Elon Musk announces the "American Party"

[LuckyDuck]

I'm strangely ok with this....

The American two party system is in dire need of a disruption as I see it and I'm looking forward to seeing what Elon, our closets to a real-life Bond villain, can bring to the table.

Too early to tell whether I'm behind their platform but I'm comfortable in getting behind their disruption if nothing else.

Let's shake things up!

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

There's already a thread started on the topic.
Thread 'I’m not going to say I told you so, but…' https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/i’m-not-going-to-say-i-told-you-so-but….7262259/

But it's the PIT so four more threads by noon should be average

 

[LuckyDuck]

There's already a thread started on the topic.
Thread 'I’m not going to say I told you so, but…' https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/i’m-not-going-to-say-i-told-you-so-but….7262259/

But it's the PIT so four more threads by noon should be average

Yeah I just saw that- but like you said it's the PIT so we'll fight it out.

Truth be told- I did search before posting so we'll see how it shapes out, the gods honest 1st post from @akmike47 (hey are you still talking to me fyi) with the more opaque title or mine which was posted something like 18 minutes later but with a more specific title.

Time will tell?

Either way- I stand by my original statement. I think Elon Musk is an honest to goodness present day "Bond villain" or at least the closest I've ever seen. He's got more money than God & everything he does seems to be focused on getting us further than we ever had dreamed about achieving in space (that much I can fully support).

As far as his platform for the American party... reckon we'll just have to wait and see. I wish him luck either way. I had hopes with the Tea Party a decade or so ago but maybe Elon can encompass some of that with his wealth. Just like with Trump, I'm oddly ok with billionaires running for political office these days because if nothing else, they aren't 'bought' by other companies and reckon that's the least evil.

Wild times we're living in.

-LD

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

There's a thing from many years ago in the Pit that was started by The Cunning Linguist where the thread title was obscure and maybe a bit of a cypher to the topic. Some still continue this tradition in honor of that member. Personally I hope that continues.

 

[LuckyDuck]

There's a thing from many years ago in the Pit that was started by The Cunning Linguist where the thread title was obscure and maybe a bit of a cypher to the topic. Some still continue this tradition in honor of that member. Personally I hope that continues.

Before my time I'm sure. Love the name "cunning linguist" though... appreciate you bringing me up to speed though.... hey you & I might become fast friends after all!

-LD

 

[Green461]

Probably all pre-planned. Step 1, Trump and Elon create fight to save Elons business and get the left off his back. Step 2... create new method to insure Elon gets elected for pres.. or whoever they both decide. All while pretending to have a feud and hate trump. lol.. Its amazing how regardless of how much the media and govt lies that people will just eat up anything they say still. Its all theater. And used to be quite common among great friends to see who could insult the other the best. Americans have this problem where they always have this "what will other people think" on their mind., its like we've been raised and conditioned to think that way. Most successful people do not think this way, that is why its funny to them insulting each other and just a game, they really dont care and it affects them in no way at all, they both lose no sleep.

 

[alpine44]

Probably all pre-planned. Step 1, Trump and Elon create fight to save Elons business and get the left off his back. Step 2... create new method to insure Elon gets elected for pres.. or whoever they both decide. All while pretending to have a feud and hate trump. lol.. Its amazing how regardless of how much the media and govt lies that people will just eat up anything they say still. Its all theater. And used to be quite common among great friends to see who could insult the other the best. Americans have this problem where they always have this "what will other people think" on their mind., its like we've been raised and conditioned to think that way. Most successful people do not think this way, that is why its funny to them insulting each other and just a game, they really dont care and it affects them in no way at all, they both lose no sleep.

Please explain what a staged spat between Trump and Musk would achieve that could not have happened without the spat and the new American Party. I am curious.

