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She needs to work for the Ukrainian government:
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He has since retracted his statement.
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Above- The is a translation of what he said, then retracted after catching flak.

Those missile are not easy targets, They come in on a ballistic arc around Mach 4, a little over 4,000 FPS. That is one hell of a feat.

IDK what happened, but would be pretty fucked up if it a result of western supplied air defense weapons intercepting it. Especially since the media seemed focused on the story.
yep, I see. but the Ministry of Propaganda is going to go after him for treason anyway.

 
Considering that RU had a pact with Nazi Germany they should have gotten worse...
Are you talking about Molotov-Rebentrop non-aggression pact signed in 39?

Here's some other pact signed with Germany in that time:

German–Estonian Non-Aggression Pact
German–Latvian Non-Aggression Pact
German–Polish declaration of non-aggression
German–Romanian Treaty for the Development of Economic Relations between the Two Countries
The Tripartite Pact
German–Danish Non-Aggression Pact
German–Turkish Treaty of Friendship
The Franco-German Declaration
Munich agreement between UK, France, Italy and Germany about dividing Czech

and I can go on and on and on

The point is - nobody was or is saint over there. Different groups have been fighting each other for THOUSANDS of years on and off. Look at the historical maps of Europe - quite fascinating really.

Focusing just on one short episode under commie occupation is just stupid. Plus, I don't think anyone suffered more under commies that Russians. Yes, some of the old people think kindly of USSR, but guess what, some of the people I've met from eastern Europe had the same views. And there's more commies in USA now than in Russia. IMHO

Anyway, that's all I got for today.

ps. I do speak to Russians, Ukrainians and a few other eastern Europeans on regular basis ;)
 
A lot more words to not answer the question
I did say I see the points he makes.... WHICH are all modern issues. But he sure avoids talkin about what communism has done to Eastern Europe and why everything has been shaped the way it has. SO to tell a half truth about why others dont trust Putin's RU is far fetched from reality. Fact is there something called the domino effect. And if you dont speak about the issues at hand to the full extent of reality why speak at all? And DeNazifying really is that even something to take for real? What he should have said is that US bitch Zele needs to be taken out because he is sleeping in bed with the US leadership right now. Oh how it would have been different if Trump had won haha!
The eastern provinces were legally separated from Ukraine. The people are mostly Russian. Who invaded them? Who's been bombing them for years? So you say that Russia doesn't have a reason to protect them?
Does that compare to the US going to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan?
Right now China is looking like they will go into Taiwan. Will it be legit for the US to protect Taiwan?
 
Are you talking about Molotov-Rebentrop non-aggression pact signed in 39?

Here's some other pact signed with Germany in that time:

German–Estonian Non-Aggression Pact
German–Latvian Non-Aggression Pact
German–Polish declaration of non-aggression
German–Romanian Treaty for the Development of Economic Relations between the Two Countries
The Tripartite Pact
German–Danish Non-Aggression Pact
German–Turkish Treaty of Friendship
The Franco-German Declaration
Munich agreement between UK, France, Italy and Germany about dividing Czech

and I can go on and on and on

The point is - nobody was or is saint over there. Different groups have been fighting each other for THOUSANDS of years on and off. Look at the historical maps of Europe - quite fascinating really.

Focusing just on one short episode under commie occupation is just stupid. Plus, I don't think anyone suffered more under commies that Russians. Yes, some of the old people think kindly of USSR, but guess what, some of the people I've met from eastern Europe had the same views. And there's more commies in USA now than in Russia. IMHO

Anyway, that's all I got for today.

ps. I do speak to Russians, Ukrainians and a few other eastern Europeans on regular basis ;)
As far as the USA goes, history is not taught here anymore. Schools beat 2 topics to death, the holocaust and famous minorities/slavery. so kids come out with this clueless patchwork of non sequiturs, but know nothing about the timeline or historical framework of Western civilization, let alone have the capacity to compare and contrast.

Among all the other evils that result from this state of affairs, this majority of people are easily misled. They cannot discern the true from the false. they are told "this" is politically correct, and therefore good true and moral, but "that" is politically incorrect, so it's execrable, racist and evil. So political reliability thereby becomes the standard of right and wrong, just like the architects of bolshevism intended.

