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Was talking about 22lr rimfire models. My CF 10’s are great shooters.Mine aren’t. Not my Model 110 Storm, nor my 93R17, and most assuredly not my Model 12 LRPV.
Got it ! Not familiar with the Savage 22 models, but I will say that I have fun ( and no problems) with my 17 HMR.Was talking about 22lr rimfire models. My CF 10’s are great shooters.
True. But it’s luck of the draw, maybe you get one that shoots sub MOA and maybe you get another one that shoots 2 MOA. There’s also more that a premium rifle brings to the table besides the groups it shoots, a lot of things.There’s plenty of rifles that don’t cost $5K or $1.5K that run reliably and shoot sub MOA though.
Within reason, yes. And anyone can tell me to shut the hell up since the most expensive rifles I own are from Windham Weaponry, i.e., not very expensive.True. But it’s luck of the draw, maybe you get one that shoots sub MOA and maybe you get another one that shoots 2 MOA. There’s also more that a premium rifle brings to the table besides the groups it shoots, a lot of things.
Five? Your pull out game sux.I’m not a savage fan. Did actually consider the elite precision, but it didn’t grab me. I ended up with a bergara b14 hmr. It works for me. My mom has a savage 110 in 22-250 that is a legit tack driver. It’s very impressive. I am admittedly a poor. I’m raising 5 kids and putting them through a private school, so, priorities…I may not have the most expensive rifles, but I will raise good, God fearing people that will live right and vote right.
True. But it’s luck of the draw, maybe you get one that shoots sub MOA and maybe you get another one that shoots 2 MOA. There’s also more that a premium rifle brings to the table besides the groups it shoots, a lot of things.
I get it. I started with a Ruger Precision rifle when they first came out. I put a LRI barrel on it and it was a 1/2 MOA rifle on a square range off a bench. Later, I upgraded and everything was easier and more consistent.Within reason, yes. And anyone can tell me to shut the hell up since the most expensive rifles I own are from Windham Weaponry, i.e., not very expensive.
What makes a costlier rifle better is the time spent on it. With mass produced rifles, you will get some that crappy threads where the rail mounts. Once in a blue moon, you get a barrel that curves inside.
But guys owning expensive rifles are never buying off the shelf. They are buying separate pieces costing a couple of grand or more, mostly because of the QC. Like it or not, cheap versus expensive rifle, you, the buyer, are paying for duds to be thrown out.
Even the great barrel makers are going to get failures. And they throw those away and you never see them. But the cost of the trashed barrels is in the overall price because of the time it took to work on it, diagnose the failure and make the effort to trash it and start with a new one. More time, more money. But also a better guarantee that the product is performing to spec. So, when you pay for a single cut Bartlein that was hand-lapped, that is what you get. You will pay for it but you will also have assurance that the barrel is going to perform.
Same with the action that is bought. With mass production, there could be a few where the screw holes for the pic rail do not line up. Or the threads are boogered. They don't shoot at a 100 yard range, They shoot into a tank just to make sure the gun doesn't fail or explode.
But even expensive stuff can be faulty. But, again, the cry once buy once has advantages. Buy a cheap rifle that doesn't run well and it may be difficult to sell it just for what you paid. The next copy might shoot bug holes.
That being said, my cheapest rifle shoots great.
And that is the other thing, too, about spending some money for premium parts. I have made some cheap rifles shoot really well, mainly by moving them to a chassis. Which takes such a rifle out of the strict "budget" realm. So, I also agree, instead of having a bunch of cheap rifles, spend less money in the long run with a few choice rigs.I get it. I started with a Ruger Precision rifle when they first came out. I put a LRI barrel on it and it was a 1/2 MOA rifle on a square range off a bench. Later, I upgraded and everything was easier and more consistent.
If you’re serious about getting better then you should spend as much as you can afford, that’s obviously different for everyone.
I’ve got a friend with three safes full of Cabbalas junk. He’s spent a lot of money and has nothing to show for it.
I’ve sold two premium rifles here for what I paid for them and that’s after putting a couple thousand rounds through each.
I agree with that, too.I enjoyed breaking out the savage axis in a jb weld filled factory stock, modified trigger spring, on a tuned hand load that was pretty consistently sub .5moa. Not including the optic I had about $250 wrapped in in that rifle.
What was really interesting is I got it cheap because the person who sold it to me couldn't hit minute of barn with the shit aguil they were feeding it. Which I confirmed with the rounds that came with it.
right ammo and a solid chassi can do alot.