 

[jabonra]

Same as it ever was

 

[akmike47]

Probably all pre-planned. Step 1, Trump and Elon create fight to save Elons business and get the left off his back. Step 2... create new method to insure Elon gets elected for pres.. or whoever they both decide. All while pretending to have a feud and hate trump. lol.. Its amazing how regardless of how much the media and govt lies that people will just eat up anything they say still. Its all theater. And used to be quite common among great friends to see who could insult the other the best. Americans have this problem where they always have this "what will other people think" on their mind., its like we've been raised and conditioned to think that way. Most successful people do not think this way, that is why its funny to them insulting each other and just a game, they really dont care and it affects them in no way at all, they both lose no sleep.

Elon can’t be president…

 

[wvfarrier]

Please explain what a staged spat between Trump and Musk would achieve that could not have happened without the spat and the new American Party. I am curious.

Ummm....he did. Its to get the left to back off Tesla....and it worked.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Elon can’t be president…

Not without "buying" Congress at least...

Truth be told- I'm not sure Elon is after becoming the POTUS as much as he's after having allies in said office so he can continue doing his thing.

 

[DirtyHarris]

Well, I totally fucked up and voted for Perot in 1992. At the time, I believed I was voting for the best candidate and that he really had a shot at winning.
I was wrong, so so wrong. Perot running gave us 8 years of Bill Clinton and the evil Satanic pile of festering aborted demon magma that is Killary.

Adding a third mostly Conservative Party to the mix will result in an era of Obama type dominance in government that will result in nothing but pain and misery for all of us.

 

[Redlion]

With President Donald Trump capturing the overwhelming majority of middle-America within the new MAGA movement; essentially taking over the Republican party apparatus, I would consider that Musk’s assembly will likely be a collection of never-trumpers, alligator emojis and disgruntled former Republicans.
The impact is undetermined, but the assembly itself was entirely predictable.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...es-the-creation-of-a-third-party/#more-273824

 

[alpine44]

Yeah I just saw that- but like you said it's the PIT so we'll fight it out.

Truth be told- I did search before posting so we'll see how it shapes out, the gods honest 1st post from @akmike47 (hey are you still talking to me fyi) with the more opaque title or mine which was posted something like 18 minutes later but with a more specific title.

Time will tell?

Either way- I stand by my original statement. I think Elon Musk is an honest to goodness present day "Bond villain" or at least the closest I've ever seen. He's got more money than God & everything he does seems to be focused on getting us further than we ever had dreamed about achieving in space (that much I can fully support).

As far as his platform for the American party... reckon we'll just have to wait and see. I wish him luck either way. I had hopes with the Tea Party a decade or so ago but maybe Elon can encompass some of that with his wealth. Just like with Trump, I'm oddly ok with billionaires running for political office these days because if nothing else, they aren't 'bought' by other companies and reckon that's the least evil.

Wild times we're living in.

-LD

I would expect that most of the current MAGA crowd will get behind Musk in order to ditch the RINOs. Hopefully, Trump is man enough to endorse this on his way out as a fuck you to the RINOs who undermined his first term and are still scheming against the MAGA agenda.

Let's also hope that the Socialists/Communists/Marxists split off from the Democratic platform with the backing of Soros. MuskMAGA vs. Uniparty (RINOs plus what's left of old school Democrats) vs. the Commies would be a pretty realistic representation of the ideological factions in the USA.

If the Left stays united, we are going to be badly screwed in the 2028 presidential election.

After the Republicans turned the OBBB into another Porculus bill and left 2A in the cold, I am fine with Musk causing a divided Congress after the Midterms. The fewer laws this corrupt bunch can pass the better. Trump has enough power and budget as of Friday to keep gutting the deep state and continuing the deportations.

 

[db2000]

I’ll just go with “if the shoe fits” and spell it out in crayons since it’s the Pit.
If you believe anyone with over $400B gives a fuck about you or your interests, you probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Ideally castrated but maybe that’s a bit extreme.

 

[Maser]

Elon can’t be president…
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Neither could Obama, but.....

 

[Californio]

40T debt is a credit card at 30%, you can never pay it off. How countries go bankrupt is to devalue their currency, everyone that was prudent gets wiped out. This mess is beyond political parties being able to fix it. Read the Fall of Rome, this is the die that has been cast, except Rome did not have WMD, it is going to be ugly. BBB is 900 pages of Pork.

