Zero Compromise Optic 2023 ZC527 MPCT2X and 10 MIL Turrets

[Feniks Technologies]

Would you consider having someone like Frank Galli or Ilya Koshkin design a reticle for you?

I don’t work for ZCO.

But Frank, myself, and many others (not koshkin though) regularly contribute to new or updated reticles.

Unfortunately if you’re not seeing any updates or new reticles you like, that likely means you’re in the minority of requests. If that changes, so will the design.

 

[CSTactical]

I don’t work for ZCO.

But Frank, myself, and many others (not koshkin though) regularly contribute to new or updated reticles.

Unfortunately if you’re not seeing any updates or new reticles you like, that likely means you’re in the minority of requests. If that changes, so will the design.

Not tooting our horns but we contribute regularly on all ZCO products and future products as we get a ton of feedback from our customers, potential customers and competitors. Heck I talk to Jeff more than I talk to pretty much anyone else I know personally on the phone. -Richard

 

[Feniks Technologies]

Not tooting our horns but we contribute regularly on all ZCO products and future products as we get a ton of feedback from our customers, potential customers and competitors. Heck I talk to Jeff more than I talk to pretty much anyone else I know personally on the phone. -Richard

You guys definitely do.

Was just making sure the poster realized that many, many people are consulted on reticles and features.

ZCO is always listening and asking. Even if it’s not via forums.

 

[CSTactical]

You guys definitely do.

Was just making sure the poster realized that many, many people are consulted on reticles and features.

ZCO is always listening and asking. Even if it’s not via forums.

 

[carbonbased]

ZCO is always listening and asking. Even if it’s not via forums.

In that spirit, here is some reticle feedback. Note that I do not yet own a ZCO because of the reticle selection.

Here’s the issue, illustrated:

I like the MPCT-3x. but consider:

• Adding 3 mil wind holds like the Mil-XT, or at least 2 mil wind holds like most Vortex tree reticles
  • Small varmint calibers like extended wind holds, and Mil-XT/razor rets are popular in PRS, no?
• Limit the tree below 4 or 5 mils
  • Do many people use trees down past 5 mills? I would think that’s prime dialing territory, and loooong ret trees in general make it hard to see small game (pdogs) when zoomed out a bit

Almost like a mini-Gr2id s&b reticle (which is itself neat but too all-encompassing, too massive).

I’m not a comp/mil shooter, I’m a small varmint guy.

What works for me in the MPCT-3X:

• Non-obscuring circles; I think they would work nicely on small game
• Ret is thick enough to see at 18x-20x, which is prime all-day varmint magnification for me
• Top of vertical stadia doesn’t continue to top; easier to use scope for seeing game
• It doesn't have so many damn numbers everywhere like some rets do (again, too many numbers obscure game)

There’s other feedback, but that’s the big points.

 

[littlepod]

In that spirit, here is some reticle feedback. Note that I do not yet own a ZCO because of the reticle selection.

Here’s the issue, illustrated:

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I like the MPCT-3x. but consider:

• Adding 3 mil wind holds like the Mil-XT, or at least 2 mil wind holds like most Vortex tree reticles
  • Small varmint calibers like extended wind holds, and Mil-XT/razor rets are popular in PRS, no?
• Limit the tree below 4 or 5 mils
  • Do many people use trees down past 5 mills? I would think that’s prime dialing territory, and loooong ret trees in general make it hard to see small game (pdogs) when zoomed out a bit

Almost like a mini-Gr2id s&b reticle (which is itself neat but too all-encompassing, too massive).

I’m not a comp/mil shooter, I’m a small varmint guy.

What works for me:

• Non-obscuring circles; I think they would work nicely on small game
• Ret is thick enough to see at 18x-20x, which is prime all-day varmint magnification for me
• Top of vertical stadia doesn’t continue to top; easier to use scope for seeing game
• Not so many damn numbers everywhere (again, too many numbers obscure game)

There’s other feedback, but that’s the big points.

Very interesting feedback from the perspective of a hunter / varmint person. On the comp side it's so much different. I frequently am at stages where I have to hold off 7-8mils. Switching from close targets to far targets in a stage frequently.

