The attack on all things conservative / western values continues
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Unless of course they hire you for wolf population control.
Those Elk and Moose keep emitting gas.....
The left is saving the world by actively working to rid the planet of anything that emits gas.
I sure wish they would start with their own voters.
The left is saving the world by actively working to rid the planet of anything that emits gas.
I sure wish they would start with their own voters.
Oddly enough the graph is roughly the same when you substitute Yellowstone for San Francisco and Portland , moose and elk for businesses, and wolves for drug addicts.
“We are putting them in areas they were native to “
Yeah where people and children live and work and have livestock.
How about they put them in those blue cesspools. They were native there too
Yeah where people and children live and work and have livestock.
How about they put them in those blue cesspools. They were native there too
Wait a minute, you might be on to something...
A similar thing has happened in MN. T-Wolves are protected and allowed to get out of hand. The Elk populations are very small now. About 120-150. Moose are about 4,000.
Wildlife officials release 5 wolves from Oregon into Colorado as reintroduction begins
As Colorado's largest statewide, member-supported, multi-media network, Rocky Mountain PBS wants to make sure everyone is seen and heard.
www.rmpbs.org
There are solutions. Three more of the non-native problems were eliminated near me just after Christmas. I believe that SSS is being taken seriously, including leaving cell phones at home and a few other precautions.
In their minds the reason folks have guns is to hunt.
If there isn't any hunting left they haven't a need for a gun.
Demagogues lead the witless.
R
If there isn't any hunting left they haven't a need for a gun.
Demagogues lead the witless.
R
Wolves must be doing some good eating if the moose and elk populations want down that fast
It's amazing how many times I hear this. I always respond the 2A wasn't written for hunting. 99% that's the end of the conversation.
Umm... Hunting is already illegal in Yellowstone and has been since, well, before just after it's inception (1883). It's kind of a thing at every National Park. Wolves decimating the herbivore populations in the park is a problem, every wolf eats around 20 elk a year, but it's not going to impact hunting within the park one single, tiny, little bit as it's already against the law. We stand a better chance of eliminating personal income taxes before they will change the law to allow hunting inside National Parks.
Now if you want to make this argument for being able to shoot wolves outside park boundaries? 100% with you, and we do that in Wyoming already. We are under continuous litigation attempts to stop us, it's a never ending battle.
If you want to use this to argue against the conversion of National Forests and BLM land into National Parks and similar that would prohibit hunting on previously hunted lands, again, 100% with you and I'm just as pissed as everyone else when they take another wide swath of land and "protect" it. It's funny how virtually NOBODY went to south-central Utah until Billy Boy pencil whipped out Grand Staircase-Escalante "National Monument" from a bunch of BLM land. It was protected by the ranchers grazing on it and its isolation from knowledge. You could previously take the 4x4 only Burr Trail and count how many other vehicles you'd see on it with one hand. Now they paved half of it and the other half is graded regularly, to the point in dry weather you could get a Prius through with zero issues. Protected? I disagree...
Edited to correct when hunting was banned in the park.
Now if you want to make this argument for being able to shoot wolves outside park boundaries? 100% with you, and we do that in Wyoming already. We are under continuous litigation attempts to stop us, it's a never ending battle.
If you want to use this to argue against the conversion of National Forests and BLM land into National Parks and similar that would prohibit hunting on previously hunted lands, again, 100% with you and I'm just as pissed as everyone else when they take another wide swath of land and "protect" it. It's funny how virtually NOBODY went to south-central Utah until Billy Boy pencil whipped out Grand Staircase-Escalante "National Monument" from a bunch of BLM land. It was protected by the ranchers grazing on it and its isolation from knowledge. You could previously take the 4x4 only Burr Trail and count how many other vehicles you'd see on it with one hand. Now they paved half of it and the other half is graded regularly, to the point in dry weather you could get a Prius through with zero issues. Protected? I disagree...
Edited to correct when hunting was banned in the park.
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Wolves stay in the park ?
How many places have the communists released these giant non native wolves ?
Does the game population in the park affect game outside the park ? I know long legged rats are like water. Pull some out or put more in one place it affects other places / they fill back in
They don’t stay in the park, and that’s also when we shoot them.
