Shit I’ll have to find it again. It was neither of those two cesspools.
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Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!
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It was almost certainly a frontal shot, and from the one pic it looked like he was hit in the mouth. Likely a CNS shot, and likely no exit wound like taking a frontal shot on a buck. Light switch was turned off, not pumper going, and no exit wound = not much blood. This tracks with what I observed, so I think this is off base.
I couldn't tell if that was an ear guage scar or just blood that made it look like that scar. Either way, 99.99% chance we'll never know the real story.
Here’s one link to the Butler Commissioner story
https://justthenews.com/government/...oner-said-local-police-had-no-security-detail
https://justthenews.com/government/...oner-said-local-police-had-no-security-detail
I told you. If he got shot in the mouth with a .30 cal. round, it should have blown the back of his throat / neck out.
It was almost certainly a frontal shot, and from the one pic it looked like he was hit in the mouth. Likely a CNS shot, and likely no exit wound like taking a frontal shot on a buck. Light switch was turned off, not pumper going, and no exit wound = not much blood. This tracks with what I observed, so I think this is off base.
I think local cops had hoisted someone up that spotted him as well. The shooter turned on him, causing him to fall, then was shooting shortly thereafter. Don't think we have time markers yet, or ever, but they put a call out on the tax channel of shooter on the roof at that point.
If you put a pic of a live Yernick and Crooks on a split screen and put the pic of the dead ear guage guy below without studying, which one would you say it is?
They have video of Crooks casing the buildings and on the roof and then they have the older looking ear guage guy with darker hair death pic. I say two people / shooters.
Which pictures?
There was one posted earlier on here that had as one of the comparison photos a picture of a guy who was not even the shooter, so it should be no suprise that his ear is different from the dead guy on the roof.
I would think so as well, with normal projectiles.
What would happen if the USSS used a lightweight frangible bullet?
I have seen several folks shot in the head, unfortunately.
Never in my experience have I seen someone shot in the head with a .30 caliber rifle round at 150 yards or more, so I have no real idea what the result would be from my own experience.
Do you two, or anybody else, have any direct personal experience with that? If so, could you share it for us?
Note to the peanut gallery, I am not asking those who have zero experience to give their uninformed guesses. I could have tossed out an ignorant guess all by myself.
Just a simple question, but had LE/SS already been on the roof before this shot was taken? You cant see the blood stream down the roof (towards the edge you can see some, but not like after the body was moved), but his rifle is like 6-8' away? I assume they had been, but I wouldn't think they would leave this scene.
Blood after they moved the body
EDIT: How long until some guntuber shoots one of the ballistic dummy heads with a 308/300WM at 150? lol
Blood after they moved the body
EDIT: How long until some guntuber shoots one of the ballistic dummy heads with a 308/300WM at 150? lol
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Oh, don't get me wrong, not disagreeing - I just couldn't tell in the one photo if it was blood or a guaged out ear without the jewelry.
The angle of the roof made it harder to tell though
.No, I haven't seen anybody shot down the gullet with a .300 Win. Mag or even a 30-06, but I bet there would be a massive exit wound, especially if the person were a pencil neck like Crooks and Yernick.
Hey fellars. I guess I'm one of those "been here a long time" (18 years), and low message count (109) guys. Mostly because I typically come here (and ARFCOM, Longrangehunting, 24hourcampfire, accurateshooter, etc) to read and learn, regarding precision shooting. Also until recently just busy with a heavy workload career in Engineering/Operations/Systems (retired after 40 years end of 2022). I very much respect the wisdom and experience of you collectively and have learned a lot. Thank you. Please indulge me on a question.
Something's been nagging at me, that I haven't seen much discussion on. It's probably nothing. Without diving into the distraction of myriad conspiracy theory possibilities, wouldn't it be useful to determine, with certainty, whether the bullet that grazed DJT actually came from the shooter on the roof? It seems odd that a 20 year old dork, probably untrained, rushed by being spotted, probably with a 1x red dot, jacked up living his wet dream, etc, makes a cold bore 130 yard shot that close to center. An easy slam dunk for you guys I know, but I've seen plenty like that "person" at the range, rested with a higher power scope, with plenty of time, nearly always spray all over at much shorter distances. Maybe just luck.
The nagging part is that clear photo, capturing the actual bullet in flight just past DJT, a lengthy blur indicating a portion of it's actual trajectory. To me that is actual empirical evidence, related to one of the most important events in human history. Assuming of course the photo is genuine, and that's the same bullet that hit his ear. Looking at all the 3D rendering analyzing the timing of DJT's head turn makes me wonder. Could the trajectory of the bullet in the photo be traced back to it's origin? Not sure how one would account for azimuth just with that photo, but I'm no expert. Elevation alone might be telling. Can it be done?
