New Bolt Action Comp Ready Rifle on the Market.

[quadking2003]

Kelblys just brought out a PRS rifle that once they sell 50 will meet all the production requirements. If I know anything about Kelblys the fact they have over 82 confirmed world records confirms they known what they are doing and produce quality products. They are also offering 10 percent off just use the code guncon25 not positive how long that will be good but I know Gun Con is June 28th in Ohio. I attached a link direct to the Element Rifle, they have a pretty sweet setup you can build completely out with optic, brake and bipod even. I actually have one on order myself and can't wait to get my hands on it. The rebarrels are even a bit cheaper than MPA we all know of your a PRS shooter ever little bit you can save adds up. Slide on over and check them out.

https://kelbly.com/precision-element-rifle/

 

[oldrifleman]

Yeah looks interesting but personally does not meet what I would expect from Kelby. My disappointment stems from the action. Non-integral recoil lug and Rail. I understand that they were trying to keep cost down but just not what expected from them.

 

[Terry Cross]

Yeah looks interesting but personally does not meet what I would expect from Kelby. My disappointment stems from the action. Non-integral recoil lug and Rail. I understand that they were trying to keep cost down but just not what expected from them.

The price point they are trying to meet will drive some feature sets.
Non integrated lug and rail falls into that decision tree with zero negatives.

Properly done, separate lug and rail is bomb proof.
Actually, if I were designing a new action from scratch I would have non-integral lug and rail with no concerns.

 

[oldrifleman]

Ok, I guess I was off bas and as I said I understand about price point.

 

[TheBigCountry]

The price point they are trying to meet will drive some feature sets.
Non integrated lug and rail falls into that decision tree with zero negatives.

Properly done, separate lug and rail is bomb proof.
Actually, if I were designing a new action from scratch I would have non-integral lug and rail with no concerns.

Hey Terry

I’m gonna ask cuz I’m genuinely curious

Why would you opt for a non-intergalactic lug and rail for a new action? Correct me if I read that wrong.

 

[Terry Cross]

Hey Terry

I’m gonna ask cuz I’m genuinely curious

Why would you opt for a non-intergalactic lug and rail for a new action?

This is just my opinion based on my use and preferences . . . .


By nature, integrally machined rails are almost 100% of the time limited to the length of the receiver and are a fixed height.

Pic rails machined to match a slick top receiver can be:

Perfectly matched for clean access to the ejection port the same as an integrally machined feature.
Can be of a correct height to be co-linear with front NV rails.
Can be designed as a longer monolithic rail to extend from the rear of the receiver to the front of the forend.
Allow cleaner and less expensive machining of the host receiver.
Using screws and locator pins can be exceptionally robust. If you tear one of these off, you likely have already trashed your optic and have bigger problems.

Non-integral recoil lugs that are pinned or keyed offer the same rigidity as an integrated one.
They most definitely are not going to move or shift since they are sandwiched between the receiver face and barrel shoulder.
Again, they allow cleaner and less expensive machining of the host receiver.

Integrally machined rails and lugs are one of those things that offer advantages on a technical paper but in reality any advantages are lost in the noise of actual use even in a high end precision competition environment.

Correct me if I read that wrong.

I don't think there is a right or wrong here.
Actions with integrally machined features aren't going anywhere. They are popular and they work. I just think there are benefits offered with little or no penalty by manufacturing them as a 3 piece assembly.

In fact I think you will see almost 100% of the offerings go this way (integral features) as more and more actions migrate to production 3D printing.

Kelbly's operate at a higher than average "rifle" IQ. Their vast experience and manufacturing expertise are at the top of the heap. Anybody thinking that Kelbly is dropping quality or lowering standards to offer their new action/rifle package is simply not looking at the big picture. They have and will continue to offer some of the best actions. Their Element was simply their best effort to offer a more affordable package without compromising performance. Their quality and top tier actions aren't going anywhere.

 

[TheBigCountry]

This is just my opinion based on my use and preferences . . . .


By nature, integrally machined rails are almost 100% of the time limited to the length of the receiver and are a fixed height.

Pic rails machined to match a slick top receiver can be:

Perfectly matched for clean access to the ejection port the same as an integrally machined feature.
Can be of a correct height to be co-linear with front NV rails.
Can be designed as a longer monolithic rail to extend from the rear of the receiver to the front of the forend.
Allow cleaner and less expensive machining of the host receiver.
Using screws and locator pins can be exceptionally robust. If you tear one of these off, you likely have already trashed your optic and have bigger problems.

Non-integral recoil lugs that are pinned or keyed offer the same rigidity as an integrated one.
They most definitely are not going to move or shift since they are sandwiched between the receiver face and barrel shoulder.
Again, they allow cleaner and less expensive machining of the host receiver.

Integrally machined rails and lugs are one of those things that offer advantages on a technical paper but in reality any advantages are lost in the noise of actual use even in a high end precision competition environment.


