into thinking they have a voice and say so about the direction of their country.

.

*Injection of the pedophile death cult

 

[RGStory]

So the Chechen fighters are being used differently. Hired guns for one reason or another are hired guns. Saying that Putin has called them in because they are getting their ass kicked is not factual.
It's funny listening to the generals of the past and all the other mouth breathers going on every channel to tell how" Putin's goals" are a failure. Who the Fuck actually knows what his plans are? Definitely not some has been ass kissing general out grubbing for money from CNN.

I suppose we could ask some Russians on the ground how things are going.

Maybe someone here can reach out to the 331st Guards Airborne Regiment?
I hear the ~2,000 person regiment was deployed somewhere NW of Kiev last Thursday so they should have a clear picture of how Putin's plans are going from the front line perspective.

 

[Stevo86]

I really don't care about Ukraine aside from yet another waste of money out of DC, only clarifying contractor usage in OEF/OIF had nothing to do with the battlefield. The vast majority there weren't even armed, as well as they weren't even American because foreign labor is cheap as hell and they exploited the shit out of that. They slopped chow, turned wrenches, hauled trash, other service work. IIRC, it was something like 2% of contractors were actually involved in security, but that's no fun for the news.

Brown and Root????

 

[GreenGO Juan]

I suppose we could ask some Russians on the ground how things are going.

Maybe someone here can reach out to the 331st Guards Airborne Regiment?
I hear the ~2,000 person regiment was deployed somewhere NW of Kiev last Thursday so they should have a clear picture of how Putin's plans are going from the front line perspective.

I think you are going to need a voodoo priest or someone who can reach the dead.

 

[7.62willdo]

 

[theLBC]

 

[Redmanss]

Brown and Root????

KBR ran a great chow hall, at least when it wasn’t giving you dysentery.

 

[Thunderkok]

 

[theLBC]

 

[RGStory]

I think you are going to need a voodoo priest or someone who can reach the dead.

On week four?

Is it safe to assume then, they would agree with the assessment that things are not going as well as they had intended.

 

[Darayavaus]

lol. "mom! buy me a new pair of sneakers! I'm going to Ukraine!"

I'm guessing there might be a few less young DNC activists, come next election.

 

[Darayavaus]

From the Saker

"Next, according to Chechen sources, Chechen special operations have entered the Azovstal factory in Mariupol. This is too important a claim to be accepted yet, but there are many indirect reports which seem to confirm the veracity of this claim. If so, then that means that most of the residential areas of Mariupol have now been liberated from the Nazi terrorists of the Azov battalion. If the combat operation inside or near the Azovstal buildings is still going on, well that means that very soon Mariupol will be denazified which, considering that the Nazi forces inside the city were just about the most evil and yet quite combat capable units available to the Ukronazi regime, the final liberation of Mariupol will mean a huge difference for the entire operation."

Day 26 of “Operation Z” in the Ukraine | The Vineyard of the Saker

A bird's eye view of the vineyard

thesaker.is

 

[Darayavaus]

Ok don't get too over your head. . Commies were a quite multi ethnic bunch of Jews they were quite brutal to all of the Soviet peoples.
They like locust tend to go around to better pastures and everywhere they graye they at one point or another start some version of communism.


And like in most countries '' the periphery'' gets sent into the grinder in higher numbers than what they consider core but before that you throw in any useful preferably foreign idiot. Negros for US , Algerians for France, Indians for Britain, Pakistanis for the Sauds ,Turks for Qatar...... Chechens for the Russians some animals are more equal than others

Chechnya 'pacifying' is left to Ramazan the Chechen head honcho, not sure about ethnic cleansing when the Russian minority in Chechniya is the one being disappeared- Kadyirow is also a somewhat volatile ally so there is a bunch of tension in relation to the Kremlin, but when it comes to war Kadyirow tends to fall in line .

I wonder how long that might last if Kremlin's stipend to Chechnia falls short. Much of the Caucasus would one way or another turn into a Taliban-style Islamic emirate or tis ISIS spinoff . So Kadyirow might be preferable, kind a like it's preferable in many Islamic countries to have a dictator over any 'democratic ' choice that is bound to end up with islamists in power.

