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See the contestThe problem with so many of these discussions is that they promote the false premise that the war was about slavery. To say it was about slavery is no more true than to say it had nothing to do with slavery.Probably hard to be grateful when Southern Democrats, who were completely un-reconstructed, put them right back into slavery with everything from share cropping deals to poll taxes and grandfather clauses... and then kept lynching them all the way into the late 1960's... Then stuck them in Ghettos. Buried them in Heroin then rock... then created laws to destroy their families and profited greatly off of gang and rap culture...
All the while, calling 'boot strap Republicans' who wanted to get folks off welfare and tell them they had no limits... were called racists for trying to reduce welfare... so the left could create a free shit army of minorities and the lazy... to help them usher in Communism.
You think any of that is accidental? Heck, Marx predicted it! Stating that the Negro would be used until the 'Revolution was complete" then would be put back into chains like cattle. But the %$#@ing BLM idiots call themselves trained Marxists. Did they even read Marx?
Meh... whatever. It's so broken now that the only thing we can hope for is that the pendulum swings without massive bloodshed. Which is what the left is hoping for because they think that out of the ashes will come their shining future of equality and green paradise.
BTW, Vermonters died at the highest rate per capita of the Civil War. And the lefties up here are SCREAMING that we should be paying reparations. That's what Progressives are about. It's all about redistribution. Using whatever means necessary. Starting with disarmament and propaganda.
Yup... keep believing that.
Sirhr
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That's Sheryl Crow.Many people dont know that Hulk Hogan and Stevie Nicks dated for a short while
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Probably hard to be grateful when Southern Democrats, who were completely un-reconstructed, put them right back into slavery with everything from share cropping deals to poll taxes and grandfather clauses... and then kept lynching them all the way into the late 1960's... Then stuck them in Ghettos. Buried them in Heroin then rock... then created laws to destroy their families and profited greatly off of gang and rap culture...
All the while, calling 'boot strap Republicans' who wanted to get folks off welfare and tell them they had no limits... were called racists for trying to reduce welfare... so the left could create a free shit army of minorities and the lazy... to help them usher in Communism.
You think any of that is accidental? Heck, Marx predicted it! Stating that the Negro would be used until the 'Revolution was complete" then would be put back into chains like cattle. But the %$#@ing BLM idiots call themselves trained Marxists. Did they even read Marx?
Meh... whatever. It's so broken now that the only thing we can hope for is that the pendulum swings without massive bloodshed. Which is what the left is hoping for because they think that out of the ashes will come their shining future of equality and green paradise.
BTW, Vermonters died at the highest rate per capita of the Civil War. And the lefties up here are SCREAMING that we should be paying reparations. That's what Progressives are about. It's all about redistribution. Using whatever means necessary. Starting with disarmament and propaganda.
Yup... keep believing that.
Sirhr
Probably hard to be grateful when Southern Democrats, who were completely un-reconstructed, put them right back into slavery with everything from share cropping deals to poll taxes and grandfather clauses... and then kept lynching them all the way into the late 1960's... Then stuck them in Ghettos. Buried them in Heroin then rock... then created laws to destroy their families and profited greatly off of gang and rap culture...
All the while, calling 'boot strap Republicans' who wanted to get folks off welfare and tell them they had no limits... were called racists for trying to reduce welfare... so the left could create a free shit army of minorities and the lazy... to help them usher in Communism.
You think any of that is accidental? Heck, Marx predicted it! Stating that the Negro would be used until the 'Revolution was complete" then would be put back into chains like cattle. But the %$#@ing BLM idiots call themselves trained Marxists. Did they even read Marx?
Meh... whatever. It's so broken now that the only thing we can hope for is that the pendulum swings without massive bloodshed. Which is what the left is hoping for because they think that out of the ashes will come their shining future of equality and green paradise.
BTW, Vermonters died at the highest rate per capita of the Civil War. And the lefties up here are SCREAMING that we should be paying reparations. That's what Progressives are about. It's all about redistribution. Using whatever means necessary. Starting with disarmament and propaganda.
Yup... keep believing that.
Sirhr
This is what popped up on my view after your video.
OMG this looks like so much fun
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The absolute zenith of "Automotive Ignition Excellence".
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Hauling those wood residuals. Most people like some nice soft sanitary tissues, to wipe their derrière on.
Yes that does sort of go without saying. But you are spot on!One mistake in your rant,
The left, as in the leaders of the left are not looking for a shining future of equality and a green paradise. They will be at the top doing whatever they want to do while you will toil away to support that life style.
This is how that works. Paradise for them, but not for you. Enjoy your bug burger.
The problem with so many of these discussions is that they promote the false premise that the war was about slavery. To say it was about slavery is no more true than to say it had nothing to do with slavery.