I don't think there is a right or wrong here.
Actions with integrally machined features aren't going anywhere. They are popular and they work. I just think there are benefits offered with little or no penalty by manufacturing them as a 3 piece assembly.

In fact I think you will see almost 100% of the offerings go this way as more and more actions migrate to production 3D printing.

View attachment 8715210

Kelbly's operate at a higher than average "rifle" IQ. Their vast experience and manufacturing expertise are at the top of the heap. Anybody thinking that Kelbly is dropping quality or lowering standards to offer their new action/rifle package is simply not looking at the big picture. They have and will continue to offer some of the best actions. Their Element was simply their best effort to offer a more affordable package without compromising performance. Their quality and top tier actions aren't going anywhere.

Thank you for the rundown Terry, and a lot to what you said makes sense. Keep up the great work!

 

[ShtrRdy]

That looks sweet to me. I wouldn't require an integral rail and lug. The lug is dual-pinned and the rail is held with 8-32 screws.

 

[Evlshnngns]

Using a preferred barrel blank.

Let us know how it shoots.

 

[diggler1833]

This is just my opinion based on my use and preferences . . . .


By nature, integrally machined rails are almost 100% of the time limited to the length of the receiver and are a fixed height.

Pic rails machined to match a slick top receiver can be:

Perfectly matched for clean access to the ejection port the same as an integrally machined feature.
Can be of a correct height to be co-linear with front NV rails.
Can be designed as a longer monolithic rail to extend from the rear of the receiver to the front of the forend.
Allow cleaner and less expensive machining of the host receiver.
Using screws and locator pins can be exceptionally robust. If you tear one of these off, you likely have already trashed your optic and have bigger problems.

Non-integral recoil lugs that are pinned or keyed offer the same rigidity as an integrated one.
They most definitely are not going to move or shift since they are sandwiched between the receiver face and barrel shoulder.
Again, they allow cleaner and less expensive machining of the host receiver.

Integrally machined rails and lugs are one of those things that offer advantages on a technical paper but in reality any advantages are lost in the noise of actual use even in a high end precision competition environment.


I don't think there is a right or wrong here.
Actions with integrally machined features aren't going anywhere. They are popular and they work. I just think there are benefits offered with little or no penalty by manufacturing them as a 3 piece assembly.

In fact I think you will see almost 100% of the offerings go this way (integral features) as more and more actions migrate to production 3D printing.

View attachment 8715210

Kelbly's operate at a higher than average "rifle" IQ. Their vast experience and manufacturing expertise are at the top of the heap. Anybody thinking that Kelbly is dropping quality or lowering standards to offer their new action/rifle package is simply not looking at the big picture. They have and will continue to offer some of the best actions. Their Element was simply their best effort to offer a more affordable package without compromising performance. Their quality and top tier actions aren't going anywhere.

I got to see one of those actions the other day in Matt's shop (I'm assuming this is one of Preston's).

If you're inletting a Zealot for one, I might be coming up with an idea. We were joking about some knucklehead showing up at regional F-Class matches with the most tactical thing out there...

 

[Terry Cross]

I got to see one of those actions the other day in Matt's shop (I'm assuming this is one of Preston's).

That would be it.
Tell Matt I said Hi next time you see him.

If you're inletting a Zealot for one,

In process

I might be coming up with an idea. We were joking about some knucklehead showing up at regional F-Class matches with the most tactical thing out there...

Well, somebody's got to do it!

 

[diggler1833]

That would be it.
Tell Matt I said Hi next time you see him.

In process


Well, somebody's got to do it!

Please tell me that one of those actions might end up in a Sentinel with IMB... I saw the extra work necessary around the action screws and wings, so I'm not suggesting that you should go out of your way to accommodate my wishes. But a fella can dream...

Will be picking up my most recent SPR with new 6CM barrel from Matt soon. We spent some time comparing my CRB blank to the others he had on hand. I feel bad every time I go there because I end up distracting him for quite a bit of time.

 

[Terry Cross]

Please tell me that one of those actions might end up in a Sentinel with IMB... I saw the extra work necessary around the action screws and wings, so I'm not suggesting that you should go out of your way to accommodate my wishes. But a fella can dream...

Working on a Gen III mold for the SENTINEL.
Doing the mods for the Actual Blade will depend on how many of those they end up producing.
It would be a neat trick for sure.

Will be picking up my most recent SPR with new 6CM barrel from Matt soon. We spent some time comparing my CRB blank to the others he had on hand. I feel bad every time I go there because I end up distracting him for quite a bit of time.

Matt is such a good dude. Does immaculate work and works so hard. Tickles me to see him do well.

 

[TheBigCountry]

Please tell me that one of those actions might end up in a Sentinel with IMB... I saw the extra work necessary around the action screws and wings, so I'm not suggesting that you should go out of your way to accommodate my wishes. But a fella can dream...

Will be picking up my most recent SPR with new 6CM barrel from Matt soon. We spent some time comparing my CRB blank to the others he had on hand. I feel bad every time I go there because I end up distracting him for quite a bit of time.

Get in line

Lol