When it comes to Chechens, most of their force is kind of internal security troops infantry and or miltary police force, they don't roll in on tanks, don't rock artillery, they are used mostly to clear any pockets of resistance left behind the lines.They are generally much better equipped than any other Russian units short of SSO

One of the contingents for Ukraine

Much experience has shown that the only way to keep the Chechens in line is with force. that's what Kadyrov does - because if not, they would be back in Beslan slaughtering kids or blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow, or taking slaves in Dagestan. (yes they do all these things - don't believe the propagandists to the contrary. ) These are the same guys who were carrying out public beheadings for violations of Sharia law and it was treated like public entertainment.

So it's not much of an exaggeration to say that the Chechens are just happy that they can fight someone again without getting in trouble for it.

 

[RGStory]

Next, according to Chechen sources, Chechen special operations have entered the Azovstal factory in Mariupol. This is too important a claim to be accepted yet, but there are many indirect reports which seem to confirm the veracity of this claim. If so, then that means that most of the residential areas of Mariupol have now been liberated...

I've seen similar reports. However, they also noted that the Chechens came into the factory sector along the coastline to the East under naval battery support and not through the residential sector.

Still, it is important as it is a large sector in the city. If they wish to go further, they'll need to cross a river and a lot of open terrain to reach the city center or back track and clear the residential areas to their rear. The residential areas to their rear (East) were still occupied by Ukrainian forces when they took the factory areas.

Whatever happens here will be important to the siege.

 

[Darayavaus]

Also meaning no disrespect to the followers of the Prophet, it's a fair bit different having a two way range in the lands of the sands,
Compared to fighting on a two way range with people that have a fair bit higher IQ, more training and lots of good weapons.

Ukraine is awash in NATO hardware. The whole country was being turned into a military base, and the fact that they had so many units on the border of Donetsk indicates very strongly that they were about to invade it. So, here is the opinion of a guy with embedded sources. He is on the burn list of the swamp, and I'll listen to someone like that over the Marxist media, the neocons, and their internet legions who search out any Wrongthink and attack it.

Larry C. Johnson: 'The Ukrainian Army has been Defeated. What's left is mop-up'

Question 1-- Can you explain to me why you think Russia is winning the war in Ukraine? Larry C. Johnson-- Within the first 24 hours of the Russian military operation in Ukraine, all Ukrainian Ground Radar Intercept capabilities were wiped out. Without those radars, the Ukrainian Air Force lost...

www.unz.com

 

[Darayavaus]

I've seen similar reports. However, they also noted that the Chechens came into the factory sector along the coastline to the East under naval battery support and not through the residential sector.

Still, it is important as it is a large sector in the city. If they wish to go further, they'll need to cross a river and a lot of open terrain to reach the city center or back track and clear the residential areas to their rear. The residential areas to their rear (East) were still occupied by Ukrainian forces when they took the factory areas.

Whatever happens here will be important to the siege.

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yep, and as I stated earlier, the videos of the chechens in action are underwhelming. And as time goes by, the Russian forces appear to be squeamish about engaging in a Ratskreig in Mariupol. One thing that cannot be disputed is that the AFU is using civilians as human shields, and that has slowed down the entire operation.

I know that the AFU hit a Russian patrol boat with javelins earlier today and it had to be towed back to port, so they are not out of supplies yet.

 

[steve podleski]

Much experience has shown that the only way to keep the Chechens in line is with force. that's what Kadyrov does - because if not, they would be back in Beslan slaughtering kids or blowing up apartment buildings in Moscow, or taking slaves in Dagestan. (yes they do all these things - don't believe the propagandists to the contrary. ) These are the same guys who were carrying out public beheadings for violations of Sharia law and it was treated like public entertainment.

So it's not much of an exaggeration to say that the Chechens are just happy that they can fight someone again without getting in trouble for it.

I suspect that there are Chechens jihadists as there are Saudi jihadists, or Egyptian, or Syrian or Iraqui or jihadis from any Moslem country.

