Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

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questions, whats the speed of the (probably getting the terminology wrong) hammer dropping, ejecting the round, reloading and hammer dropping again, how fast can that happen between rounds? full auto different to semi auto speed? has anyone talked about this yet?
 
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748rpilot said:
It's fine to admit you either made a mistake, or just don't know what you're talking about. I'm sure there is something else you're an expert on.

Like trolling the Bear Pit, for instance.

Oh and hashing is not "one way encryption" it is a one-way (mathematical) function.
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It was intentional.

I use simple words like encryption when speaking to the nontechnical masses because they don't understand words like hash or MD5 or SHA or Blowfish.

I mentioned in the post you quoted that hashing is one-way, you repeating doesn't make you look smarter it just makes it look like you didn't read the entire post. Are you saying only hashing is mathematical and all encryption is not mathematical?

Sure "encryption" specifically, by definition, is a two way process but the only significant difference between the two, encryption and hashing, is hashing is one-way ... no decoding algorithm available ... both can be used for passwords although passwords are mostly only encrypted in transit and hashed on the other end.

I've done Unix/Linux kernel, driver, network, database, application, VMWare, KVM and much more development since the early 90s, a lot of Fortran and assembly for a decade or so before that on various platforms. I don't consider myself an "expert" in any of them but I did persuade Linus and Andrew Morton to fix a couple issues in the kernel memory management code ... many years ago.
 
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doubloon said:
It was intentional.

I use simple words like encryption when speaking to the nontechnical masses because they don't understand words like hash or MD5 or SHA or Blowfish.

I mentioned in the post you quoted that hashing is one-way, you repeating doesn't make you look smarter it just makes it look like you didn't read the entire post. Are you saying only hashing is mathematical and all encryption is not mathematical?

Sure "encryption" specifically, by definition, is a two way process but the only significant difference between the two, encryption and hashing, is hashing is one-way ... no decoding algorithm available ... both can be used for passwords although passwords are mostly only encrypted in transit and hashed on the other end.

I've done Unix/Linux kernel, driver, network, database, application, VMWare, KVM and much more development since the early 90s, a lot of Fortran and assembly for a decade or so before that on various platforms. I don't consider myself an "expert" in any of them but I did persuade Linus and Andrew Morton to fix a couple issues in the kernel memory management code ... many years ago.
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I did read your post, you were simply incorrect. Hashing is not one-way encryption, because encryption is 2-way. Hashing and encryption and similar, but distinct.

Further, if you wanted to keep it simple and still be correct, you could have simply not mentioned passwords in your original post that I replied to.

Hashing being one way, and encryption being two way, is a very important difference. My reference to hashing being a "one-way (mathematical)" function was to remove ambiguity over whether I meant a program function.

I have a BS in Mathematics with a minor in CS, and have been working on commercial UNIX and Linux Systems since the mid-late 90s. I have a good amount of experience in designing and managing HA clusters, Nutanix hypervisor and storage solutions, KVM, Linux kernel tuning, Java G1GC, tuning and other things I'm forgetting or don't care to mention. I'm a Sr. Linux systems engineer working in HFT and ULL.
 
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748rpilot said:
I have a BS in Mathematics with a minor in CS, and have been working on commercial UNIX and Linux Systems since the mid-late 90s. I have a good amount of experience in designing and managing HA clusters, Nutanix hypervisor and storage solutions, KVM, Linux kernel tuning, Java G1GC, tuning and other things I'm forgetting or don't care to mention. I'm a Sr. Linux systems engineer working in HFT and ULL.
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I know some of these words…..
 
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748rpilot said:
I did read your post, you were simply incorrect. Hashing is not one-way encryption, because encryption is 2-way. Hashing and encryption and similar, but distinct.

Further, if you wanted to keep it simple and still be correct, you could have simply not mentioned passwords in your original post that I replied to.

Hashing being one way, and encryption being two way, is a very important difference. My reference to hashing being a "one-way (mathematical)" function was to remove ambiguity over whether I meant a program function.

I have a BS in Mathematics with a minor in CS, and have been working on commercial UNIX and Linux Systems since the mid-late 90s. I have a good amount of experience in designing and managing HA clusters, Nutanix hypervisor and storage solutions, KVM, Linux kernel tuning, Java G1GC, tuning and other things I'm forgetting or don't care to mention. I'm a Sr. Linux systems engineer working in HFT and ULL.
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It's not an important difference to 98.386562% of the people on this forum.