If that trajectory led, for example, to a spot in the brush, and the dweeb was just cover for a real assassin, seems that would be important.
Obviously I don't write here much. What spurred me was a CNN article, with audio analysis of the gunshots, concluding (iirc) three from the shooter, five quick responses, then later the suppressed final shot. I thought, now why in the world would CNN be doing audio analysis....? I've learned that when CNN says something, just immediately assume the opposite is true. Works pretty well, and again it made me wonder about the shot.
Food for thought if nothing else.
Something's been nagging at me, that I haven't seen much discussion on. It's probably nothing. Without diving into the distraction of myriad conspiracy theory possibilities, wouldn't it be useful to determine, with certainty, whether the bullet that grazed DJT actually came from the shooter on the roof? It seems odd that a 20 year old dork, probably untrained, rushed by being spotted, probably with a 1x red dot, jacked up living his wet dream, etc, makes a cold bore 130 yard shot that close to center. An easy slam dunk for you guys I know, but I've seen plenty like that "person" at the range, rested with a higher power scope, with plenty of time, nearly always spray all over at much shorter distances. Maybe just luck.
The nagging part is that clear photo, capturing the actual bullet in flight just past DJT, a lengthy blur indicating a portion of it's actual trajectory. To me that is actual empirical evidence, related to one of the most important events in human history. Assuming of course the photo is genuine, and that's the same bullet that hit his ear. Looking at all the 3D rendering analyzing the timing of DJT's head turn makes me wonder. Could the trajectory of the bullet in the photo be traced back to it's origin? Not sure how one would account for azimuth just with that photo, but I'm no expert. Elevation alone might be telling. Can it be done?
If that trajectory led, for example, to a spot in the brush, and the dweeb was just cover for a real assassin, seems that would be important.
Obviously I don't write here much. What spurred me was a CNN article, with audio analysis of the gunshots, concluding (iirc) three from the shooter, five quick responses, then later the suppressed final shot. I thought, now why in the world would CNN be doing audio analysis....? I've learned that when CNN says something, just immediately assume the opposite is true. Works pretty well, and again it made me wonder about the shot.
Food for thought if nothing else.
Hey. There’s that non partisan agency. Glad we have them on the case
Headshot with a .30 cal frangible type bullet at or around 150 yards? No that’s why I asked the question. I’ve heard that some various LEOs use them.
Not sure if this is actually true or not, haven't heard anything else on him being there, but if he is....
I am going to start off by saying, I do not share anything that we know internally which is not clear public knowledge. So please bear with me on that respect.
We already know the USSS CS teams use both Rem 700 LA 300 Win Mags with 215s custom loaded from Berger.
We also know the USSS CS teams use mid range SR25s with 6X Acogs and Berger 308 ammo (Won't share what load as I don't see it public at this time).
We already know the rifle and ammo the shooter used.
We already know what optic the shooter had, but I am not able to find a public response to what it was so mums the word outside of that.
We already know the USSS CS teams use both Rem 700 LA 300 Win Mags with 215s custom loaded from Berger.
We also know the USSS CS teams use mid range SR25s with 6X Acogs and Berger 308 ammo (Won't share what load as I don't see it public at this time).
We already know the rifle and ammo the shooter used.
We already know what optic the shooter had, but I am not able to find a public response to what it was so mums the word outside of that.
Yes, SR25s are always on hand as the mid-range. However if the SR25 was or was not the rifle that made the kill shot will likely not come out for a while more. It is also important to point out, the local LE sniper is on Admin leave (which is SOP) because he fired on the shooter (but missed) so you need to account for that.What type of optic I have no idea but there was an optic and I am hoping we get an actual picture of the rifle utilized. The picture I looked at was too fuzzy for me to make a claim but I could make out an optic of some sort. #10 is from various sources but the local law enforcement aspect is represented here and the SS aspect in the following article.
Secret Service identified rooftop security risk before Trump rally shooting
Two sources told NBC News that the Secret Service flagged a building near the rally site as a security concern. Investigators will be scrutinizing how a gunman was allowed to scale it.www.nbcnews.com
FYSA every thread on LRH having to do with this subject gets deleted. Not sure about the other sites.
Wondering why CNN is doing that as well.
I have no experience with gunshot humans. Sketch out the geometry involved between a prone crooks, the cs teams, elevations, and flight path. Is it possible the bullet continued on in the torso?