 

[W54/XM-388]

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This right here!!!!

Remember Ross Perot?
He gave us Clinton

A 3rd party will simply ensure that the closest party to them loses the worst and the most opposite to them wins.

Now that being said, IF they were smart, they would stay out of the presidential race and then try hard in the house and senate and then if they win enough seats they could be the important swing vote on everything that decides outcomes (much like minor parties in parliamentary systems).

Stay away from President / Governor type single outcome races and concentrate on a wide party base in the house / senate and the various state legislatures.

That would be how to wield real power.

 

[db2000]

40T debt is a credit card at 30%, you can never pay it off. How countries go bankrupt is to devalue their currency, everyone that was prudent gets wiped out. This mess is beyond political parties being able to fix it. Read the Fall of Rome, this is the die that has been cast, except Rome did not have WMD, it is going to be ugly. BBB is 900 pages of Pork.

It’s pitiful when you have to just shrug and think, fuck it, what’s another $3T.
You never fix $10T let alone 4x that. We’ve proven this. Yet, sheople still keep believin’

Classic .gov

https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/16-muffins-8-coffee-served-in-us-justice-audit-idUSTRE78K3OW/

 

[LuckyDuck]

Interesting comments thus far...

So here's a question (not sure I know the answer to it myself) but... what is it that "we" want out of this new political movement?

To be candid- I think part of me attributes my aspirations to what has already been tried/attempted before with the Tea Party.

Obviously the platform hasn't been clarified yet but I suspect it'll share some common ground with the Tea Party movement 10-15 years ago. And frankly I'm ok with that- but also conflicted...

The reason why is let's say this party grows legs and is a real contender... I can't help but wonder whether it's the platform that'll get it to that point or the money backing it. I suspect the later is more indicative of how successful it will prove to be but then again... that mindset is exactly why I'm 'interested' in what they have to say.

Talk about a "self licking ice-cream cone".

 

[CowboyBart]

I'm liking a third, forth and fifth party

 

[LuckyDuck]

I'm liking a third, forth and fifth party

This is just an aside- but have you ever watched British Parliament? Neither condoning or supporting it but they've got several parties and those arguments are absolutely 'lit'. Not saying they do anything better but damn if the fights aren't "jerry springer" level entertaining as they argue lol.

-LD

 

[alpine44]

40T debt is a credit card at 30%, you can never pay it off. How countries go bankrupt is to devalue their currency, everyone that was prudent gets wiped out. This mess is beyond political parties being able to fix it. Read the Fall of Rome, this is the die that has been cast, except Rome did not have WMD, it is going to be ugly. BBB is 900 pages of Pork.

I am debt free and would like our country's debt to decrease. However, the important metric is debt to income or debt to GDP for a country. If our economy grows leaps and bound, then the projected 3 to 4 Trillion of additional debt are OK and will be reduced by increased tax revenues. I wish they had not taken the gamble but here we are.

Harris would have racked up significantly more debt to buy votes in a declining economic environment caused by their net zero de-industrialization ideology.

 

[Baron23]

While the federal spending...even under Trump and the GOP...is incredibly irresponsible and is just kicking the can down the road, all Musk will do is divide the votes from the right and center right which will favor the leftists.

Frankly, idiotic and ego driven action by Musk.

 

[BCP]

If the Left stays united, we are going to be badly screwed in the 2028 presidential election.

If Musk's party actually starts rolling this will happen for sure.

Look at how they stole the election from Bernie during their own primary and yet the Democrats stayed 100% united. No creating a third party, no alternative, no we're going to vote for the greens, nope, we're all Democrats until we die (and then we keep on voting anyways).

 

[LuckyDuck]

While the federal spending...even under Trump and the GOP...is incredibly irresponsible and is just kicking the can down the road, all Musk will do is divide the votes from the right and center right which will favor the leftists.

Frankly, idiotic and ego driven action by Musk.

I catch what you're throwing-but IDK reckon I have to ask. How is Elon throwing his proverbial 'hat' into the ring as a billionaire any different from Trump doing the same? Rhetorical question and one I'm trying to answer for myself.