I suspect that the Chechens are a little more extreme because they were 'trained' by equally brutal Russian military.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Darayavaus]

I suspect that there are Chechens jihadists as there are Saudi jihadists, or Egyptian, or Syrian or Iraqui or jihadis from any Moslem country.

I suspect that the Chechens are a little more extreme because they were 'trained' by equally brutal Russian military.

Chechens have had a reputation for brutality long before the Russians showed up. In the first meeting between Chechens and a cavalry unit of the Russian empire, the Russians were wiped out. Nobody had to teach them anything.

 

[RGStory]

If true? Supposedly by Speznatz. The announcement of him entering would be enough to put Russian Intel forces on him immediately. It could be a nightmare for Russia to have him running around. It should have been hush hush, announcing his entrance cost him the ultimate price.

Or he's alive and running amuck, you never know with Russian news. Or any news now for that matter. That's where we are at, western news is literally no better than Pravda.

Option 2.

 

[RGStory]

I know that the AFU hit a Russian patrol boat with javelins earlier today and it had to be towed back to port, so they are not out of supplies yet.

I heard that they hit a patrol boat that came to close to shore, but I didn't know that was in Mariupol. I just assumed they got too close to Odessa again and didn't read into it.

Javelins? That's interesting.

 

[Darayavaus]

I heard that they hit a patrol boat that came to close to shore, but I didn't know that was in Mariupol. I just assumed they got too close to Odessa again and didn't read into it.

Javelins? That's interesting.

edit - here's the actual details from the article: "The boat was hit with an ATGM from the coast in the Primorsky district, which is still under the control of Ukrainian armed forces......according to preliminary data, two crew members were injured and the ship was not destroyed, but damaged. It was reportedly towed to Yeysk region for repairs." there's a vid, but it's hard to make out anything other than the AFU crew firing the weapon.

 

[RGStory]

I know that the AFU hit a Russian patrol boat with javelins earlier today and it had to be towed back to port, so they are not out of supplies yet.

Found it.
Not a Javelin, but still it is apparent that they retain anti-armor munitions in the city.

 

[Sako man]

Guessing this is a recent pic looking at the Orthodox Christian image in the upper right. Sniper "Wali" probably armed with a Sako TRG42 with shortened barrel and folding stock.

Can't remember if I posted this one before, but some good hardware here. Not sure how many of these people are still alive?

 

[thejeep]

Ukraine Invites Kyle Rittenhouse To Guard Their Border

KIEV, UKRAINE—As Russian troops increased their threat to Ukraine’s sovereignty and independence, the Ukrainian military showed their tactical prowess by asking Kyle Rittenhouse to come and guard their border with Russia.

babylonbee.com

 

[aprocast]

Guessing this is a recent pic looking at the Orthodox Christian image in the upper right. Sniper "Wali" probably armed with a Sako TRG42 with shortened barrel and folding stock.

View attachment 7833692


Can't remember if I posted this one before, but some good hardware here. Not sure how many of these people are still alive?

JFC he is ready to do sum killin from his crib, mean lookin SOB

 

[GreenGO Juan]

On week four?

Is it safe to assume then, they would agree with the assessment that things are not going as well as they had intended.

I think that is fair.

 

[theLBC]

 

[7.62willdo]

Found it.
Not a Javelin, but still it is apparent that they retain anti-armor munitions in the city.

TOW MISSLE?

 

[abn31c]

Tow missle support group headed to Ukraine...

 

[GreenGO Juan]

TOW MISSLE?

Ukraine builds a Skif

 

[theLBC]

 

[LRRPF52]

Have you checked out that guy’s YouTube channel? Nothing but anti-US, pro-Chinese content.

Here is a list of some of the titles:

Is America and NATO responsible for the Russia Ukraine War?

Who handled Covid better USA or China?

Why American Eileen Gu competes for China

Why the World needs China

The Truth about Michael Pompeo and China

The Real Reason Western Media Lies about China

Working at Alibaba as a foreigner/ Real Talk China (lady with smiling face thumbnail)

Chinese digital Yuan will change the world

How to end the Hong Kong protests


If you don’t have a way of filtering propaganda, you can be mislead any which way someone wants you to.

