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Coup De Grâce, New Action from American Rifle Company, $899 WOW!

Could someone weigh the short action cooking force and report back?

I have a long action with the .535 bolt face and it takes 7 pounds 6 ounces to cock it. My short action origin takes 4 pounds even. I have not tested my Zues action yet, but it feels like it's closer to the CDG than the Origin.
 
4O6shootist said:
The fact ARC dropped all their other actions, is a bit of a red flag. The nucleus was on its third iteration, the archimedes just always worked. Now the new latest/greatest comes out and all other sku's are gone, as well as their aics mag offering. How long till Tedd comes out with another new design and the CDG is an afterthought of the past? I own two of these and it's a serious question of mine.
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Im sure Ted will, and im sure it will have innovations on the CDG.
 
Arc customers: Arc rocks, nucleus 2.0 for the win, M-brace ra ra!

Ted K: People of earth, I took a Nucleus and a Archimedes and rubbed them together till they made a love child. The new action has all the best features, including a never before seen trigger adjustment design, and its $200 cheaper than a Nucleus 2.0!

406shootist: Red Flag! Red Flag!
 
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Supersubes said:
Arc customers: Arc rocks, nucleus 2.0 for the win, M-brace ra ra!

Ted K: People of earth, I took a Nucleus and a Archimedes and rubbed them together till they made a love child. The new action has all the best features, including a never before seen trigger adjustment design, and its $200 cheaper than a Nucleus 2.0!

406shootist: Red Flag! Red Flag!
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In @4O6shootist defense, there can be security in stagnation.

-Stan
 
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Is this an assumption or based off of some sales numbers?
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It’s based on price. It’s more hyped because it’s cheaper. Had it been $1450 like all the rest, it would be just another action which does stimulate the got to have the newest crowd.
 
wade2big said:
It’s based on price. It’s more popular because it’s cheaper. Had it been $1450 like all the rest, it would be just another action.
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Helps that it beats the predecessors in features. The mere fact that they killed off the predecessors says it all.
 
Supersubes said:
Arc customers: Arc rocks, nucleus 2.0 for the win, M-brace ra ra!

Ted K: People of earth, I took a Nucleus and a Archimedes and rubbed them together till they made a love child. The new action has all the best features, including a never before seen trigger adjustment design, and its $200 cheaper than a Nucleus 2.0!

406shootist: Red Flag! Red Flag!
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Ur funny, try this one.......its much more historically correct.

Tedd: world check out the new nucleus! It's the greatest CRF at an affordable price! But them all!

Tedd 9 MO later: World, we didn't get it right! Now we have THE best nucleus 1.2! Go buy em boys!

Ted 2 years later: nucleus 2.0 is out! No more fucked up bolt stop! And an integral lug! Buy another one guys!

Ted 2 years later: the nuke is gone, because we've made the greatest thing on earth! We've done 16 prototypes a d 1,098,234 hours of dry fire and fired 19.72tril rounds down a single action and we've confirmed it's the best ever!

Ted 9 months later, we didn't get the extractor right, here's new parts you need.

You seeing the pattern here?

I think it has very little on the archimedes other than a better bolt release and the trigger hanger. Now the Nuc and Arch are gone forever. You'll understand what I mean when they're on CDG 2.2 and your original buy is no longer relevant.
 
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4O6shootist said:
Ur funny, try this one.......its much more historically correct.

Tedd: world check out the new nucleus! It's the greatest CRF at an affordable price! But them all!

Tedd 9 MO later: World, we didn't get it right! Now we have THE best nucleus 1.2! Go buy em boys!

Ted 2 years later: nucleus 2.0 is out! No more fucked up bolt stop! And an integral lug! Buy another one guys!

Ted 2 years later: the nuke is gone, because we've made the greatest thing on earth! We've done 16 prototypes a d 1,098,234 hours of dry fire and fired 19.72tril rounds down a single action and we've confirmed it's the best ever!

Ted 9 months later, we didn't get the extractor right, here's new parts you need.

You seeing the pattern here?

I think it has very little on the archimedes other than a better bolt release and the trigger hanger. Now the Nuc and Arch are gone forever. You'll understand what I mean when they're on CDG 2.2 and your original buy is no longer relevant.
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You're missing the point, all those actions worked. All those actions still work. The owners are in no worse position today than they were yesterday. The cherry on top of all this is Ol’ Ted got you two buy two of the new hotness! Some red flag that is! 🥲
 
4O6shootist said:
Ur funny, try this one.......its much more historically correct.

Tedd: world check out the new nucleus! It's the greatest CRF at an affordable price! But them all!