I knew doc mentioned it earlier in the thread but seems I also saw it a second time. A lot of stories/vids being deleted it seems. Still looking.
He might not have actually done that on purpose or with intent. Could have been via the parents, or he signed up for some service through a third-party that made a donation, or who knows. I got a letter in the mail once that thanked me for a donation made on my behalf without my knowledge through some organization. I forgot the details.
I don't think he missed, he was on target. The target moved and he was not good enough to know head is on a swivel . especially trumps. Now Biden's might have been a completely different story.Something to ponder: shooter might have taken a perfect shot at President Trump.
He might have missed because he bought the ammo that morning. True zero’s can shift using same ammo different lot or he bought a different brand same caliber and weight bullets, but velocities and components are different from brand to brand. Has anyone thought of this?
Maybe get a job in Hawaii? Ohh wait, there's already been a fire there in the high value property area.
This guy reports from "a source in the SS" he knows that the kill shot was with an SR-25. Looking at the pictures of the 2 sniper teams we have pics of I do not see an SR-25. Am I missing that somewhere?
I'm clearly seeing Nightforce optics on the USSS CS rigs... Or are we talking about different snipers?
The wind was 18mph gusting to 30mph
my grandson did the same @ about that age. doe at about 75 missed x2. that was his last miss on anything.
What is this the 3rd time? That vaccine is safe and effective. He would have probably had it 10 times without that. Good thing he's covered! Otherwise, it "probably" would be a lot worse too.
i would agree with the ERd. a 300wm entering in mouth,if that is the case would blow out the back of neck at c4-5 (?). angle of entry and a bunch of other consids but i just don't see a WM or 308 staying in,not exiting. so,another addition to the huge pile of puzzles and questions and takes on it all.
It was almost certainly a frontal shot, and from the one pic it looked like he was hit in the mouth. Likely a CNS shot, and likely no exit wound like taking a frontal shot on a buck. Light switch was turned off, not pumper going, and no exit wound = not much blood. This tracks with what I observed, so I think this is off base.
One of the known SR25s was being operated by the first female USSS CS in the departments history. She is a good person and incredibly capable, and should not be looped into any BS. Thats a USSS CS patch, a Garmin Tactix watch, SR25 with a Trijicon 6X ACOG on a RRS tripod.
If this is rruly how lackadaisical his security is. This will make enemies foreign and domestic that thought they didn’t have a chance of success, decide to go for it
But can she re holster her sidearm after drawing her weapon? All bullshit aside, no one cares about gender as long as they earned it the same way. Part of me hopes this woman put the bullet in the guys head. It’ll make the others look even worse. But let’s ask an obvious question here, how is a 5’4” female going to shield a guy that’s like 6’2”?
I have been saying that in my job for years. Now days company men do the permit , like you said, wear eye shades and play on a iPad and or their phone. Few years ago one of these guys had a flat tire and tried to change it. Truck rolled off jack when he got wheel off ground. The DA turned it in as a near miss and wanted a investigation. I was on committee, asked young man if he had it in park, parking brake fully engaged and opposite wheel chocked with something ? He said no. Asked why and which steps he omitted ? No chock of any kind and no emergency brake applied . I ask why ? Said ,well it wasn't a emergency and no ones ever told me to chock opposite wheel. I have never changed a flat on side of road before in my life. So management decisions after data goes in. No one driving a company truck are to ever change a flat ever again. Dumbing down America....
Interesting chatter that I'm reading on other social media platforms about the picture taken with the blurred image of the bullet that supposedly pierced Trump's ear. I don't know anything about photography, but some people who have stated that the camera guy who took that photo was using a crazy high shutter speed. Something on the order of 1/8000 or some gibberish. Like he knew something fast was going to happen so he needed the high shutter speed. I may not even be using the right terminology for that. Does anyone in here have knowledge of photography and can provide some perspective?
Yes she can, and she certainly earned it. Which is why I said she needs to be kept out of the BS.
I stopped when he said the reason Trump was under protected was because of "financial issues."
Bullshit. They had money to trump up bogus charges to convict him of a felony so they could pull his SS protection and kill him. And thats what they did here, pulled his SS protection so they could kill him.
I have heard this as well. Shooter position makes this the only counter sniper team that had a clear shot? The other 2 positions were obstructed by trees?
Crooks actions were wrong, but just think what he actually did? 1" and he would have changed the world? The fact remains the first shot was a kill shot. With iron sigjhts that was an amazing shot!!
We are at war in this country and people are dying. Im scared to think what would have happened if Trump didnt move his head at the last minute?
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