People talking about high heels and Nazi battalions in this thread have seemed to have never heard of the Holodomor. When I was in Russia, there was a surprising revival of pro-Stalinist propaganda being taught in the schools. Krushchev had revealed to the Soviet peoples what Stalin had done under his demonic and murderous rule, and it shocked them tremendously. The fact that anyone would try to revive the memory of Stalin as some kind of maligned, but really good leader, tells you how far they have fallen.

Vet your sources well before posting threat propaganda.

 

[theLBC]

Have you checked out that guy’s YouTube channel? Nothing but anti-US, pro-Chinese content.

Here is a list of some of the titles:

Is America and NATO responsible for the Russia Ukraine War?

Who handled Covid better USA or China?

Why American Eileen Gu competes for China

Why the World needs China

The Truth about Michael Pompeo and China

The Real Reason Western Media Lies about China

Working at Alibaba as a foreigner/ Real Talk China (lady with smiling face thumbnail)

Chinese digital Yuan will change the world

How to end the Hong Kong protests


If you don’t have a way of filtering propaganda, you can be mislead any which way someone wants you to.

People talking about high heels and Nazi battalions in this thread have seemed to have never heard of the Holodomor. When I was in Russia, there was a surprising revival of pro-Stalinist propaganda being taught in the schools. Krushchev had revealed to the Soviet peoples what Stalin had done under his demonic and murderous rule, and it shocked them tremendously. The fact that anyone would try to revive the memory of Stalin as some kind of maligned, but really good leader, tells you how far they have fallen.

Vet your sources well before posting threat propaganda.

people deserve the right to hear all sides, not just the government's, the liberal media's, or even yours.

is hunter's laptop fake or real?
if it is real, why do you insist i believe the same liars that told me it was russian disinformation?

 

[theLBC]

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Fucking hilarious how times have changed. Debating on ideas and discussion of opposing sides is now terms for censorship. In a matter of weeks we're to believe the government narrative when they have done nothing but blatantly lie for the last six years. They have been for much longer but now if they say that the sky is green and any disagreement you are labeled and censored

 

[LRRPF52]

people deserve the right to hear all sides, not just the government's, the liberal media's, or even yours.

is hunter's laptop fake or real?
if it is real, why do you insist i believe the same liars that told me it was russian disinformation?

I didn’t insist you believe the corporate presstitutes. I don’t click on corporate whore media as a rule and haven’t done so for many years, with some very calculated exceptions.

That’s part of the filter. If you haven’t built a good filter up until now, you will easily be swayed by masters of propaganda.

Learn to recognize their footprints, and research their origins, owners, sponsors, and messaging trends.

That Chicom-sponsored PGA tour faggot who lived in Canada is clearly bought-off.

The “American” he was interviewing in Eastern Ukraine (Centuries of Russian ethnic plants by the Czars and commies) has a very good English accent, but his “L’s” and other characters indicate a high likelihood he’s an L1 Russian speaker.

Actually watching Russia Today (Putin’s SVR disinformation/propaganda front targeting the US audience) was a good way to listen to Russian linguists who learned very plausible English accents. I take it for granted because I have a musical ear, and come from a long line of musicians on both sides of the family. My mother and I can imitate foreign accents well enough to fool people initially if we don’t know much of the language. My dad is a Russian, German, Finnish, and high English speaker. My mom can speak and write at a collegiate level in 7 languages.

I grew up jumping all over from developmental Aerospace research centers, to DLI in Monterrey, to West Germany, all over Europe, and an exchange student in Japan before I enlisted and “traveled” all over the world some more in the Army, before doing even more of that kind of thing since then.

So my filter for BS, propaganda, people’s accents, motives, body language, and regional habits and behaviors is very attenuated. I’ve watched a lot of POCCIA ONE TV while living abroad, in addition to EuroNews and the perspectives of the different dominant nations in that region.

Most people aren’t aware that the Soviets had a head-start on propaganda vs the West with the IOJ, which was run out of Prague. When the CIA tried to counter this with Mockingbird in the late 1940s-1950s, the Russian moles within CIA co-opted it and turned it against us.