The wind holds, I generally am dialing far targets if I'm holding major wind. So I haven't had issues with wanting more mil on the tree.

At the same time, the #'s on the tree are super helpful for not getting lost on the longer hold overs. I love the #4 and #8 on the tree, so when I'm holding the 5-7 mils I am able to do it quickly.

 

[carbonbased]

Very interesting feedback from the perspective of a hunter / varmint person. On the comp side it's so much different. I frequently am at stages where I have to hold off 7-8mils. Switching from close targets to far targets in a stage frequently.

The wind holds, I generally am dialing far targets if I'm holding major wind. So I haven't had issues with wanting more mil on the tree.

At the same time, the #'s on the tree are super helpful for not getting lost on the longer hold overs. I love the #4 and #8 on the tree, so when I'm holding the 5-7 mils I am able to do it quickly.

This is interesting! So some comp guys DO use massive elevation holds. And you dial for wind?? Huh. I’m a hold off guy for wind/elev, as those little buggers don’t often sit still.

As mentioned, I do like numbers on the tree as ZCO implemented it, just not each and every subtension like on some other brands.

I’m always confused when high-end scopes don’t have more wind holds up higher on the tree, however. You’d think they would follow the Vortex/NF lead. Seems like very little downside.

This problem is bigger than the “too-much-tree” issue, and is what keeps me from buying quite a few scopes.

Maybe I’ll try dialing for elevation next summer, which would open my scope world a bit.

That Gr2id reticle, on the other hand, Jesus. Talk about overdoing it. Although it’s better than Horus…

 

[littlepod]

This is interesting! So some comp guys DO use massive elevation holds. And you dial for wind?? Huh. I’m a hold off guy for wind/elev, as those little buggers don’t often sit still.

As mentioned, I do like numbers on the tree as ZCO implemented it, just not each and every subtension like on some other brands.

I’m always confused when high-end scopes don’t have more wind holds up higher on the tree, however. You’d think they would follow the Vortex/NF lead. Seems like very little downside.

This problem is bigger than the “too-much-tree” issue, and is what keeps me from buying quite a few scopes.

Maybe I’ll try dialing for elevation next summer, which would open my scope world a bit.

That Gr2id reticle, on the other hand, Jesus. Talk about overdoing it. Although it’s better than Horus…

A lot of times for long distances, small targets, I'll dial elevation and hold wind off the main reticle.

If I was only holding 1-2mils of elevation, the wind isn't very substantial. 6mph gun, 1mil is like 300 yards, and 2mils is ~450 yards. For me to have more than 1 mil of wind at 300 yards, I mean that's 20+mph full value wind.

 

[carbonbased]

For me to have more than 1 mil of wind at 300 yards, I mean that's 20+mph full value wind.

Welcome to every day in North Dakota! Lol

 

[littlepod]

Welcome to every day in North Dakota! Lol

Then I'd just dial my elevation

 

[Gil P.]

I don’t work for ZCO.

But Frank, myself, and many others (not koshkin though) regularly contribute to new or updated reticles.

Unfortunately if you’re not seeing any updates or new reticles you like, that likely means you’re in the minority of requests. If that changes, so will the design.

Of the new reticles, I'm liking the fml-tr1 and ZF MRi. The issue is that I don't feel compelled to buy a March or Zeiss. ZCO's mpct3x is in my opinion, the best that ZCO offers.

 

[Burdy]

I checked out the 5-27 with this new reticle today and I'll be honest, it's one of the best executed reticles I've ever seen. I love it. Sure wish they made lighter scopes that fit my use cases a bit better.

 

[CSTactical]

@rydah needs to come in and tell us how ZCO is going for the title of best feeling turrets…

 

[Feniks Technologies]

This is interesting! So some comp guys DO use massive elevation holds. And you dial for wind?? Huh. I’m a hold off guy for wind/elev, as those little buggers don’t often sit still.

As mentioned, I do like numbers on the tree as ZCO implemented it, just not each and every subtension like on some other brands.