And as far as Ukraine, you can forget any hope that the vast majority of Americans with ^^ this knowledge base can see through the lies and deceptions. Most people under 40 couldn't even find Ukraine on a map before last year.
 
Are you talking about Molotov-Rebentrop non-aggression pact signed in 39?

Here's some other pact signed with Germany in that time:

German–Estonian Non-Aggression Pact
German–Latvian Non-Aggression Pact
German–Polish declaration of non-aggression
German–Romanian Treaty for the Development of Economic Relations between the Two Countries
The Tripartite Pact
German–Danish Non-Aggression Pact
German–Turkish Treaty of Friendship
The Franco-German Declaration
Munich agreement between UK, France, Italy and Germany about dividing Czech

and I can go on and on and on

The point is - nobody was or is saint over there. Different groups have been fighting each other for THOUSANDS of years on and off. Look at the historical maps of Europe - quite fascinating really.

Focusing just on one short episode under commie occupation is just stupid. Plus, I don't think anyone suffered more under commies that Russians. Yes, some of the old people think kindly of USSR, but guess what, some of the people I've met from eastern Europe had the same views. And there's more commies in USA now than in Russia. IMHO

Anyway, that's all I got for today.

ps. I do speak to Russians, Ukrainians and a few other eastern Europeans on regular basis ;)
Yes thats the one. Point being people act as if Romanians had a choice on who to side with. SO my statement was to who said that Romania should have gotten worse considering..... And my statement is considering what? The facts that state the RU was in a Pact with Germany? So this was a Nice Try statement to me! I see some dont know the history very well. And why I even started posting in here.
 
A lot more words to not answer the question

The eastern provinces were legally separated from Ukraine. The people are mostly Russian. Who invaded them? Who's been bombing them for years? So you say that Russia doesn't have a reason to protect them?
Does that compare to the US going to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan?
Right now China is looking like they will go into Taiwan. Will it be legit for the US to protect Taiwan?
Are you referring to the parts of UA that started the 2014 war?
 
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A lot more words to not answer the question

The eastern provinces were legally separated from Ukraine. The people are mostly Russian. Who invaded them? Who's been bombing them for years? So you say that Russia doesn't have a reason to protect them?
Does that compare to the US going to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan?
Right now China is looking like they will go into Taiwan. Will it be legit for the US to protect Taiwan?
Seems like Putin even forgot some history. haha! And I'm sayin this from his statement of Feb 2022 all the while being 70+ years old?
 
cannot believe he supports this as he said this would happen with encroachment. doesn't make sense
After RU invaded anything beyond is one side will only win. If RU manages they will install their version of government in UA. IF the US and Allies win they will allow fuckin nato expansion. Talk about a fucked up situation how ever you put it. And one might as how.... Look at Belarus a pro RU Gov. Not sayin its a good thing or bad. And as for Nato look at Sweden and Finland. Both where not gonna join. The invasion broke out and all of a sudden Nato fuckin expands. Biden sure fucked the world up with his bullshit policies! All started with Obama to a degree. The shit show was only a time before is hit the fan.
 
cannot believe he supports this as he said this would happen with encroachment. doesn't make sense
Relationship advice from someone who's over 100, maybe? But geo political earth shaking opinions, no fucking way! I think everyone over 75 should be retired by mandate from politics. People loose their marbles.
 
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PEM was actually so good that theres documented/picture proof of Werhmacht use on K98 snipers

I do not disagree with you. The germans in typical german fashion built fantastic but complex scopes. I am going to pull numbers out of the air for this next story as I don't remember the true numbers, but the general idea is accurate.

After the war when the US was looking at all the captured goodies, they looked at everything. Not just things like jets and rockets, basic down to things like shoes. One of the things they looked at was artillery. On the US 75mm field gun it had a grand total of like 70 parts, where the german 75 had like 170 parts. But it could drop shells .7% more accurate. Was all that exta complication worth it. Decision was no. I remember reading a report from Aberdeen talking about the long 75 like on german panthers, fantastic gun and accurate. However it fell off much faster then the US guns. The US gun could hit the tank, the german could hit the turret, for the first x rounds, then it fell off a cliff, and the hit percentage went way down. This explained the combat experience in europe, with more misses and glancing blows.