US media since then, instead of just being controlled by the legacy kleptocrat monopolistic industrialists, was overtaken by Soviet propaganda to demoralize and misinform the US and the West.

They all have an agenda. You just have to recognize it and know who the authors are of each BS piece they are trying to feed you. All exist together, not one or the other myopia as we are trained to think in school.

 

[Rthur]

Tow missle support group headed to Ukraine...

View attachment 7833846

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[theLBC]

I didn’t insist you believe the corporate presstitutes. I don’t click on corporate whore media as a rule and haven’t done so for many years, with some very calculated exceptions.

That’s part of the filter. If you haven’t built a good filter up until now, you will easily be swayed by masters of propaganda.

Learn to recognize their footprints, and research their origins, owners, sponsors, and messaging trends.

That Chicom-sponsored PGA tour faggot who lived in Canada is clearly bought-off.

The “American” he was interviewing in Eastern Ukraine (Centuries of Russian ethnic plants by the Czars and commies) has a very good English accent, but his “L’s” and other characters indicate a high likelihood he’s an L1 Russian speaker.

Actually watching Russia Today (Putin’s SVR disinformation/propaganda front targeting the US audience) was a good way to listen to Russian linguists who learned very plausible English accents. I take it for granted because I have a musical ear, and come from a long line of musicians on both sides of the family. My mother and I can imitate foreign accents well enough to fool people initially if we don’t know much of the language. My dad is a Russian, German, Finnish, and high English speaker. My mom can speak and write at a collegiate level in 7 languages.

I grew up jumping all over from developmental Aerospace research centers, to DLI in Monterrey, to West Germany, all over Europe, and an exchange student in Japan before I enlisted and “traveled” all over the world some more in the Army, before doing even more of that kind of thing since then.

So my filter for BS, propaganda, people’s accents, motives, body language, and regional habits and behaviors is very attenuated. I’ve watched a lot of POCCIA ONE TV while living abroad, in addition to EuroNews and the perspectives of the different dominant nations in that region.

Most people aren’t aware that the Soviets had a head-start on propaganda vs the West with the IOJ, which was run out of Prague. When the CIA tried to counter this with Mockingbird in the late 1940s-1950s, the Russian moles within CIA co-opted it and turned it against us.

US media since then, instead of just being controlled by the legacy kleptocrat monopolistic industrialists, was overtaken by Soviet propaganda to demoralize and misinform the US and the West.

They all have an agenda. You just have to recognize it and know who the authors are of each BS piece they are trying to feed you. All exist together, not one or the other myopia as we are trained to think in school.

most americans are only exposed to the narratives provided by the liars.
what you advocate (apparently) is to let this happen and let people's opinions be based on the lies from only one side.
sorry, but i cannot agree with you here, even if i believe your heart and data are sound.

 

[10ring'r]

Fucking hilarious how times have changed. Debating on ideas and discussion of opposing sides is now terms for censorship. In a matter of weeks we're to believe the government narrative when they have done nothing but blatantly lie for the last six years. They have been for much longer but now if they say that the sky is green and any disagreement you are labeled and censored

Yep. In a matter of weeks, as you said, we went from open discussion, freedom of speech, to, censorship/communism. But, when this all shakes out, because it will, it will all be burnt down, then the rebuilding will begin. .Gov has/is backed against the wall, too much shit has been exposed, and not all of "We The People", are stupid and/or blind. I think, in the long run, we will win, and these psycho's of the world, will be a non-issue. Have faith. Mac

 

[kortik]

It looks like Poland is seriously thinking about capturing considerable part of western ukraine by military force. From historical prospective, a big part of that area used to belong to Poland, so poles may see an opportunity to get it back... Of course, Poland got to have O.K. from the U.S. And so, Biden will meet them in a couple days. Not sure if he gives his O.K. or not, but ukie situation is getting very serious and extremely dangerous very fast. It also looks like Belarus may get envolved in this situation to counterbalance potential polish move towards western ukraine.