IDK- like I said, I'll withhold judgement until I can see what their platform ends up being but as an aside- Personally speaking- I'm strangely comfortable with billionaires now entertaining their fancies with holding the highest levels of political office instead of buying another yacht.

Do I want the wealthiest folks running the country... probably not... but I'm personally at the point where I'd rather have billionaires chase their own legacies rather than a multitude of billion dollar+ corporations buying otherwise "poor" politicians....

Saying all of that out loud- ouch. Certainly we need to reset and do better one way or another right?

-LD

 

[db2000]

I catch what you're throwing-but IDK reckon I have to ask. How is Elon throwing his proverbial 'hat' into the ring as a billionaire any different from Trump doing the same? Rhetorical question and one I'm trying to answer for myself.

IDK- like I said, I'll withhold judgement until I can see what their platform ends up being but as an aside- Personally speaking- I'm strangely comfortable with billionaires now entertaining their fancies with holding the highest levels of political office instead of buying another yacht.

Do I want the wealthiest folks running the country... probably not... but I'm personally at the point where I'd rather have billionaires chase their own legacies rather than a multitude of billion dollar+ corporations buying otherwise "poor" politicians....

Saying all of that out loud- ouch. Certainly we need to reset and do better one way or another right?

-LD

They’re one and the same. Out for numero uno like many politicians and businessmen.

 

[M4orturnate]

Why wouldn't he just buy the Republican party and support real conservative candidates. Dump a billion into running actual conservatives in primaries against rino and use his media influence to get them elected. Libertarian party 2.0 won't do any better than the oringinal

 

[LuckyDuck]

They’re one and the same. Out for numero uno like many politicians and businessmen.

Lots of truth in your statement.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Why wouldn't he just buy the Republican party and support real conservative candidates. Dump a billion into running actual conservatives in primaries against rino and use his media influence to get them elected. Libertarian party 2.0 won't do any better than the oringinal

Fair question (and I don't have the "right" answer either) but were I to hazard a guess- Elon has his goals and will do what he needs to do in order to get governmental support to align with his goals.

Frankly- nothing right or wrong with that either... at least when we're talking billionaires, we know what their motives are and who they're beholden to.

I'm often saying that given the chance I'd love to grab lunch with Elon. Not condoning or admonishing his opinions/goals... the many just is wired differently and I have to believe an hour with him is a unique opportunity not shared with anyone else. I don't even want to talk politics or economics with Elon, I just want to share a cheesesteak and hear what he has to say about our Moon and I'd bet I'd remember that conversation for the rest of my life.

-LD

 

[doubloon]

Elon can’t be president…
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That's not the only stupid in this thread. This thread is on stupid overload. Stupid right out the gate.

"Third party" ... pffft ... there is only the uniparty and distraction parties ... tea party, libertarian party, green party, independent party, forward party, constitution party, natural law party and on and on. Sure, one more fucking party that's going to solve it. <facepalm.gif>

The only people who vote for a "third" party are people stupid enough to actually think there is a chance they will win (single exception to the rule in the senate) or people who love virtue signally so much they will vote for a loser just so they can puff out their chest and say "I voted for the losingest loser.", "My loser is better than your loser.". I almost have more respect for people who dont' vote at all because at least they aren't suffering from some self flagellating mental problem.

People who really want freedom and a smaller government are in the tiniest of minorities in this country.

 

[LuckyDuck]

That's not the only stupid in this thread. This thread is on stupid overload. Stupid right out the gate.

"Third party" ... pffft ... there is only the uniparty and distraction parties ... tea party, libertarian party, green party, independent party, forward party, constitution party, natural law party and on and on. Sure, one more fucking party that's going to solve it. <facepalm.gif>

The only people who vote for a "third" party are people stupid enough to actually think there is a chance they will win (single exception to the rule in the senate) or people who love virtue signally so much they will vote for a loser just so they can puff out their chest and say "I voted for the losingest loser.", "My loser is better than your loser.". I almost have more respect for people who dont' vote at all because at least they aren't suffering from some self flagellating mental problem.