Tedd 9 MO later: World, we didn't get it right! Now we have THE best nucleus 1.2! Go buy em boys!

Ted 2 years later: nucleus 2.0 is out! No more fucked up bolt stop! And an integral lug! Buy another one guys!

Ted 2 years later: the nuke is gone, because we've made the greatest thing on earth! We've done 16 prototypes a d 1,098,234 hours of dry fire and fired 19.72tril rounds down a single action and we've confirmed it's the best ever!

Ted 9 months later, we didn't get the extractor right, here's new parts you need.

You seeing the pattern here?

I think it has very little on the archimedes other than a better bolt release and the trigger hanger. Now the Nuc and Arch are gone forever. You'll understand what I mean when they're on CDG 2.2 and your original buy is no longer relevant.
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Taking a dig at them for sending out a new extractor, free of charge, when everyone was unaware there was even a problem in the first place, is dumb as shit.
 
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4O6shootist said:
The fact ARC dropped all their other actions, is a bit of a red flag. The nucleus was on its third iteration, the archimedes just always worked. Now the new latest/greatest comes out and all other sku's are gone, as well as their aics mag offering. How long till Tedd comes out with another new design and the CDG is an afterthought of the past? I own two of these and it's a serious question of mine.
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Little bit like Teds interactions after initial receptiveness...... Ted is Ted, and I don't know the real bloke whatsoever, however it is what I see in all of these products.
Best of luck to him, but honestly I feel he just loves changing shit for the sake of it a lot of the times. It is why he is an engineer, but can also be an achilles heel. Not sure it is always the best for the customer.......
Looks to be a great action, hopefully this one has some legs on it for awhile.....
 
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Pete B said:
Little bit like Teds interactions after initial receptiveness...... Ted is Ted, and I don't know the real bloke whatsoever, however it is what I see in all of these products.
Best of luck to him, but honestly I feel he just loves changing shit for the sake of it a lot of the times. It is why he is an engineer, but can also be an achilles heel. Not sure it is always the best for the customer.......
Looks to be a great action, hopefully this one has some legs on it for awhile.....
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How old are you and @406Shooter? He’s over there talking about rifle receivers having something to do with relevance. Gotta be Gen-Z!
 
Supersubes said:
How old are you and @406Shooter? He’s over there talking about rifle receivers having something to do with relevance. Gotta be Gen-Z!
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50 big fella, it is an opinon..... perhaps you should grow-up and understand some will differ to yours..... Doesn't really matter, except to people like you.
All the best in your fight for correctness 👍
 
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50 big fella, it is an opinon..... perhaps you should grow-up and understand some will differ to yours..... Doesn't really matter, except to people like you.
All the best in your fight for correctness 👍
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Best of luck grasping for anything you can to gripe about. 😂
 
Supersubes said:
You're missing the point, all those actions worked. All those actions still work. The owners are in no worse position today than they were yesterday. The cherry on top of all this is Ol’ Ted got you two buy two of the new hotness! Some red flag that is! 🥲
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Supersubes said:
@406Shooter? He’s over there talking about rifle receivers having something to do with relevance. Gotta be Gen-Z!
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My comment of how ARC has consistently revised an action with re-releases after the initial release is valid, and factual. We'll wait and see what happens with the CDG. If there is no redesigned version 1.2 or 2.0 within 2 years of production, I'll be surprised! You appear to be taking my comments(which have her zero implications to you personally) very close to your heart. Why are you so sensitive? Are you affiliated with ARC? Are you involved with their engineering? Private consultant in their testing? Do you have personal money invested in this company? I'm 40, sorry to disappoint your genZ fantasy. I paid my money, I can make my observations of a business and be critical of their products, because I use them, and have owned their predecessors. Trying to silence or shame my opinions because they are not agreeable to your perceptions, speaks loudly of your ideology and general mindedness.
 
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4O6shootist said:
My comment of how ARC has consistently revised an action with re-releases after the initial release is valid, and factual. We'll wait and see what happens with the CDG. If there is no redesigned version 1.2 or 2.0 within 2 years of production, I'll be surprised! You appear to be taking my comments(which have her zero implications to you personally) very close to your heart. Why are you so sensitive? Are you affiliated with ARC? Are you involved with their engineering? Private consultant in their testing? Do you have personal money invested in this company? I'm 40, sorry to disappoint your genZ fantasy. I paid my money, I can make my observations of a business and be critical of their products, because I use them, and have owned their predecessors. Trying to silence or shame my opinions because they are not agreeable to your perceptions, speaks loudly of your ideology and general mindedness.
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You and Pet B are are entitled to your opinions, I never said otherwise. If Arc was putting out turds, you’d have a point, but theyre not, so you dont. I shouldn't be surprised by your gripe, its is predictable. Proof that people will find anything to bitch about. I honestly laughed out loud when I read it. I dont think you're a stupid person, but your gripe certainly is imo. Ive owned most of their previous actions except the mausingfield, paid full price for all of them, and have zero connection with Arc outside of being a customer.
 