All the soviet scopes (again off the top of my head) worked and worked well. The pem was a result of the "partnership" between germany and ussr before the war, remember they are best buds back then, and one of the exchanges of information was in glass, the germans oddly enough got armor lessons.....but the pem was a "basic" copy of a german scope with all the german "way" of doing things. And they are not as wide spread as the PU scopes. The PU is the one that most people think of when WWII soviet scope is said. That short little 4x scope. The longer more fragile pe and pem scopes (basically the same thing) did not stay in wide spread use very long......sure they worked great, but fragile unlike the PU and you could drive over that thing with a tank, bust the stock in half, unscrew the scope and stick it on another rifle. (and yes I know they are a matched set, said that for grins).

What is so over looked is the beginning of that war and who was on who's side. For some reason "we" have decided to forget that the russians attacked poland from the other side and they did not do nice things to the polish people. Ole uncle joe wanted payback for them kicking his ass 20 years before. Kaitlyn anyone, and that is just the "most well known".

Fuck I am wordy.....and remember I am shooting from the hip here, I could have something wrong here or there, but basically it is accurate.
 
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Never said RU was on a path or is on a path to world domination. I stated that history has shaped Eastern Europe to be the way it is because of USSR a communist state, and that some of the older people in RU think is should go back to USSR and take in what it was before. Also if you happen to have read my other posts. Putin sure did not mention anything about why the countries that where part of USSR or satellite countries of the USSR, have bad taste in their mouths due to communism. He only starts his history in half truths. He states that after USSR broke up RU wanted to be part of the global market. That part of the reason all this is starting in UA is because how RU/USSR sat idle while germany did what it did. But sure as hell fails to mention the fuck ups of Lennin/Stalin and how that shaped the world to the fucked up place it is today.

I can't comment on the "older people" in Russia want to go back to the USSR. I highly doubt that. It was not a very great place.

I Remember a story:
ohhhhh, ok class for that little outburst there will be detention after school in the basement (bonus points available if you know where that comes from).....the shit my mind remembers.

Back when Nixon was VP they did a little exchange between the US and USSR, see this is us and see this is them. Khrushchev (the shoe guy, how many things am I going to say that is going to date people or test just what they know, bet some are thinking that was Bush).

Khrushchev came here to see a "typical american house" and while there he got a cup of Pepsi, loved it, and wanted it in the USSR. But how to get it. Russian money is worthless how to pay those vile capitalists, our money is just there till the great communist system takes over after that we don't need money (yea right) So what do they have of value......old military ships, you can sell these off for scrap in exchange for showing us how to make pepsi.

And the deal was done.


Now to circle back again, sorry wordy today. People have said that Putin wants the "USSR" again. I really don't think so. I think he saw ethnic russians getting a very short end of the stick, and decided to go in and help his people. Linked here somewhere, is a Doc I started watching on the Donbas. It was not a good place to be a russian under the Ukraine .gov....not a good place at all any way you slice it. I really think they went in to "stop" that mess, and in seeing just how corrupt Ukraine is, and is in the back pocket of the west (bio labs anyone) that they needed that gone. US bio labs that close to Russian borders, what would we do if China build bio labs in Mexico.....likely fund them, but you know what the answer should be.

Each day I go farther down the path, the more I think we know nothing about what is going on, the old "eastasia is the enemy" thing.

I don't think that the old people in russia want to go back to communist rule, I doubt many 1st gen "young people" do as well. It will only till we get a few gens away that specific seed will start to root again.

I am really thinking our true enemies are not in russia, but as of this reply in switzerland.
 
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An Emergency Services Helo? So all these guys were hitching rides on a Medivac type Chopper? Using a medical service to hide movements...
 
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You know, IMHO as an official old fart (72) I've always thought that we really missed an opportunity when the USSR disbanded in 1991. Reagan got the ball rolling in the right direction and I think he and Gorbachev with his Glasnost policy really did have some visionary views. But sadly, Bush 1 did not reach out and try to engage Russia. Maybe it was his CIA experience?
But I still believe that had we as a country really tried to help Russia through the transition we could have formed some real bonds and could have become real allies. I guess all the Cold War shit was still so embedded in some people's psyche (like the aforementioned Bush 1) it prevented it from happening. And then we got Slick Willie as President and he didn't have a clue about foreign policy except maybe how to import hookers from OK to Arkansas;).
But I digress. Over the years, I've worked and befriended a couple of Russian gents who legally became US citizens. One was a jouneyman sheet metal worker who had made all his own tools as that was part of their apprenticeship training. The other was a mechanical engineer who knew steam systems better than some US Navy nuke guys who I had worked with.
Both these men became US citizens and loved the USA and hated communism.
I really have no clue as to exactly why this war in Ukraine is happening other than NWO and MIC interests are enriching themselves.
I guess I'm just saddened that it and many other past conflicts could have been prevented if we had just reached out a helping hand 30 some years ago.
 
