Eotech vs Acog vs razor 1-6
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Well it's a 10.3 so most close to mid, home defense , etc. I leaning heavily to the eotech and 3x magnifier for the wider FOV
I seen this rig and I really like it but for CQB nothing beats eotech
I'll take an aim point over an eotech any day.
Have you considered a prism and rds combo?
Have you considered a prism and rds combo?
Why not throw a magnifier on a QD mount behind your current setup?
If you want to spend more $$ get matching Unity mounts for both while you’re at it.
If you want to spend more $$ get matching Unity mounts for both while you’re at it.
Fair enough, but I will say, they’ve come a long way over the past few years and higher-end versions are quite good.
For that limited list, and for that upper, I’d just leave the red dot (Aimpoint?) on there, or if you want a bigger FOV, get a Trijicon MRO. They’re great, but for me personally I prefer almost anything over an Eotech.
However, if the fuzzy reticle and dot doesn’t bother you an Eotech is a great choice…my son loves ‘em and we have them on both the uppers for his SBR:
I do like LPVOs paired with a micro red dot a lot though, very fast to shoot, and the LPVO really helps me reach out beyond 100 yards now that my old-ass eyes are starting to suck. I normally offset them on my rifles/uppers, as shown on the middle rifle in this really poorly photographed cell phone pic:
Bottom one is another one that my son uses… again, he loves Eotech red dots, but I just can’t get past the fuzzy reticle.
Here’s another that I LOVE to shoot for shorter strings of fire…12.5” with an LPVO and offset red dot, but under a 15” hand guard with a large inner diameter so I can run the can partially recessed under the hand guard…allows me to get my support hand farther forward, but still run a shorter barrel.
It gets real hot, real fast though, and you have to remove the hand guard to remove/service the can though, so understand your use case before doing something like this.
I do have one upper with an ACOG, but it has a red dot mounted on top…it’s my second-favorite upper to shoot with on NVGs:
…which brings me full circle back to your question. My favorite upper right now has a red dot and magnifier on tall Unity mounts. For me, this is the perfect combination for a short SBR/pistol like your 10.3” upper:
If that’s an actual Aimpoint on yours, for me personally I wouldn’t change a thing, except to maybe change out the riser and add a matching magnifier on a QD mount. I love Aimpoint red dots though, so that does influence my preferences.
If you want to reach out past 100 yards regularly…and a 10.3” is perfectly fine for that…personally I’d go LPVO > ACOG, but I’d also mount a red dot; either offset, or on top of one of the scope rings.
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Another big fan of the Eotech. If your primary use is CQB/50 yards and in shooting nothing will be as fast as a red dot/holographic sight. And although I'm generally not a fan of magnifiers, the Eotech magnifies better than most other red dots.
I would skip the LPVO since it's heavy and just won't be as fast as a dot, unless shooting out to 400+ yards is something important to you.
And, if you are thinking about an ACOG, I would just get a micro prism instead. They are lighter and shorter and generally have an adjustable diopter. Also, I think the eye relief will be slightly better. And they will be way cheaper.
I would skip the LPVO since it's heavy and just won't be as fast as a dot, unless shooting out to 400+ yards is something important to you.
And, if you are thinking about an ACOG, I would just get a micro prism instead. They are lighter and shorter and generally have an adjustable diopter. Also, I think the eye relief will be slightly better. And they will be way cheaper.
Is it going to be more close range or more mid range and how do you define mid range?
As far as the Eotech goes, I'd put it out of my mind, unless you have a specific reason for wanting one. If you don't run night vision, it is chunky and heavy with a relatively short battery life for what it is. Unless things have changed, you can't just leave it on either. Shoot, even if you do run night vision, I wouldn't go Eotech unless you run it a lot and it offers you something that an Aimpoint or Romeo 4t doesn't.
You also don't need to spend Eotech money on a 3x magnifier. It's a 3x magnifier. Just about impossible to get wrong unless you try to. In use, I have a hard time telling the difference between an Eotech and a Sig Juliet.