Hennig said:
How many Archimedes revisions were there? Given that was the latest release prior to this?
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Zero, it was on the market for 2.5 years and it's discontinuation was announced.

Supersubes to your comments refereeing to relevance. Would you buy a ised car that doesn't have replacement parts available? Buy a discontinued appliance for your home that is no longer factory serviceable due to no more parts support? I know I would not do so. Why would someone want an action if you no longer have access to any part that could possibly fail? An action without 100% support of parts, is not relevant. I'll call ARC once they're open from Christmas break, and ask them if I'll still be able to get any and all nucleus and archimedes parts 3-10 years from now. How's this for an explanation of relevance to ownership?
 
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I thought Ted had said they’d continue to support all of their prior actions with spare parts, but could be wrong.
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He stated parts will be available. I'm going to call and confirm if any and all parts will be available and for what time frame.
 
Gen 1 nuke actions still have parts available.
M5 Mausingfields still have parts available.
Barloc parts are still available.
M10 ring parts are still available.
Mag parts are still available.

Seems like they do a decent job of supporting products that are discontinued.
 
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Zero, it was on the market for 2.5 years and it's discontinuation was announced.

Supersubes to your comments refereeing to relevance. Would you buy a ised car that doesn't have replacement parts available? Buy a discontinued appliance for your home that is no longer factory serviceable due to no more parts support? I know I would not do so. Why would someone want an action if you no longer have access to any part that could possibly fail? An action without 100% support of parts, is not relevant. I'll call ARC once they're open from Christmas break, and ask them if I'll still be able to get any and all nucleus and archimedes parts 3-10 years from now. How's this for an explanation of relevance to ownership?
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I believe Ted himself addressed the parts issue, although I cant link you to it. The answer was yes, he will continue to support the older actions. A quick skim through the site shows a bunch of Gen 1 nuke parts, which is an action inside your time window. He even has barloc parts, a product i’m pretty sure he isn't happy with. Everything I clicked on was in stock.
 
4O6shootist said:
He stated parts will be available. I'm going to call and confirm if any and all parts will be available and for what time frame.
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I actually called them a few months back once I caught word on the nucleus. They actually worded where they said they didn't discontinue the nucleus but not making any of them right now or the fore seeable future. They are 100% committed to the new CDG action. They also told me spare parts for them were never going to be an issue but even so if you bought a few claws and screws ect not much to replace.
 
I still think it's a shame what ARC did and always changing things. I think the nucleus was one of the best actions on market period. Simple and effective
 
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Ur funny, try this one.......its much more historically correct.

Tedd: world check out the new nucleus! It's the greatest CRF at an affordable price! But them all!

Tedd 9 MO later: World, we didn't get it right! Now we have THE best nucleus 1.2! Go buy em boys!

Ted 2 years later: nucleus 2.0 is out! No more fucked up bolt stop! And an integral lug! Buy another one guys!

Ted 2 years later: the nuke is gone, because we've made the greatest thing on earth! We've done 16 prototypes a d 1,098,234 hours of dry fire and fired 19.72tril rounds down a single action and we've confirmed it's the best ever!

Ted 9 months later, we didn't get the extractor right, here's new parts you need.

You seeing the pattern here?

I think it has very little on the archimedes other than a better bolt release and the trigger hanger. Now the Nuc and Arch are gone forever. You'll understand what I mean when they're on CDG 2.2 and your original buy is no longer relevant.
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One major on the Archimedes is tool-less bolt disassembly.
 
4O6shootist said:
My comment of how ARC has consistently revised an action with re-releases after the initial release is valid, and factual. We'll wait and see what happens with the CDG. If there is no redesigned version 1.2 or 2.0 within 2 years of production, I'll be surprised! You appear to be taking my comments(which have her zero implications to you personally) very close to your heart. Why are you so sensitive? Are you affiliated with ARC? Are you involved with their engineering? Private consultant in their testing? Do you have personal money invested in this company? I'm 40, sorry to disappoint your genZ fantasy. I paid my money, I can make my observations of a business and be critical of their products, because I use them, and have owned their predecessors. Trying to silence or shame my opinions because they are not agreeable to your perceptions, speaks loudly of your ideology and general mindedness.
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We’re already on CDG 1.2. The trigger hanger has changed.
 