I’m always confused when high-end scopes don’t have more wind holds up higher on the tree, however. You’d think they would follow the Vortex/NF lead. Seems like very little downside.

This problem is bigger than the “too-much-tree” issue, and is what keeps me from buying quite a few scopes.

Maybe I’ll try dialing for elevation next summer, which would open my scope world a bit.

That Gr2id reticle, on the other hand, Jesus. Talk about overdoing it. Although it’s better than Horus…

I personally dial for everything I can.

The only way I wouldn’t is if wind was doing weird shit like going from almost no wind to big gusts. Or if constantly switching directions.

But on “normal” days, I dial wind as well.

Even if it’s say normally 10mph and gusts to 30mph.

I’ll dial the 10 out and then either dial or hold in the moment based on the amount of time and the situation.

 

[CSTactical]

Send your information to [email protected] if you want to be on the list for the 10 Mil NLE turret and/or the MPCT2X

 

[rydah]

@rydah needs to come in and tell us how ZCO is going for the title of best feeling turrets…

They’ve finally done it.

Tangent had the new 7-35 there and I was playing with a friends tangent a few days before and another a few days after. Tangent had the best turrets on the market for years. Nothing was as stiff, deliberate and positive. You didn’t need to look if you had a couple tenths to dial because they were so clicky and positive.

Well here comes the new zcomp 10 mil turret. The spacing is excellent. They are even stiffer, more deliberate and positive than the tangent turret. They go from zero play and travel to snapping into the next adjustment. Just perfect.

Based on the tangent turrets at shot I’d say the zcomp turret is about 15-20% better. It’s really that nice.

New reticle is very clean and uniform too.

 

[TheOE800]

Those are fighting words.

 

[kriller134]

So do we have pricing?

 

[Nik H]

They’ve finally done it.

Tangent had the new 7-35 there and I was playing with a friends tangent a few days before and another a few days after. Tangent had the best turrets on the market for years. Nothing was as stiff, deliberate and positive. You didn’t need to look if you had a couple tenths to dial because they were so clicky and positive.

Well here comes the new zcomp 10 mil turret. The spacing is excellent. They are even stiffer, more deliberate and positive than the tangent turret. They go from zero play and travel to snapping into the next adjustment. Just perfect.

Based on the tangent turrets at shot I’d say the zcomp turret is about 15-20% better. It’s really that nice.

New reticle is very clean and uniform too.

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Legibility of the turret is also best in class

 

[littlepod]

Do people really need help adding 10? I would get rid of the 10, 20, etc and do more with that space.... make the numbers/hashes larger.

 

[TheOE800]

Legibility of the turret is also best in class

Tell me you’re a boomer without telling me.

 

[Nik H]

Tell me you’re a boomer without telling me.

Doesn't change the fact that turret marking is something the Canucks should learn about. My old S&B has better marked turrets

 

[TheOE800]

Doesn't change the fact that turret marking is something the Canucks should learn about. My old S&B has better marked turrets

Don’t need no markings on a Theta they’re so good

 

[Nik H]

Don’t need no markings on a Theta they’re so good

I didn't see much evidence of that when looking at yours

 

[TheOE800]

I didn't see much evidence of that when looking at yours

Well you turn turrets with your fingers and not your eyeballs so there’s that.

 

[HotrRod308]

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Do people really need help adding 10? I would get rid of the 10, 20, etc and do more with that space.... make the numbers/hashes larger.

100% agree.. Us gray bearded dudes need those big numbers!

 

[CSTactical]

100% agree.. Us gray bearded dudes need those big numbers!

The production 10 Mil scopes will have bigger numbers

 

[carbonbased]

Well you turn turrets with your fingers and not your eyeballs so there’s that.

I use something else

 

[HotrRod308]

The production 10 Mil scopes will have bigger numbers

I'm in when that happens. If the turrets are as good as the Tangent and more readable, that's a win.

 

[Gil P.]

@CSTactical when will the 10 mil scope be available with the MPCT3X?

 

[CSTactical]

@CSTactical when will the 10 mil scope be available with the MPCT3X?

TBD, we will update this thread as we find out.

