What is this retardation?

TheGerman

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    #1
    So I just ordered something that wasn't cheap from a place that sells rifles/rifle parts that are not cheap.

    On checkout, I see that they want to charge me $15 for 'shipping insurance'. I decline because A, its your fucking responsibility to get the item to me and B. until it gets here, in perfect shape, its not my fucking problem.

    So I check out, pay, and get the receipt email. I look at it for a second, and not once, but TWICE on the receipt does it say in big bold letters:

    DECLINED Insurance - customer assumes all responsibility

    Wait...what? That's not how this shit works. What the fuck do you think this is where you can either try and fleece me for insurance, on something that is YOUR responsibility until it shows up on my doorstep, or then just assume if something did happen to it, that I'm responsible for it? EL O EL and thats before my credit card company LOLs at you too. How is this even a thing?

    I mean shit, why don't I just carry a Sharpie around with me and put random dumb shit like 'Not responsible if I run into your car' on my windshield or 'Not responsible if I grab your giant tits' on my shirt and just go to town on the MILF's at Target? I mean, that should totally put me in the clear right?

    Are people really this fucking dumb?
     
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    It's your option to ensure your property. Once it leaves their facility all the shipper is doing is getting it to you. It isn't very cost effective to totally insure all shipments which is why many let the customer choose.

    By paying the insurance (like car home etc) you are covering your investment till it gets to you. Whether it be through poor handling, an accident on it's way to you or theft it's their way of covering themselves yet trying to "help" the customer. Do I agree with it no, do I always use it..no. Do I use when I give a shit about something I spent my hard earned money on? Hell yes.

    It's a pain if you end up having to make a claim and the auto insure varies by company but just like anything I'd rather have an not need than need an not have.

    In my college days I did the ups fed ex thing so I've seen it first hand. Most guys have bought from me on the Px remark about how I pack things, it's done that way for a reason. The beginning of pet detective isn't that far fetched.

    Good luck
     
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    Aren't purchases on VISA etc. covered or insured by the card company? :unsure:

    Google:

    Amazon A-to-Z Guarantee Lost & Stolen Package Fact sheet. Having your Amazon package lost or stolen is always a nightmare. ... In short, this guarantee covers up to $2,500 of the purchase price on eligible purchases (goods purchased on Amazon.com from an Amazon seller).

    Amazon. USPS lost packages can be more challenging than packages lost by other carriers. ... If your package was shipped and delivered by USPS, but it's missing, you'll need to file a claim regardless. Have the tracking number, proof of insurance, and proof of value handy.Nov 28, 2018

    FedEx allows either the shipper or the receiver to file the claim for a lost package. They say it should be whoever has the interest in the items shipped. ... FedEx coverage extends to lost and damaged packages, but there may not be anything that they can do if the package was successfully delivered and then stolen.

    Cutting For Business, Did you know? The seller is responsible for the package until it reaches the buyer. This means that as a seller, even though the package is out of your hands – you are responsible for it until the tracking states “Delivered” or “Notice Left”. While you may have written policies that differ from this for your own business, in the eyes of the most marketplaces the standard is as mentioned above.

    Not too confusing.........
     
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    Ghogs Nightmare said:
    It's your option to ensure your property. Once it leaves their facility all the shipper is doing is getting it to you. It isn't very cost effective to totally insure all shipments which is why many let the customer choose.

    By paying the insurance (like car home etc) you are covering your investment till it gets to you. Whether it be through poor handling, an accident on it's way to you or theft it's their way of covering themselves yet trying to "help" the customer. Do I agree with it no, do I always use it..no. Do I use when I give a shit about something I spent my hard earned money on? Hell yes.

    It's a pain if you end up having to make a claim and the auto insure varies by company but just like anything I'd rather have an not need than need an not have.

    In my college days I did the ups fed ex thing so I've seen it first hand. Most guys have bought from me on the Px remark about how I pack things, it's done that way for a reason. The beginning of pet detective isn't that far fetched.

    Good luck
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    Until the item is in the possession of the buyer. It is the sellers responsibility. By paying for insurance you are covering the item you sold until the buyer takes possession of it. The buyer can not file an insurance claim on a lost item because it is the sellers responsibility.

    You are paying someone to take it there for you. Not paying someone to take possession of it for the buyer.
     
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    An underhanded way to get more shipping out of you. I can almost guarantee you, if you never receive your goods, and you paid with a CC, the CC company is gonna side with you, and issue a refund. Then they are gonna turn around and take that money right out of the sellers account.
     
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    It started here.

    Broken-Windshield.jpeg
     
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    TheGerman said:
    So I just ordered something that wasn't cheap from a place that sells rifles/rifle parts that are not cheap.

    On checkout, I see that they want to charge me $15 for 'shipping insurance'. I decline because A, its your fucking responsibility to get the item to me and B. until it gets here, in perfect shape, its not my fucking problem.