You know, IMHO as an official old fart (72) I've always thought that we really missed an opportunity when the USSR disbanded in 1991. Reagan got the ball rolling in the right direction and I think he and Gorbachev with his Glasnost policy really did have some visionary views. But sadly, Bush 1 did not reach out and try to engage Russia. Maybe it was his CIA experience?
But I still believe that had we as a country really tried to help Russia through the transition we could have formed some real bonds and could have become real allies. I guess all the Cold War shit was still so embedded in some people's psyche (like the aforementioned Bush 1) it prevented it from happening. And then we got Slick Willie as President and he didn't have a clue about foreign policy except maybe how to import hookers from OK to Arkansas;).
But I digress. Over the years, I've worked and befriended a couple of Russian gents who legally became US citizens. One was a jouneyman sheet metal worker who had made all his own tools as that was part of their apprenticeship training. The other was a mechanical engineer who knew steam systems better than some US Navy nuke guys who I had worked with.
Both these men became US citizens and loved the USA and hated communism.
I really have no clue as to exactly why this war in Ukraine is happening other than NWO and MIC interests are enriching themselves.
I guess I'm just saddened that it and many other past conflicts could have been prevented if we had just reached out a helping hand 30 some years ago.
I'm not trying to defend Bush 1 but remember that about that time there was a little party going on called Desert Storm. For not only Bush 1 but everyone else focused their attention on the Middle east.

With that said, I agree with you. We missed a great opportunity to forge a new relationship with Russia. Our NATO allies, in the meantime, don't think very much of us and still want us to provide financial backing for everything from chocolates to missiles.
 
I'm not trying to defend Bush 1 but remember that about that time there was a little party going on called Desert Storm. For not only Bush 1 but everyone else focused their attention on the Middle east.

With that said, I agree with you. We missed a great opportunity to forge a new relationship with Russia. Our NATO allies, in the meantime, don't think very much of us and still want us to provide financial backing for everything from chocolates to missiles.
Good point, yes that dust up with Saddam did rule the news cycle much like the current Ukraine debacle. Meanwhile our border here in Texas is being invaded daily by the cartels.
Always sleight of hand stuff going on to distract attention from the real problem.
Why are we spending billions on Ukraine and not a fricking dime on securing our border? Hmmmm...follow the money?
 
Was all that exta complication worth it. Decision was no. I remember reading a report from Aberdeen talking about the long 75 like on german panthers, fantastic gun and accurate. However it fell off much faster then the US guns. The US gun could hit the tank, the german could hit the turret, for the first x rounds, then it fell off a cliff, and the hit percentage went way down. This explained the combat experience in europe, with more misses and glancing blows.
Look at the German L70 75mm case compared to a US 76mm, like comparing a 308 to 300WM, the US 75mm is pathetically small.
Can't remember the exact number but the US wanted tank guns to last a ridiculous amount of rounds (two thousand?) and hence they were under-gunned.
Didn't help that US ordinance was seemingly happy to sit on their arses and do nothing for most the war in terms of gun development.
Even the M1A2 uses a Rheinmetall gun nowdays, it wouldn't be far off the mark to say the US has never developed a decent tank gun.
 
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I do not disagree with you. The germans in typical german fashion built fantastic but complex scopes. I am going to pull numbers out of the air for this next story as I don't remember the true numbers, but the general idea is accurate.

After the war when the US was looking at all the captured goodies, they looked at everything. Not just things like jets and rockets, basic down to things like shoes. One of the things they looked at was artillery. On the US 75mm field gun it had a grand total of like 70 parts, where the german 75 had like 170 parts. But it could drop shells .7% more accurate. Was all that exta complication worth it. Decision was no. I remember reading a report from Aberdeen talking about the long 75 like on german panthers, fantastic gun and accurate. However it fell off much faster then the US guns. The US gun could hit the tank, the german could hit the turret, for the first x rounds, then it fell off a cliff, and the hit percentage went way down. This explained the combat experience in europe, with more misses and glancing blows.