People who really want freedom and a smaller government are in the tiniest of minorities in this country.

I remember a quote from the 90's that sounded something like "stupid is as stupid does".

Respectfully- your language (while realistic) is also defeatist. So what if everyone is proven to be "wrong"- there's still something to be said for both Hope & effort. Once we've lost both of those aspirations- well we've fallen into a world of "stupid" haven't we?

-LD

 

[Basher]

The two party system is broken AF, anybody who can’t see that it’s the same pile of shit with a different name is retarded.

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Nobody wants to let more parties in because “if you vote how you think but it isn’t part of the ‘same shit different name’ party, you’re retarded and are now my enemy because YOU made us lose!! “

Moral of the story? Everybody’s retarded, there is no solution short of tearing it all down and starting over. Again.

I said it the last two elections, maybe God will have mercy on us and actually let it happen this time: Giant Meteor or Nuclear Winter 2028. Let’s get this shit over with already, I’m tired of it…

 

[LuckyDuck]

The two party system is broken AF, anybody who can’t see that it’s the same pile of shit with a different name is retarded.

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Nobody wants to let more parties in because “if you vote how you think but it isn’t part of the ‘same shit different name’ party, you’re retarded and are now my enemy because YOU made us lose!! “

Moral of the story? Everybody’s retarded, there is no solution short of tearing it all down and starting over. Again.

I said it the last two elections, maybe God will have mercy on us and actually let it happen this time: Giant Meteor or Nuclear Winter 2028. Let’s get this shit over with already, I’m tired of it…

Not that you asked but I'll share my two cents here-

Speaking for myself only- when politics come up, I often think about Teddy Rosevelt and him coming out a life of being a "wilderness man" and being so disillusioned with the state of politics (even then) that he formed his own party... "bull moose" I think it was called. Whatever it was called- it failed & it failed because it split the votes from the two party system (again even then). But Teddy... boy oh boy do we need a Teddy Rosevelt now more than ever. I've often orated that we need a president hellbent on breaking up trusts/monopolies and fully embracing the mantra of speaking softly & carrying a big stick...

Lord do I ever want this, a "reset" if you will. A "flash in the pan" where money DOESN'T triumph over principles. I can't help but believe that this aspiration shouldn't be a "pipe dream" either.

-LD

 

[Green461]

Please explain what a staged spat between Trump and Musk would achieve that could not have happened without the spat and the new American Party. I am curious.

For real? Elon was targeted by the left and had death threats, Tesla was losing its base, Teslas were getting vandalized because they hated him because he was helping Trump. Conveniently at the end of his DOGE mission an all out fight breaks out. Perfect timing. Also you have 2 of the richest people in the world, also the smartest, and one even been an actor. What would it achieve? Easy... it puts a divide back between the two and the radical left no longer have Elon in their sights. Planned, staged, and executed. It worked. We are an audience, everything you see happens for a reason. The reason they can pull something like this off over everyones heads is because they are smarter than everyone. Once it happened DOGE was no longer in the spotlight, Teslas no longer the target. Win/win. If you hate trump, you'll want to love elon now.

Elon cant be pres now, they could change that, or at least he can have a great influence over who is elected. And winning back the lunatic left was much needed.

 

[P-Squared]

There's a thing from many years ago in the Pit that was started by The Cunning Linguist where the thread title was obscure and maybe a bit of a cypher to the topic. Some still continue this tradition in honor of that member. Personally I hope that continues.

A toast to Veer.

 

[OldSalty2]

So he was a democrat plant all along...go figure...

 

[The D]

If he starts placing people who cherish Freedom in smaller metro area politics and completely eschews federal politics I’ll be on board. Starting a party like this and immediately aiming it at dc is a complete and utter waste of resources

 

[LuckyDuck]

So he was a democrat plant all along...go figure...

Respectfully- we need to start moving away from these terms (in my own opinion) and start labeling folks by their merit.

-LD

 

[The D]

Respectfully- we need to start moving away from these terms (in my own opinion) and start labeling folks by their merit.

-LD

Then we can re-label the dc party’s as red whores and blue whores

 

[alamo5000]

I'm strangely ok with this....