Show me on the doll where I hurt you.

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Gee Kay said:
questions, whats the speed of the (probably getting the terminology wrong) hammer dropping, ejecting the round, reloading and hammer dropping again, how fast can that happen between rounds? full auto different to semi auto speed? has anyone talked about this yet?
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Kinda depends on who you are.

Jump to 18:30 and pay attention or you might miss it.

 
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Break out the tinfoil…
I’m trying my best to believe there was only one shooter, and still do. But here’s a take I hadn’t heard. Apparently Kim Cheatle was wrong again when she claimed the CS team was inside the building he was on, they weren’t. It was the adjacent building, with the second floor window open (makes sense) but they would have heard the people right outside their window?



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Attention CBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, MSN: 2nd shooter (the Deep State Sniper in open window on 2nd floor, see post above) took ONE SHOT two shots - one to hit Trump and one too silence Crooks.
First one to pick this up WINS.

Looking at picture above, he crawled the length of the roof in front of the 2nd floor break room window?
Or climbed up the tall ladder (which wasn't in place until after the shooting, maybe)?
 
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southernpew said:
Break out the tinfoil…
I’m trying my best to believe there was only one shooter, and still do. But here’s a take I hadn’t heard. Apparently Kim Cheatle was wrong again when she claimed the CS team was inside the building he was on, they weren’t. It was the adjacent building, with the second floor window open (makes sense) but they would have heard the people right outside their window?



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I wonder if the DJI drone "no fly zones" for the nearby airport kept him out of the air?
That is if the really found a drone in the "Ve-hi-cle".
Article says the Sonata, not the van or U-Haul.
I have a few Hubsan, non-cellular drones that don't have built in restrictions.
 
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doubloon said:
Pretty much.

I think, BTW, the term you were looking for earlier is ROF, rate of fire.

Somewhere out there is a video of Jerry either outrunning or keeping up with a bump stock or maybe a FRT ... I forget
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It's Jerry M out running a fully automatic m4/16.

ROF is max 800 on a brace btw. No idea on frt. 900 on a auto m4.
 
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Haha, I’m not claiming there was another shooter. Just stirring the pot. If you actually watch the video, the second window away from that one outlined in red also appears to be open. Which if there was a CS team in there, makes sense to me.
He does play a video from the crowd which captured the first string of shots, the first 3 does sound suppressed or from a greater distance (from that video clip @ 17:34), but I am by no means an expert.

I’m just having a hard time believing that a 20 year old kid didn’t have an online presence
 
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southernpew said:
Haha, I’m not claiming there was another shooter. Just stirring the pot. If you actually watch the video, the second window away from that one outlined in red also appears to be open. Which if there was a CS team in there, makes sense to me.
He does play a video from the crowd which captured the first string of shots, the first 3 does sound suppressed or from a greater distance (from that video clip @ 17:34), but I am by no means an expert.

I’m just having a hard time believing that a 20 year old kid didn’t have an online presence
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He doesn’t have one anymore.
 
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southernpew said:
Break out the tinfoil…
I’m trying my best to believe there was only one shooter, and still do. But here’s a take I hadn’t heard. Apparently Kim Cheatle was wrong again when she claimed the CS team was inside the building he was on, they weren’t. It was the adjacent building, with the second floor window open (makes sense) but they would have heard the people right outside their window?



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I'm watching this and I'm sitting here thinking about all of the crap that was missed. Absolutely amazing that the media outlets position the body in the wrong position with respect to the roof. It's as if they had that footage ahead of time, and it always bothered me as to why that drawing/image showed crooks in the wrong spot on the roof. Just didn't jive with live camera shots and video footage taken by folks on the ground.

Now you add the water tower and 2nd floor window angle, and it soon becomes apparent that things are not what they want you to believe.

It will be interesting how the .gov will dick with forensics to make a real fake of the whole thing. I really doubt these dei assholes can pull it off.

Imagine how this would have gone down if all of those cameras weren't recording in real time.
 