All the soviet scopes (again off the top of my head) worked and worked well. The pem was a result of the "partnership" between germany and ussr before the war, remember they are best buds back then, and one of the exchanges of information was in glass, the germans oddly enough got armor lessons.....but the pem was a "basic" copy of a german scope with all the german "way" of doing things. And they are not as wide spread as the PU scopes. The PU is the one that most people think of when WWII soviet scope is said. That short little 4x scope. The longer more fragile pe and pem scopes (basically the same thing) did not stay in wide spread use very long......sure they worked great, but fragile unlike the PU and you could drive over that thing with a tank, bust the stock in half, unscrew the scope and stick it on another rifle. (and yes I know they are a matched set, said that for grins).

What is so over looked is the beginning of that war and who was on who's side. For some reason "we" have decided to forget that the russians attacked poland from the other side and they did not do nice things to the polish people. Ole uncle joe wanted payback for them kicking his ass 20 years before. Kaitlyn anyone, and that is just the "most well known".

Fuck I am wordy.....and remember I am shooting from the hip here, I could have something wrong here or there, but basically it is accurate.
The history you shared holds true today. I'm, somewhat, restoring a Ford pickup that is 27 years old. It has a ZF 5 manual transmission designed and built by the Germans. Like the artillery you described, at some point the transmission falls off a cliff. Not like a Spicer or New Process that a shade tree mechanic can rebuild. Some things never change.
 
listen to how he blasts Zelensky.

Ukraine will execute this guy, and he was the #2 person after Zelensky

 
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You know, IMHO as an official old fart (72) I've always thought that we really missed an opportunity when the USSR disbanded in 1991. Reagan got the ball rolling in the right direction and I think he and Gorbachev with his Glasnost policy really did have some visionary views. But sadly, Bush 1 did not reach out and try to engage Russia. Maybe it was his CIA experience?
But I still believe that had we as a country really tried to help Russia through the transition we could have formed some real bonds and could have become real allies. I guess all the Cold War shit was still so embedded in some people's psyche (like the aforementioned Bush 1) it prevented it from happening. And then we got Slick Willie as President and he didn't have a clue about foreign policy except maybe how to import hookers from OK to Arkansas;).
But I digress. Over the years, I've worked and befriended a couple of Russian gents who legally became US citizens. One was a jouneyman sheet metal worker who had made all his own tools as that was part of their apprenticeship training. The other was a mechanical engineer who knew steam systems better than some US Navy nuke guys who I had worked with.
Both these men became US citizens and loved the USA and hated communism.
I really have no clue as to exactly why this war in Ukraine is happening other than NWO and MIC interests are enriching themselves.
I guess I'm just saddened that it and many other past conflicts could have been prevented if we had just reached out a helping hand 30 some years ago.
in the 90's the Bushes and Clitons robbed Russia blind of all it's liquid assets, while Yeltsin drank himself into oblivion with no regard for his own people or their wellbeing. then we continued to use the specter of the USSR to continue to overfund and expand NATO until now, when we are right in their doorstep.

the opportunity we missed was to treat those people with respect.

Funny, FDR sucked Stalin's cock even though he was a mass murderer. But then we treated the ones who survived the USSR and tried to create a more democratic society like a bunch of monsters and pariahs. That goes to show you what the values of our leadership really are.
 
As far as media disinformation, the Ukrainians are taking most Russian videos and dubbing in Ukrainian propaganda and then re-releasing the altered videos to western media.

This is why there are videos floating around that seem to come from Russia and show Russia in a very bad light.

to the average western person with no background, there is no way to discern the validity. so people believe what they see on the news. But Russians can pick these out very easily. Hukinya spayilla. "the hukinya gives it away"
 
Look at the German L70 75mm case compared to a US 76mm, like comparing a 308 to 300WM, the US 75mm is pathetically small.
Can't remember the exact number but the US wanted tank guns to last a ridiculous amount of rounds (two thousand?) and hence they were under-gunned.
Didn't help that US ordinance was seemingly happy to sit on their arses and do nothing for most the war in terms of gun development.
Even the M1A2 uses a Rheinmetall gun nowdays, it wouldn't be far off the mark to say the US has never developed a decent tank gun.