Lincoln would have preferred to keep slavery than to go to war. Many of the northern states like IL and IN passed laws to prevent blacks from settling there.
Nice summary.Well, yes and no.
You are correct that Lincoln and his cabinet were careful to NOT make the war about slavery in the early stages. It was about preserving the Union. And though anti-slavery himself, Lincoln was not about to risk the Union to emancipate slaves. He figured it would burn itself out eventually. But was not about to risk the Union to free anyone.
BUT... the roots of the Civil War were based on slavery. It was the basis of the Southern economy. The 'wealth' of the small percentage of Southerners who owned the vast majority of slaves was based on... slaves as capital. The value of slaves added up to more than the entire value of all the railroads and Industrial companies in the North. And Southern Agriculture, heavily driven by cotton to feed the mills of the North and of England... was totally based on slavery. Sugar, too. Plus there were fears that 'emancipation' would result in massive bloodshed or strife... what were you going to 'do' with slaves?
Then there was the political angle. Up until the 1850's, there was a careful balance in Congress of Slave vs. Non-slave states. Remember, each 'slave' was 3/5ths of a (non-voting) person in allocating congressmen. So Southern plantation owners were loath to allow anything change that balance and strip their power. They felt the Northerners would crush them politically if the balance were tipped.
So when new states were being added to the Union (Kansas and Missouri and California, etc.) big fights were coming up over slavery's spread. It was not a moral issue of 'do we own slaves or not.' It was all about 'do we keep our power in the Congress!
Add in the toxic effect of the abolition movement... the nutballs of the Nineteenth Century. These folks ranged from the "Meh, I don't like this" to the utter murderous zealots like John Brown (who hacked up people with swords and fomented actual revolution." These zealots were like BLM or "Occupy" today. And they turned the Southern Militia systems from sort of a joke... a local society phenomena... into a serious movement of arming aganist rising slaves, abolitionists and preparing for succession.
On the other side, you had radical secessionists. Again driven by various causes, but largely to 'protect the Southern livestyle' which was utterly dependant on maintaining slavery.
This was what led to the events of late 1860/early 1861. And while noone 'said' slavery up front when the war started... the whole thing was most definitely rooted in slavery and the ripples it caused through society at basically every level. With the flames fanned by the new availability of "cheap newspapers" and pamphlets... the 1850's version of the Internet. Along with more leisure time brought on by wealth and industrialization (and slavery) that let people engage in 'causes' for the first time in America. Causes like secession and abolition.
Lincoln absolutely kept the war from being about 'slavery' for some two years. I think it was after victory at... Antietam? That he felt he had enough momentun to change the narrative to slavery. Pushed hard by rich Boston and NY Abolitionists and Frederick Douglas and his (white) followers. Who were all endless pains in the ass when it came to waging the war.
And, as you point out, as soon as the narrative shifted, there was a massive outburst of "pissed off" in the North. Ranging from the NY Draft Riots to whole units deserting the Union Army. Political fallout. Huge anger in the Irish community in particular (they were the 'low wage' outcasts in Northern Society -- and felt freed slaves would lower their wages and compete for jobs.) Sound familiar? So the shift from "Preserving the Union" to "Emancipation" was not an easy or popular one. And in hindsight caused a lot of issues we still feel today.
But to say the Civil War was not about slavery is only part of the story. It was 100 percent 'based' on the fact that America was founded with Slavery still permitted. It was the 'unfinished business' of the Constitutional Convention. And the compromises that allowed it to stand were destined to cause 'issues' in the future. They did. A shooting war that killed more Americans, if my numbers are right, than all our wars put together. (That may have changed.) Was it about slavery? Not if you read the period history prior to the Emancipation Procolamation.
But that's not the whole story. It was about slavery. Even if it wasn't.
Pardon the rant. Er... diatribe. Er... history blathering. Whatever. My coffee isn't working yet. Excuse for controversial remarks.
Sirhr
Nice summary.
The South felt it was about States' Rights, something that has/had been a wrench in the works since the beginning. Where does the Federal Government stop and State Government start? We still are having "difficulties" with this to this very day.
The Missouri Compromise was just that, a temporary method to keep the balance where the South felt they had a viable stake in the Union but the feeling that their ability to protect their economic interests were being whittled away just lead to that belief with each subsequent incident that came down the pike. Unequal numbers in the Senate was a real fear for the South. Their economy depended on agriculture while the North was becoming more industrialized and outstripping the South's ability to compete economically.
Harper's Ferry and Lincoln's election made those fears of being able to govern themselves, that slavery would be abolished, which would wreck the economy of the South, became a distinct probability.
Slavery was an important aspect of this but losing a say in what happens to you was a bigger driving force.
Red counties feel it today with the blue urban centers and their numbers controlling elections/policy. DDSOS.