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Rocketvapor said:
Butler township police climb up, see shooter, then drop out.
This is of course an area that they were NOT assigned to protect.
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www.thegatewaypundit.com

ASSASSIN EYE-WITNESS: Police Are Lying about Rooftop Confrontation of Alleged Sniper - "The Guys on the Second Floor Were Watching - But They Didn't Do Anything!" | The Gateway Pundit | by Benjamin Wetmore

Last Saturday, in Butler, Pennsylvania, President Trump was shot in the ear and narrowly saved from a fatal head wound from an assassin’s bullet.
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Attempted Assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks Flew Drone Over Trump Rally Site on Day of Shooting - 2 Cell Phones, Laptop and USB Drives Being Reviewed - The Last Refuge

The FBI are in charge of the investigation of Thomas Matthew Crooks; that does not inspire any confidence. However, it does explain the seemingly controlled leaking of information to the various media sources in order to keep the eyes of the public exactly where the investigators want them. In...
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The details the FBI are leaking, essentially a narrative they are intentionally constructing every day, is essentially trying to give the appearance of gross incompetence as an explanation for what happened.

We appear to be watching the FBI create and sell a ‘mistakes were made’ narrative every day.

I’m not sure the public is buying it.
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How many here could GoogleMaps the area, walk around the grounds staying away from check points and MAP out where everything is?
Without a Drone.

.gov doesn't like citizens having drones.
.gov doesn't like DJI and Chinese data collection from flight data.

I also like how the Range Finder was identified as a GOLF device and not a Ballistic Range Finder.
(I bet some didn't even know that range finding for shooting was a thing).
 
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So the USSS shot was “one-in-a-million” due to an “obstructed view” of the shooter. I guess it was the roof slope and the shooter had VERY little sky-lining.

So a 20yr old snaps off a few rounds, gets a hit (not a kill shot)…..and EVERYONE is saying he wasn’t the best shot or didn’t know what he was doing????? I’ll add to it they are saying he was RUSHED to shoot as the LEO spotted him, the shooter pointed the rifle at the LEO (by LEO admission).

Man….talk about dodging a bullet. We just can’t see HOW close this was to a REALLY bad election cycle for the USA.
 
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I also like how the Range Finder was identified as a GOLF device and not a Ballistic Range Finder.
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How different is a Golf device for ranging different than a shooting/ballistic range finder. Okay…sure I can program in some bullet comp data. If all I want is the target range…..both devices would still do the same thing right??

Vortex Rangefinders

For all your hunting, shooting, and golf needs.
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Garmin Approach® Z82 Golf Range Finder | GPS Rangefinder

Approach® Z82 is a golf laser range finder preloaded with more than 41,000 courses and includes full color courseview maps overlaid in the viewfinder.
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I have a feeling that being "kicked off" the high school shooting team was NOT because being a bad shot (wouldn't you work with someone to help them) but because some "attitude" issue. Bad shot was an excuse.

This "depressive disorder" was probably diagnosed and the parents knew about it.
Thus the "Oh shit" can't find my boy and one of my AR's.
 
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I’m just having a hard time believing that a 20 year old kid didn’t have an online presence
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This! Is the most disturbing part of the whole thing for me.

Not that anyone can't make a conscious effort to keep their electronic foot print small but that this 20 year old kid would have the presence of mind to do it and would have to have been doing it his whole life to have virtually no footprint at all.

All the 2nd shooter, 3rd team, water tower, wind, ladder and other chatter is just noise distracting people from the things that matter.
 
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Rocketvapor said:
I have a feeling that being "kicked off" the high school shooting team was NOT because being a bad shot (wouldn't you work with someone to help them) but because some "attitude" issue. Bad shot was an excuse.

This "depressive disorder" was probably diagnosed and the parents knew about it.
Thus the "Oh shit" can't find my boy and one of my AR's.
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Kicked off because: he threatened to shoot up the school at some point?
Not a good idea to “give” this guy a gun!
 
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How different is a Golf device for ranging different than a shooting/ballistic range finder. Okay…sure I can program in some bullet comp data. If all I want is the target range…..both devices would still do the same thing right??

Vortex Rangefinders

For all your hunting, shooting, and golf needs.
vortexoptics.com vortexoptics.com

www.garmin.com

Garmin Approach® Z82 Golf Range Finder | GPS Rangefinder

Approach® Z82 is a golf laser range finder preloaded with more than 41,000 courses and includes full color courseview maps overlaid in the viewfinder.
www.garmin.com www.garmin.com
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It depends on the device. Some are laser like the ones you linked but some give a range based on the height of a standard hole flag similar to optics with reticles that give you a distance estimate based on the height of an animal.

But to your point, for the laser ones there is virtually no practical difference.

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