The Razor is nice. Very nice, but again, it's heavy. If you aren't ever going to be running around with it or spending hours in a day running drills and practicing, you may not notice it. In actual use, it's hard to find fault with the 1-6 Razor. The only downside is that I consider it's robustness to be questionable. I suspect that the tube is thin and I've actually seen a few of the wire reticles fail. Of course, that's been over the course of a lot of years.
These days I value robustness first and performance second. I run two 11.5 rigs. One wears a 1-8x NX8 and the other an ACOG with a red dot on top. I grab the rig with the ACOG the most. It's just plain simple and bullet proof.
If 80% of your shooting is within 100 yards, there's nothing wrong with the Romeo 5 it looked like you're running. They are tougher than many give them credit for. Throw a magnifier behind it for the longer shots. If you go to 300 or 400 pretty often, the ACOG is the way to go.
On the other hand, as far as the actual shooting experience goes, the Razor probably covers all bases the best. It just wouldn't be the optic on my goto rig.
I was thinking "truck gun" so I picked the ACOG out of your choices. I have an LPVO on mine but it is FFP, a must have for me. The ACOG is old school I know but it is a good 0 - 400 compromise, is better than SFP, and needs no batteries. Red dot is real fast close but slows me down at range. Targets are hard to see and my eyes aren't what they used to be. I don't own a magnifier and have used them very little so my viewpoint is a bit skewed.
I should have mentioned something about the ACOG stack. Having the red dot that high up kind of sucks for fast successive shots. Like putting 3 on target at beyond 25 yards. The height will mess with your recoil control, unless you practice with it.
On the other hand, having the red dot that high makes for a more comfortable searching/scanning posture and a very fast and natural first shot. At living room distance, it's just as fast, if not faster for successive shots. I like the ACOG stack a lot. Besides that, I doubt that you'd be able to break it, unless you tried.
I run Holosun EPS sights on my ACOGs. Small, sealed and won't break the bank. The dots on mine are very crisp as well.
Yeah, that's what I meant by you can't leave it on. When you're out using it, it isn't such a big deal because you're invariably going to be making brightness adjustments and resetting the timer. You just can't count on it being ready to go when you grab it. Eh, it's a habit/training issue.
I did a quick revisit with a different mount setup for a magnifier after quite a few years. After mounting the gun one time, I sighed the same "fuck this shit" feeling came rushing over me.
I ordered a EXPS 3 and G33 was %15 off, eotech was the first red dot I used in the army, Iraq 2005 also used aimpoint and acog, acog was nice for a m4 and longer distance but eotech was the fastest up close, room clearing hands down, I hated the acog for room clearing aimpoint was OK for everything better than irons alone good with fsp lollipop
There has been lots of mention of the ACOG and as usual, the assumption is that we're talking about the TA31, 4x. Many forget that there are other ACOGs. My preferred is the TA11, 3.5x model. A little heavier, but still lighter than an LPVO; a little bigger, but still smaller than an LPVO; a little less field of view, but still more than an LPVO and the extra eye relief makes a big difference in the shooting experience. I am also hard pressed to see the difference in magnification between a ta11 and ta31. The TA11 is also great at low light situations.
The only time I use the NX8 is when I think I'll just plain need more magnification.
This is not directed at you but noting the date...
In 20 DAMN years (and in many cases about 10 years) where we've shrunk most everything by 1/2....or doubled the power/capability.....HOW THE FUCK is the G33 still arguably the magnifier standard?
Given that the answer is: "they're making magnified optics" should speak volumes but theoretically speaking, I do wonder if a better magnifier options wouldn't change the dynamic.
If I was going to spend eotech money on a magnifier, the g33 is what I'd go for as well, for all of the same reasons. Trying to get eye relief on a compact magnifier is worse than a 4x acog.
I have run all three optics so here it goes.