I am guessing one of the major innovations of the CDG is behind the scenes, in the way that it is produced that allows for significant cost savings.

Just a guess, however. And not really immediately relevant to the consumer beyond the cost savings.

There is something to be said to keep a product around a while (with gradual improvements) to allow an ecosystem to grow up around it. Harley motorcycles comes to mind.

I sort of get the feeling Ted is in his experimental phase, or rather in the fruition phase of an earlier experimental brainstorm. Maybe he’ll slow down and really let the market absorb his products like he’s done with his scope rings. I dunno 🤷‍♂️
 
Tokay444 said:
One major on the Archimedes is tool-less bolt disassembly.
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Agreed, that's been an industry standard with several bayonet style cocking pieces used by zermatt, bat machine and others for a long time now. ARC has just caught up that. That problem is the complexity in the ARC bolts, there's a shit ton of parts in there compared to say an equally functional crf bolt from Zermatt. Took a lot of engineering to get that feature integrated. I truly do appreciate the time and resources spent to get these new "near revolutionary" actions on the market. Pushing the ideas and boundaries of what a 700 clone can be, and what new ideas can be added to the mechanical system. Some processes in the system possibly weren't optimal or fully thought through, as new revisions and fixes are already here. I just hope the CDG keeps to its form and doesn't evolve into a new release and discontinuation of the original in a short time oder. I'm done talking on this subject, I have owned 5 arc actions, and will continue to own their products, doesn't mean I cannot be critical of what I own and use. I had an impact, was so underwhelmed with the "most popular action in the prs" I sold it within a season. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
 
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If they continue to support the old actions it is all a customer can ask for. They have said they will (and have) which is way more than most companies do when they come out with their latest and greatest.

This is the first Im hearing of the new extractor. Are they just showing up at your door or are you getting an email about it? I got mine in hand mid August from the pre order.
 
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zeroz said:
If they continue to support the old actions it is all a customer can ask for. They have said they will (and have) which is way more than most companies do when they come out with their latest and greatest.

This is the first Im hearing of the new extractor. Are they just showing up at your door or are you getting an email about it? I got mine in hand mid August from the pre order.
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I did not get an email or any notification that ARC was shipping the extractor kits to me.
 
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If they continue to support the old actions it is all a customer can ask for. They have said they will (and have) which is way more than most companies do when they come out with their latest and greatest.

This is the first Im hearing of the new extractor. Are they just showing up at your door or are you getting an email about it? I got mine in hand mid August from the pre order.
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They just show up. You should have yours any time.
 
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Can someone post a pic of the new hanger?
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I wonder if the change to the action and trigger hanger also addresses the side to side play when pushing the trigger to the side?

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Anyone have any failures with the extractor? Wondering why the change. I have over 800 rounds on the action and not one hiccup. Never had an issue with the original hanger pin system either. I did have to mill a little notch for the safety on the Timney but other than that the original design on both has been flawless. There is a tiny bit of side to side play but not anything Id ever be concerned with.
 
zeroz said:
Anyone have any failures with the extractor? Wondering why the change. I have over 800 rounds on the action and not one hiccup. Never had an issue with the original hanger pin system either. I did have to mill a little notch for the safety on the Timney but other than that the original design on both has been flawless. There is a tiny bit of side to side play but not anything Id ever be concerned with.
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The description that came with the extractors says it was large (magnum i think they said) cases combined with the bolt striking the bolt stop. Fair to say that most action in users hands at this point are short actions, some small number of longs. Id be curious to know who discovered it and under exactly what conditions. It would have been headline news if anyone here discovered it, alas nobody did it seems.

Take apart your extractor and check it out, or compare with the old parts. The new design would make it much harder for the extractor to climb out from under the detent pin vs the ball.
 
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Anyone have any failures with the extractor? Wondering why the change. I have over 800 rounds on the action and not one hiccup. Never had an issue with the original hanger pin system either. I did have to mill a little notch for the safety on the Timney but other than that the original design on both has been flawless. There is a tiny bit of side to side play but not anything Id ever be concerned with.
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I've never had nor heard of an extractor failure. I'm running a standard 308 bolt face so it may be less of an issue. I also don't slam my bolt back hard against the stop.

I don't understand the trigger hanger change, other than needing additional clearance for some triggers what does adding the tabs to the trigger hanger do that the pins weren't doing.
 
Copy. Thanks. While I have some rounds through the action I cant say its been run hard. Its also a short action on a .260 so it sounds like I'd probably never have an issue. I have beat on the gun dragging it through the woods quite a bit but the bolt doesnt get slammed back and forth repeatedly.
 
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