There are lots of reasons the US "sat on its ass". And did not do a lot of things people think they should have done. One real issue was getting it to where the fighting is. Then just like every other time getting the right stuff to the right place. It existed before the war and it worked and was good enough to get the job done, and they knew it I really think. Your right about the stupid number of rounds, I don't remember the number, but when the spare parts come from 3000 miles away you want that stuff to last as long as possible.

Another side I remember reading is during Korea they brought back to the states a T34. This story is in T34 mythical weapon system, and it is "the" book on that tank, and like all things along those lines a bit spendy and total nerd bait.

Anyhoo, the tank stopped running at like 100hrs. Could not get it running again, so they called this russian guy that defected. He said they don't ever run that long. If the tank is still around they screw a new engine in it and off they go. It was the same thing when the idiot Brits gave the soviets the Nene engine, they could copy it but they did not understand it. Same with the TU4, it is a B29 they stole during missions over japan, had real issues with the engines, and I have read where the rudder peddles even say Boeing on them, not sure if that is true, but the planes are the same.

Things like Pershing was left behind, just because keeping it fighting was not worth all the extra headaches that went along with it, but they are there at the invasion.

Same with the british 6pounder, and some of the types of ammo for that thing, very interesting all around that

sorry for the side track.
 
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There are lots of reasons the US "sat on its ass". And did not do a lot of things people think they should have done. One real issue was getting it to where the fighting is. Then just like every other time getting the right stuff to the right place. It existed before the war and it worked and was good enough to get the job done, and they knew it I really think. Your right about the stupid number of rounds, I don't remember the number, but when the spare parts come from 3000 miles away you want that stuff to last as long as possible.

Another side I remember reading is during Korea they brought back to the states a T34. This story is in T34 mythical weapon system, and it is "the" book on that tank, and like all things along those lines a bit spendy and total nerd bait.

Anyhoo, the tank stopped running at like 100hrs. Could not get it running again, so they called this russian guy that defected. He said they don't ever run that long. If the tank is still around they screw a new engine in it and off they go. It was the same thing when the idiot Brits gave the soviets the Nene engine, they could copy it but they did not understand it. Same with the TU4, it is a B29 they stole during missions over japan, had real issues with the engines, and I have read where the rudder peddles even say Boeing on them, not sure if that is true, but the planes are the same.

Things like Pershing was left behind, just because keeping it fighting was not worth all the extra headaches that went along with it, but they are there at the invasion.

Same with the british 6pounder, and some of the types of ammo for that thing, very interesting all around that

sorry for the side track.
Radar gun sight reverse engineered from a crashed F-86

First IR A2A missile was a direct copy of a Sidewinder that logged in I believe a Mig-17 that did not detonate.

Tu-144 was literally designed off stolen Concord plans.

Their shuttle, braun, was rip off of US shuttle program they acquired through NASA.
 
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Y'all need to have your eyes opened. 100 years of propaganda machine feeding the Nazi/Commie hate can't go to waste. Someone, in this very thread, stated that he doesn't give a damn about the reasons. He hates commies no matter what. That's what I was brought up to believe he said. There never was an opportunity to be allies with Russia. They are the convenience of having a boogie man whenever needed.
I find it funny that people in this thread will say Russia wants to get the union back together and then the same people say Russia is a joke with the GDP of Texas.
How convenient it's been for our government to sell spending bills because Russia Russia Russia.
Nazis, commies and muzzies=$$$$$$$
 
Speaking of propaganda.

Go watch the movie Dragon Seeds or 30 seconds over Toyko?

They portray the Chinese as our brethren, and the Japs as evil... this was before the Chinese revolution that basically pushed the US backed government out.

Now the Chinese are evil commies.

My my... when the imperialist dont get their way how the narrative changes.

The Japs went from being the enemy to the alli.

Russia who was our ally was suddenly sold as the enemy...
 
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ok, soo tired of hearing this disinformation at the beginning of an article. Irritates me as bad as hearing how the AR in AR15 stands for automatic rifle.
News keeps saying the M1 Abrams can only burn J8 fuel in its Turbine..