The elk don’t stay in the park either, 20k+/- migrate in and out of it. That’s when we shoot them too. The 5k number in your OP are just the permanent herds that don’t migrate.
One other note, wolves are very much native to Yellowstone. A big part of me wants more wolves there, many more, and to feed them tourists instead of elk.
You haven’t read they brought northern Canadian wolves that are bigger that what was originally there
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I think I could hold a couple wolfs off from eating me
20,000 elk were too many for the habitat in Yellowstone to support. Browsing by ungulates had prevented tree recovery in many areas of the park. They need to get the bison numbers down for some of the lower elevations where browsing by bison is harming the plant life there, too. The park is much improved by the presence of predators in the ecosystem. It is much healthier now than it was in 1995. There are still improvements to be made.
today.oregonstate.edu
The elk numbers have pretty much stabilized at 5000, indicating that is probably the level with predators that is about right for that ecosystem. The numbers have actually been climbing for the last decade.
www.nps.gov
Studies confirm effect of wolves, elk on tree recovery in Yellowstone National Park
CORVALLIS, Ore. - An analysis of 24 studies over a 15-year period has confirmed that wolves and their influence on elk represent a major reason for the recovery of trees that had previously been declining for decades in Yellowstone National Park. Despite long-term trends of increased...
The elk numbers have pretty much stabilized at 5000, indicating that is probably the level with predators that is about right for that ecosystem. The numbers have actually been climbing for the last decade.
Elk - Yellowstone National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
Elk are the most abundant ungulate in Yellowstone National Park.
www.nps.gov
Just wait until they finish all the game off within the park boundaries! Wolves recognize no boundaries.
Pine beetle fucked up more trees than the elk ever could.20,000 elk were too many for the habitat in Yellowstone to support. Browsing by ungulates had prevented tree recovery in many areas of the park. They need to get the bison numbers down for some of the lower elevations where browsing by bison is harming the plant life there, too. The park is much improved by the presence of predators in the ecosystem. It is much healthier now than it was in 1995. There are still improvements to be made.
Studies confirm effect of wolves, elk on tree recovery in Yellowstone National Park
CORVALLIS, Ore. - An analysis of 24 studies over a 15-year period has confirmed that wolves and their influence on elk represent a major reason for the recovery of trees that had previously been declining for decades in Yellowstone National Park. Despite long-term trends of increased...
The elk numbers have pretty much stabilized at 5000, indicating that is probably the level with predators that is about right for that ecosystem. The numbers have actually been climbing for the last decade.
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Elk - Yellowstone National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
Elk are the most abundant ungulate in Yellowstone National Park.
A population of unregulated predators will/have reeked havoc.
The neighbors can attest.
Had a transplant at 35 yards just west of YS/Teton area in 22.
Artic wolves aren't "native".
Grey wolves were.
As there is so much migration in and out of the park claiming what a reasonable population is is BS.
BTW, they forgot to tell the YS wolves where the park borders were.
R
There is most definitely a predator-prey population relationship. It’s always been true. Will there be a period wherein predators dominate and cause severe stress to local prey populations? Yes. Followed by predator range spread and then eventually decline to levels that allow prey species to recover.
It’s real. Nature truly does deliver.
It’s real. Nature truly does deliver.
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SSS. Don't take pictures, don't brag about it. Handle your business.
Shooting doesn’t do much. Same with pigs.
There’s a reason poison was used to eradicate wolves
This all reminds me of the joke about the government man telling the farmer he could go anywhere he wanted. (And the inference is to do anything the government wanted) After entering the pasture, that the farmer warned him not to, the bull got after the gman and the gman kept yelling for help. The farmer hollered out, “show him your badge.” The results are what one would expect. (A mucked up day for the gman and a mucked up day for the farmer who got blamed for the gman’s demise)
The gmen know best (?) and apex predators are loved by people who live in New York City and Los Angeles, California. See the point. The gmen are going to do what the coastal elites tell them to do. I am not that familiar with the ecology of The Yellowstone, but I am very familiar with North Louisiana, where we are starting to have a black bear problem and starting to have an alligator problem. Not serious yet, but when one of those big city loving people come out to the state park and has their lovely house broke black lab or the truly precious toddler, become a meal for a gator, then we will see just how much they love apex predators. (Feeling sure, we country folks will get the blame)
The gmen know best (?) and apex predators are loved by people who live in New York City and Los Angeles, California. See the point. The gmen are going to do what the coastal elites tell them to do. I am not that familiar with the ecology of The Yellowstone, but I am very familiar with North Louisiana, where we are starting to have a black bear problem and starting to have an alligator problem. Not serious yet, but when one of those big city loving people come out to the state park and has their lovely house broke black lab or the truly precious toddler, become a meal for a gator, then we will see just how much they love apex predators. (Feeling sure, we country folks will get the blame)
Yes, send more tourists. The last ones were crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Pine beetles have definitely been a problem in recent history for white bark pine trees in the park. There was, however, nothing in the link about pine trees. Maybe you should read it. You can still disagree even after you know what it says.