I have had multiples of LPVOs. I am down to one currently (1-8 ATACR) and I am going to sell it. After taking some more classes (Rifles only, with Bruiser) I am now in the camp where I would like 1.8 to 2 times magnification versus the range I am shooting at. If I am going to have an AR setup like a DMR it is going to be 15 plus magnification on the top end.
I currently have two rifles with ACOG TA 02s (it is the led version) and both of the ACOGs have an Dot at 12 o'clock. I like the simplicity, weight, durability, dependability of the system. Site them in at 25, confirm at 300 and on both rifles I am good to go to 500. One of them is a truck gun where I take opportunity shots at things like pigs and coyotes. Another is a for fun rifle that I just plink with.
My go to rifle is 16" AR with an Eotech EXPS3-2 with the 5x magnifier. With this setup I use an inline thermal clip on and it is the go to fun for hog hunting. Like the ACOG, I can make hits with the rifle out to 500 yards with little problem. Unlike the ACOG, the Eotech is forgiving in terms of where you are behind the optic (no nose to charging handle). I also don't have to worry about banging my tubes on the LPVO or the ACOG with the Eotech. Because of the night hunting, thermal and nods it is really hard to beat the Eotech. The NV setting on the rifle work really well with my pvs 14 tubes. In addition, I have no problem seeing the reticle through either the Nox or Iray clip on thermal.
You could easily use another dot site like an Aimpoint, I just prefer the Eotech largely for head position and fov.
I have had multiples of LPVOs. I am down to one currently (1-8 ATACR) and I am going to sell it. After taking some more classes (Rifles only, with Bruiser) I am now in the camp where I would like 1.8 to 2 times magnification versus the range I am shooting at. If I am going to have an AR setup like a DMR it is going to be 15 plus magnification on the top end.
I currently have two rifles with ACOG TA 02s (it is the led version) and both of the ACOGs have an Dot at 12 o'clock. I like the simplicity, weight, durability, dependability of the system. Site them in at 25, confirm at 300 and on both rifles I am good to go to 500. One of them is a truck gun where I take opportunity shots at things like pigs and coyotes. Another is a for fun rifle that I just plink with.
My go to rifle is 16" AR with an Eotech EXPS3-2 with the 5x magnifier. With this setup I use an inline thermal clip on and it is the go to fun for hog hunting. Like the ACOG, I can make hits with the rifle out to 500 yards with little problem. Unlike the ACOG, the Eotech is forgiving in terms of where you are behind the optic (no nose to charging handle). I also don't have to worry about banging my tubes on the LPVO or the ACOG with the Eotech. Because of the night hunting, thermal and nods it is really hard to beat the Eotech. The NV setting on the rifle work really well with my pvs 14 tubes. In addition, I have no problem seeing the reticle through either the Nox or Iray clip on thermal.
You could easily use another dot site like an Aimpoint, I just prefer the Eotech largely for head position and fov.
Came in today from PA , i am extremely happy with it. The image clarity is great makes 100 and 200 range targets actually visible for me to aquire and make hits with confidence. I dont see taking it past 200 yards maybe 300 I feel I could make that shot , without a magnifier no way i could see that far. Im blind in my left eye and have pretty bad right eye.
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3-0 I didn't want a cluttered reticle, one of the reason why I wanted eotech was for the 1 moa dot, i did put my holosun 403r in front of the G33 and it was very nice also. I'm sure I could have got by cheaper but I wouldn't have been happy with made in China optics. I know some of that stuff is good but I just hate it on my AR's
Good going. For your stated purpose, I think you hit the nail on the head. You can get cr123s pretty cheap online or at a sams club or something. Just keep them on hand. I'd just zero it at 2 or 300 and call it a day.
Man, after seeing this thread, I went and looked at the Eotechs again. Despite all of my above arguments against them, I'm kinda feeling an itch. I just put together an 11.5 lightweight upper to be a dedicated suppressor host and an eotech would be really cool on top of that.
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