"M-1 is meant to burn jet fuel, and not very efficiently. That can complicate the logistics of any army that operates the type"​
^^fk this is stupid statement. The turbine DECREASES the logistics since it BURNS damn near ANYTHING.​

What I've read is - The turbine is a work of art; it's meant to burn ANYTHING, gas, diesel, j8, kerosene, 1st Sgt's coffee if it's black enough.
"The turbine engine works with a range of fuels, including ordinary gasoline, diesel fuel and jet fuel."
The author at the very bottom, finally contradicts his first statements with​
"The M-1’s Honeywell gas turbine in theory can burn any fuel that’s thin enough to move through its lines. The U.S. Army sticks with JP-8, but another army could top off its M-1s with diesel, motor gasoline, kerosene, moonshine, whatever.​
It’s unclear whether changing the fuel alters the tank’s performance. The Australian army fuels its M-1s with diesel and hasn’t reported any performance issues."​
fuck the 'in theory" - they proved it, so, it's not a theory.
what's great about the turbine
"The first was the turbine's unmatched acceleration. Turbine's light weight and torque feature gave the tank high mobility.​
The second was the turbine's stealth feature. The rotating and continuous combustion feature significantly decreases large noises, vibrations and conspicuous exhaust gases characteristic to diesels. So that M1 Abrams is nicknamed as "Whispering Death". Turbine's clean exhaust and low noise also gave much more comfortable environment to soldiers while marching with the tank. Turbine's unseen exhausts were also reassuring in battle fields."​
 
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Y'all need to have your eyes opened. 100 years of propaganda machine feeding the Nazi/Commie hate can't go to waste. Someone, in this very thread, stated that he doesn't give a damn about the reasons. He hates commies no matter what. That's what I was brought up to believe he said. There never was an opportunity to be allies with Russia. They are the convenience of having a boogie man whenever needed.
I find it funny that people in this thread will say Russia wants to get the union back together and then the same people say Russia is a joke with the GDP of Texas.
How convenient it's been for our government to sell spending bills because Russia Russia Russia.
Nazis, commies and muzzies=$$$$$$$
Go to Europe and talk to the people that lived it once again. Then you will see why some still think like that. I agree with the post in here that stated that there was a chance for Bill Clinton to make friends with Russia. And that we should have attempted to do so. But some of the older people have a hard time with that. Have you ever been to Eastern Europe/ Ex Commie satellite countries of the USSR? To speak to the people there? And the young ones that feed off the old stories do not do too much reading into history which does not help the issue of ol wife tales and the USSR. Hell there are interviews on YT that are interviewing RU's of all ages. And in said video you see the mix of people that would want the USSR back. As some in Eastern Europe even say. These points are why I'm asking if you have been to EE and spoken to people that live there to hear or see their mindsets and stories of the past.

Just some different views to take into consideration. Oh and its called money laundering. Its why the bullshit going on with all this funding sure as hell pisses me off.
 
ok, soo tired of hearing this disinformation at the beginning of an article. Irritates me as bad as hearing how the AR in AR15 stands for automatic rifle.
News keeps saying the M1 Abrams can only burn J8 fuel in its Turbine..

"M-1 is meant to burn jet fuel, and not very efficiently. That can complicate the logistics of any army that operates the type"​
^^fk this is stupid statement. The turbine DECREASES the logistics since it BURNS damn near ANYTHING.​

What I've read is - The turbine is a work of art; it's meant to burn ANYTHING, gas, diesel, j8, kerosene, 1st Sgt's coffee if it's black enough.
"The turbine engine works with a range of fuels, including ordinary gasoline, diesel fuel and jet fuel."
The author at the very bottom, finally contradicts his first statements with​
"The M-1’s Honeywell gas turbine in theory can burn any fuel that’s thin enough to move through its lines. The U.S. Army sticks with JP-8, but another army could top off its M-1s with diesel, motor gasoline, kerosene, moonshine, whatever.​
It’s unclear whether changing the fuel alters the tank’s performance. The Australian army fuels its M-1s with diesel and hasn’t reported any performance issues."​
fuck the 'in theory" - they proved it, so, it's not a theory.
what's great about the turbine
"The first was the turbine's unmatched acceleration. Turbine's light weight and torque feature gave the tank high mobility.​
The second was the turbine's stealth feature. The rotating and continuous combustion feature significantly decreases large noises, vibrations and conspicuous exhaust gases characteristic to diesels. So that M1 Abrams is nicknamed as "Whispering Death". Turbine's clean exhaust and low noise also gave much more comfortable environment to soldiers while marching with the tank. Turbine's unseen exhausts were also reassuring in battle fields."​
Interesting. Now I need to do some research for myself. Thanks for the post. ;)
 