    So I check out, pay, and get the receipt email. I look at it for a second, and not once, but TWICE on the receipt does it say in big bold letters:

    DECLINED Insurance - customer assumes all responsibility

    Wait...what? That's not how this shit works. What the fuck do you think this is where you can either try and fleece me for insurance, on something that is YOUR responsibility until it shows up on my doorstep, or then just assume if something did happen to it, that I'm responsible for it? EL O EL and thats before my credit card company LOLs at you too. How is this even a thing?

    I mean shit, why don't I just carry a Sharpie around with me and put random dumb shit like 'Not responsible if I run into your car' on my windshield or 'Not responsible if I grab your giant tits' on my shirt and just go to town on the MILF's at Target? I mean, that should totally put me in the clear right?

    Are people really this fucking dumb?
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    Would you like to borrow $15 or “go be poor somewhere else”? ?
     
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    Use Amex and have them fight it out if there is a problem. This is a weasel move by the shipper as they get a discounted freight rate and have a responsibility to get your product to you in the condition it was ordered.
    Also warnings like "buyer responsible" and "parking lot not responsible for damage" are unenforcable contracts and would lose in court.
     
    #38
    THEIS said:
    Hi,

    Question is:

    Even though I'm sure you know the answer to this already:

    1. Did you workout last night? 4x20 mins per cycle high intervals running, rowing, spinner, elliptical. Didn't wear a carrier tho.
    2. Did you kill anything last night? Yes
    3. In Army Jerry Voice...Did you buy 338LM ammo? Technically 'ammo'. But more of an entire 26" 338 MRAD kit, box of 338 brass, boxes of 300g Berger OTM Hybrids, 338 Redding dies, TiN mandrel, AMP case holder, Giraud trimmer die, etc. Good news is I already had a ton of H1000 and magnum primers.

    I blame you.

    Sincerely,
    Theis
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    #42

    Terms and conditions of sale mean fuck all until the item is received and accepted for online and mail order purchases. It specifically states in the law that a package is the sellers resopsiblity until it is received. Why do you think the shipper has to file the insurance claim?​


    The main legislative documents that cover consumer rights are; Consumer Rights Act 2015, Consumer Contracts Regulations (2014) and the Data Protection Act (GDPR) (2018), or for goods and services acquired before 1st October 2015, The Sale of Goods Act (1979) and Supply of Good and Services Act (1982).

     
    #43
    This is all news to me.

    Does FOB Shipping Point/ FOB Destination only apply in B2B transactions or something?

    I was always under the impression that liability could be handled under whatever terms both parties agree to.
     
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    TheGerman said:
    So I just ordered something that wasn't cheap from a place that sells rifles/rifle parts that are not cheap.

    On checkout, I see that they want to charge me $15 for 'shipping insurance'. I decline because A, its your fucking responsibility to get the item to me and B. until it gets here, in perfect shape, its not my fucking problem.

    So I check out, pay, and get the receipt email. I look at it for a second, and not once, but TWICE on the receipt does it say in big bold letters:

    DECLINED Insurance - customer assumes all responsibility

    Wait...what? That's not how this shit works. What the fuck do you think this is where you can either try and fleece me for insurance, on something that is YOUR responsibility until it shows up on my doorstep, or then just assume if something did happen to it, that I'm responsible for it? EL O EL and thats before my credit card company LOLs at you too. How is this even a thing?

    I mean shit, why don't I just carry a Sharpie around with me and put random dumb shit like 'Not responsible if I run into your car' on my windshield or 'Not responsible if I grab your giant tits' on my shirt and just go to town on the MILF's at Target? I mean, that should totally put me in the clear right?

    Are people really this fucking dumb?
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    Poors shop at Target.
     
    #46
    Bigfatcock said:
    Poors shop at Target.
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    Nah.

    Women shop at target.

    Fat women, skinny women, rich and poor. Everyone from supermodels and A-list celebrities to five dollar meth hookers. It's essentially a glorified K-mart, but for whatever reason it's like catnip for the fairer sex.

    Even my four year old daughter loves Target. It's mind blowing.
     
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    vinniedelpino said:
    This is all news to me.

    Does FOB Shipping Point/ FOB Destination only apply in B2B transactions or something?

    I was always under the impression that liability could be handled under whatever terms both parties agree to.
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    I don't know the acronyms you are using. If you are saying people can agree to terms that are against the law, then yes, but then when you go to court....
    Docsherm said:
    Did you two really just restart a two year olf argument?



    I guess the title of this thread is correct.......... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
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    Nope, looks like he quoted my post at 6AM today. (y)
     
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    supercorndogs said:
    Me too. I am not chasing links to answer a question.
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    Hey, I know what you’re asking, so here’s the short layman’s definition:

    “The term FOB is also used in modern domestic shipping within North America to describe the point at which a seller is no longer responsible for shipping costs.”

    So, FOB shipping point vs. FOB destination. It’s a legal designation for shipping within NA. And it holds up in arbitration, per the contract terms that are agreed to by both parties.
     
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