 

[Drivetacks]

what rings do you recommend for the ZC420?

 

[CSTactical]

what rings do you recommend for the ZC420?

It all depends on the setup Please give me a call at 916-670-1103x2 and I can find the correct fit for you. - Richard

 

[Gil P.]

TBD, we will update this thread as we find out.

Will you be posting any through the reticle pictures of the MPCT2X?

 

[CSTactical]

Will you be posting any through the reticle pictures of the MPCT2X?

Eventually, but the reticles are not even made yet much less shipping to us.

 

[CSTactical]

Bump for those that missed it earlier

 

[Glassaholic]

When will the 10 mil turrets be available in the 4-20?

 

[CSTactical]

When will the 10 mil turrets be available in the 4-20?

Right now the 10 Mil NLE is only for the ZC527 since it's the main scope used for PRS/NRL type competition that it was mainly designed for.
The ZC420 being used on LE, Hunting, General Purpose rifles typically prefer the shorter turret and that it's locking.
They also need to get caught up on production as supply chain issues plague not only ZCO but other high end optic vendors.

 

[Taylorbok]

10 mil turrets was my main hold up on a ZCO, now I pretty much have to get one.

 

[CSTactical]

10 mil turrets was my main hold up on a ZCO, now I pretty much have to get one.

PM me your information and I'll get you in line

 

[Glassaholic]

The ZC420 being used on LE, Hunting, General Purpose rifles typically prefer the shorter turret and that it's locking.

Shorter turret? Ah yes, going back to the image I didn't quite see that it's taller, but it's still low profile (haven't you seen a TT turret ) and would be nice on the 4-20.

 

[CSTactical]

Shorter turret? Ah yes, going back to the image I didn't quite see that it's taller, but it's still low profile (haven't you seen a TT turret ) and would be nice on the 4-20.

Oh I'd love the option eventually, but I still have 70 people waiting on ZC840's...

And I have a TT525P next to me waiting to get Cerakoted in AI Dark Earth like Jake's old ZCO we did.

 

[Glassaholic]

Oh I'd love the option eventually, but I still have 70 people waiting on ZC840's...

And I have a TT525P next to me waiting to get Cerakoted in AI Dark Earth like Jake's old ZCO we did.

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I could punch @MOUNTIC for selling that scope, man that was nice!!! The tanodized TT is cool, but a Cerakoted TT would be even better

 

[Secant]

Everyone's a critic, but I'd love to see 10 mil/rev NLE turrets with only the first rev numerical references on the circumference of the turret, and the second rev references on the top of the turret. Shorten it down to the "normal" turret height (or maybe slightly shorter). Have the numbers for the first rev even larger than the normal turret. This is in reference to a 4-20.

For now, I'll kick rocks and be happy with the ZComps that I have

 

[MOUNTIC]

Oh I'd love the option eventually, but I still have 70 people waiting on ZC840's...

And I have a TT525P next to me waiting to get Cerakoted in AI Dark Earth like Jake's old ZCO we did.

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I'm still trying to buy that gun back.... I get so sad every time you post that photo.

 

[CSTactical]

I'm still trying to buy that gun back.... I get so sad every time you post that photo.

 

[CSTactical]

And here's @Squibbler 's ZC840

 

[Dave62677]

After received my 40x and few hundreds round on steel, I no longer in love of my Steiner M5xi. Every scope look so blue on white except the zco. I will have the Razor G3 coming in 3 months from Scott. I hope it will hold up with the zco

 

[CSTactical]

After received my 40x and few hundreds round on steel, I no longer in love of my Steiner M5xi. Every scope look so blue on white except the zco. I will have the Razor G3 coming in 3 months from Scott. I hope it will hold up with the zco

Your expectations for the G3 is really high, if you look at it as the best scope optically under $3k in its class you will be happier.

 

[TheOE800]

Your expectations for the G3 is really high, if you look at it as the best scope optically under $3k in its class you will be happier.

To summarize the Vortex: It's 95% of the way there for over a thousand+ less, but comes in a color you don’t like with a passable reticle without other options.

It is the value option.