There are lots of reasons the US "sat on its ass". And did not do a lot of things people think they should have done. One real issue was getting it to where the fighting is. Then just like every other time getting the right stuff to the right place. It existed before the war and it worked and was good enough to get the job done, and they knew it I really think. Your right about the stupid number of rounds, I don't remember the number, but when the spare parts come from 3000 miles away you want that stuff to last as long as possible.

Another side I remember reading is during Korea they brought back to the states a T34. This story is in T34 mythical weapon system, and it is "the" book on that tank, and like all things along those lines a bit spendy and total nerd bait.

Anyhoo, the tank stopped running at like 100hrs. Could not get it running again, so they called this russian guy that defected. He said they don't ever run that long. If the tank is still around they screw a new engine in it and off they go. It was the same thing when the idiot Brits gave the soviets the Nene engine, they could copy it but they did not understand it. Same with the TU4, it is a B29 they stole during missions over japan, had real issues with the engines, and I have read where the rudder peddles even say Boeing on them, not sure if that is true, but the planes are the same.

Things like Pershing was left behind, just because keeping it fighting was not worth all the extra headaches that went along with it, but they are there at the invasion.
Not the US, US ordinance. US industry could pivot on a dime and mass produce pretty much anything but the folk in charge of gun development did fuck all during the war, to be fair though it took them from the early twenties till 1940 to think about, make and standardise the 37mm gun and the legwork for 75mm gun was done by the French in 1897.

I seriously doubt a T34 lasting 100hrs of run time is anywhere near average, maybe 10-20 hours. As a newer design the British Chieftain's engine was designed to last for two hours in combat at maximum power. Tank reliability is a bit different to what most people imagine.
 
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Go to Europe and talk to the people that lived it once again. Then you will see why some still think like that. I agree with the post in here that stated that there was a chance for Bill Clinton to make friends with Russia. And that we should have attempted to do so. But some of the older people have a hard time with that. Have you ever been to Eastern Europe/ Ex Commie satellite countries of the USSR? To speak to the people there? And the young ones that feed off the old stories do not do too much reading into history which does not help the issue of ol wife tales and the USSR. Hell there are interviews on YT that are interviewing RU's of all ages. And in said video you see the mix of people that would want the USSR back. As some in Eastern Europe even say. These points are why I'm asking if you have been to EE and spoken to people that live there to hear or see their mindsets and stories of the past.

Just some different views to take into consideration. Oh and its called money laundering. Its why the bullshit going on with all this funding sure as hell pisses me off.
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Y'all need to have your eyes opened. 100 years of propaganda machine feeding the Nazi/Commie hate can't go to waste. Someone, in this very thread, stated that he doesn't give a damn about the reasons. He hates commies no matter what. That's what I was brought up to believe he said. There never was an opportunity to be allies with Russia. They are the convenience of having a boogie man whenever needed.
I find it funny that people in this thread will say Russia wants to get the union back together and then the same people say Russia is a joke with the GDP of Texas.
How convenient it's been for our government to sell spending bills because Russia Russia Russia.
Nazis, commies and muzzies=$$$$$$$

Very good point, but it all flows back to just what words mean. They don't mean the same thing they did 30 years ago. A Nazi was a very different "thing" back then vs now.

I would hazard to guess most of the people that use that word have no clue what it really means. I generally think of the old cow joke, that is not quite a joke.

 
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Speaking of propaganda.

Go watch the movie Dragon Seeds or 30 seconds over Toyko?

They portray the Chinese as our brethren, and the Japs as evil... this was before the Chinese revolution that basically pushed the US backed government out.

Now the Chinese are evil commies.

My my... when the imperialist dont get their way how the narrative changes.

The Japs went from being the enemy to the alli.

Russia who was our ally was suddenly sold as the enemy...

True also, this is why understanding history is key to understanding the world.......a while ago. Currently this "old way" of thinking is being pushed aside by some guy in the swiss alps, .gov types with power, no these guys with the hot and cold running whores are to run the world, it will be better this way because of all the reasons you state.
 
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