Wolves number in the low hundreds in Wyoming, regulated hunting each year culls out 10% or more of the population. On top of that, if a wolf is identified as going after livestock, they're declared a predatory animal and culled.
2022 numbers, last with the full report available, there were 338 wolves in Wyoming. 32 were taken in regulated hunting, 24 as predatory animals, and another 21 by state regulated control culls. That's 22% of the entire population control killed in one year, and doesn't include natural deaths.
Show me one place where a quarter of a species population is killed every year... We're doing just fine controlling wolves.
It’s a pity the prey doesn’t include the leftist pieces of shit that inflicted the wolves on us.
We live in environments with many more manipulated variables than that. For example. We raise millions of head of cattle across the great plains and mountains. When elk populations run thin, those cattle are going to be the main targets. Like a weak stupid slow Buffalo. Colorado and New Mexico have large cow and elk herds. In 20 years we will see. I think it's retarded. I would much rather have the elk than the wolves. We have done a fine job of managing wildlife, and grazing without wolves for about 100 years now. They take into account animals and forage and give out licenses accordingly.
If they want better pastures they could harvest beatle killed wood out of "wildreness areas."
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Where in the hell are those numbers coming from:
www.nps.gov
Elk: Yellowstone provides summer range for an estimated 10,000–20,000 elk (Cervus canadensis) from six to seven herds, most of which winter at lower elevations outside the park.
Moose: https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/about-moose/ Around 800
Wolf: Around 108 wolves: https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/natu...January 2023, there,and 123 wolves since 2009.
Elk - Yellowstone National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
Elk are the most abundant ungulate in Yellowstone National Park.
www.nps.gov
Elk: Yellowstone provides summer range for an estimated 10,000–20,000 elk (Cervus canadensis) from six to seven herds, most of which winter at lower elevations outside the park.
Moose: https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/about-moose/ Around 800
Wolf: Around 108 wolves: https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/natu...January 2023, there,and 123 wolves since 2009.
Reply to your top post.
That's yours, right?
Idaho had a desired population of 500 wolves.
Currently they COUNT 1543-1337.
I know for a fact they can't count them all.
They are allowed to hunt/trap them during many seasons all across Idaho to my knowledge.
Still can't control their numbers.
R
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Those are migratory elk numbers, permanent herds are the 5k down from 20k.Where in the hell are those numbers coming from:
Elk - Yellowstone National Park (U.S. National Park Service)
Elk are the most abundant ungulate in Yellowstone National Park.
Elk: Yellowstone provides summer range for an estimated 10,000–20,000 elk (Cervus canadensis) from six to seven herds, most of which winter at lower elevations outside the park.
Moose: https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wildlife/about-moose/ Around 800
Wolf: Around 108 wolves: https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/wolves.htm#:~:text=As of January 2023, there,and 123 wolves since 2009.
We are seeing the shit side of this coin now where we hunt whitetail.
Ten years ago I could fill three tags if I wanted.
The last three years it was bucks only and does by lottery only.
Maybe need this next statement belongs in another thread, but Minnesota is ass backwards when it comes to licenses and game.
Bucks are OTC. You want a doe, you have to join a lottery.
Out west, females are OTC.
I swear they must make people say it on TV. But every victim of an animal attack on TV seems to always mention how they don't blame the animal because, I was in his territory. Just more social engineering from the shit box.
Yes, but not pine trees, cottonwood and some others, as well as plants that produce food for wildlife beyond leaves
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