The American two party system is in dire need of a disruption as I see it and I'm looking forward to seeing what Elon, our closets to a real-life Bond villain, can bring to the table.

Too early to tell whether I'm behind their platform but I'm comfortable in getting behind their disruption if nothing else.

Let's shake things up!

I'm all for it, but on strict conditions.

First, it was Ross Perot that gave us Bill Clinton. The lesson should not be forgotten there. He did so by belligerently running as a 3rd party no matter what.

On the flip side, we have made a lot more successful efforts by taking the Tea Party route, of which I say the entire Trump movement is of the same feather.

The difference between the two scenarios is one just was straight up 3rd party and the other one has made a lot of efforts to take over the Republican base without splitting the vote.

Make no mistake, the Republicans still have a whole lot of Rinos.

Instead of just running a 3rd party we would all be served substantially better if his group went Rino hunting.

The underlying thing that no one is talking about though is the actual underlying constituents in this whole deal. I don't mean just voters as a whole, but rather the money and special interests propping up the stuff we are all complaining about. The desire and ability for those special interests to create and have their guy in power and on speed dial is where the tire meets the road in every single district of every single state.

 

[Maser]

So he was a democrat plant all along...go figure...

He was never on our side to begin with. Let's see here:

He supports gun control
He's an Atheist
He supports LGBT
He supports abortion

Add to the list as you please.

 

[NoDopes]

The two party system is broken AF,

Its not the two party system that's the problem, it's the rampant corruption and nobody will arrest each other and hold any body accountable.
We have dozens of people we could arrest today for felonies. But nope.

Look at Omar, she fucking married her brother and lied to get him citizenship. Campaing fraud (who isn't) and so much more. Nope, nothing.

Epstein list? What list.

 

[Holliday]

I'm strangely ok with this....

The American two party system is in dire need of a disruption as I see it and I'm looking forward to seeing what Elon, our closets to a real-life Bond villain, can bring to the table.

Too early to tell whether I'm behind their platform but I'm comfortable in getting behind their disruption if nothing else.

Let's shake things up!

Elon is on record supporting an expanded HB1 visa program and special permits and advanced vetting/ training for owners of for semi auto firearms.

 

[Kamerad]

At this point ‘real conservatives’ is a myth, a lie to keep traditional moral men on the uniparty reservation.

 

[doubloon]

there's still something to be said for both Hope & effort.

Agreed.

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, see which fills up first.

"A" for effort is consolation for losers.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Agreed.

Hope in one hand and shit in the other, see which fills up first.

"A" for effort is consolation for losers.

Respectfully-

That's often said but honestly (present company excluded) that's absolutely loser talk. I mean really... what a defeatist mentality one has been sold to believe that hope has no future/there's no light at the end of the tunnel. Then why do we even bother trying to be better men I wonder?

I refuse to give up on the concept of 'hope', sometimes that's all we have to carry us through the darkness. Dismissing it is just proof evident that one doesn't understand the concept or has been privy to being in a situation privy to understanding what Hope even is.

 

[theLBC]

well, he's right about some members of the gop being part of the problem.
splitting the conservative vote is not the answer to reducing spending and waste, unless you think the democraps are the answer.
i think this is more of a stunt to make a point.
if he limits this to oppose specific traitors like lindsey graham and other warmongers and rinos, that might not be a bad thing, since the gop protects their establishment members by controlling campaign spending.

 

[Kamerad]

Evil requires our consent. ‘voting’ is an example of consent. Consenting to evil is never going to yield anything but more evil outcomes. Corruption will not yield willingly. Morality can only prevail when an recognition of it’s sole source is acknowledged. Musk is not a part of the cure any more than Trump is, or any other politician.

Get right with God, and help your brother and neighbor do the same.

 

[softcock]

Then we can re-label the dc party’s as red whores and blue whores

Not cool Labeling the DC Red and Blue professional as Whores. That respected title rightfully claimed and held by hard work ethics of the average DC street walking x-dress meth whores. They demand more respect than Beltway Red and Blue parasitic lifers .
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