Elon Musk announces the "American Party"

[LuckyDuck]

Evil requires our consent. ‘voting’ is an example of consent. Consenting to evil is never going to yield anything but more evil outcomes. Corruption will not yield willingly. Morality can only prevail when an recognition of it’s sole source is acknowledged. Musk is not a part of the cure any more than Trump is, or any other politician.

Get right with God, and help your brother and neighbor do the same.

Now this is an interesting comment. With all due respect I'm going to 'pick' on your comment just a little bit but by no means is it my intention to be directed towards you personally.

Evil... my experience with 'evil' is it's faceless and contrary to your statement is an opportunist. My clashing with it was never 'evident' but rather identified... after the fact. Like I said- it's an opportunist and seemingly collects whatever accusation is thrown at it as long as the individual has solid finger pointing skills.

Evil is nothing more than the absence of understanding. Evil is NOT "innocent until proven guilty" it's an accusation that needs to defend its own self worth despite the accusations. Evil is a moral, religious, and socioeconomic concept that means something contrary to whatever framework it's being held up against. It's the "yin" to the "yang" One cannot be "right' with out the other being "wrong" and that "wrong is embodied by whatever entity is labeled as 'evil'.

 

[The D]

You guys talk shit about Ross Perot like the republicunts haven’t been exactly the same as the democunts this whole time

 

[The D]

Not cool Labeling the DC Red and Blue professional as Whores. That respected title rightfully claimed and held by hard work ethics of the average DC street walking x-dress meth whores. They demand more respect than Beltway Red and Blue parasitic lifers .
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That’s fair. How about the red/blue blood-soaked psychopaths(not hyperbole)?

 

[Ronws]

I do not favor having a third party. The "American Party" will be just as much a tool for the democrats as has been the "Independent Party."

When you get a strong independent candidate, you pull votes away from republicans, not the democrats. Happens every damn time. Independent party platforms do not pull voters away from the DNC. Dems remain on brand with the power of a religious zealot.

What is better is to make the Republican Party more conservative and stronger.

And liberal republicans, like McCain was, only give more votes to the dems. Libs figure why vote for dem lite when you can just vote for dem.

 

[LuckyDuck]

I do not favor having a third party. The "American Party" will be just as much a tool for the democrats as has been the "Independent Party."

When you get a strong independent candidate, you pull votes away from republicans, not the democrats. Happens every damn time. Independent party platforms do not pull voters away from the DNC. Dems remain on brand with the power of a religious zealot.

What is better is to make the Republican Party more conservative and stronger.

And liberal republicans, like McCain was, only give more votes to the dems. Libs figure why vote for dem lite when you can just vote for dem.

Your post reminds me that I need to pick up a pork butt this week for... reasons.

 

[Kamerad]

Now this is an interesting comment. With all due respect I'm going to 'pick' on your comment just a little bit but by no means is it my intention to be directed towards you personally.

Evil... my experience with 'evil' is it's faceless and contrary to your statement is an opportunist. My clashing with it was never 'evident' but rather identified... after the fact. Like I said- it's an opportunist and seemingly collects whatever accusation is thrown at it as long as the individual has solid finger pointing skills.

Evil is nothing more than the absence of understanding. Evil is NOT "innocent until proven guilty" it's an accusation that needs to defend its own self worth despite the accusations. Evil is a moral, religious, and socioeconomic concept that means something contrary to whatever framework it's being held up against. It's the "yin" to the "yang" One cannot be "right' with out the other being "wrong" and that "wrong is embodied by whatever entity is labeled as 'evil'.

This is humanist, relativist deception, though I don’t assume you intend to deceive. I don’t know you.

Evil has it’s own definition - that which is not of God, that which works against God. It’s not simply a construct of man. Stay in the Word, and it will be revealed.

 

[Maggot]

Y'all just dont get it yet. Think what just happened in the ME, Trumpster doing BB's dirty work and say hello to"

 

[Maggot]

This is humanist, relativist deception, though I don’t assume you intend to deceive. I don’t know you.

Evil has it’s own definition - that which is not of God, that which works against God. It’s not simply a construct of man. Stay in the Word, and it will be revealed.

Easier to keep it simple.

Good/God = freedom/free will

Evil/Satan = slavery

 

[doubloon]

concept of 'hope',

Hope as a concept, to a point, is valuable. Hope as you present it delusional.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Hope as a concept, to a point, is valuable. Hope as you present it delusional.

Fair enough but that's all I've got these days so I'm sticking with it.

 

[Holliday]

 

[Holliday]

Sadly this is the lifeline Democrats have been praying for.

 

[doubloon]

Now ...

Evil...

... moral, religious, and ...

TL;DR

Morality is subjective and fluid.

But you won't get much traction on that because everybody believes their morals are the correct morals.

 

[Holliday]

TL;DR

Morality is subjective and fluid.

But you won't get much traction on that because everybody believes their morals are the correct morals.

This is certainly the case with western Buddhists and other religions.

Christianity at least attempts an objective take with the 10 commandments. These too however are a matter of interpretation. “Thou shall not kill” for example is interpreted as thou shall not murder. Murder being yet another word that is up for interpretation, depending on where you’re sitting when the switch gets flipped…….

 

[akmike47]

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...es-the-creation-of-a-third-party/#more-273824

This retard isn’t an oracle, he just looked at when midterms are.

 

[doubloon]

This is certainly the case with western Buddhists and other religions.

And at least 2B people on the planet are not religiously affiliated. I *thnik* the majority of the population in some small number of countrie have no religious affiliation.

 

[Baron23]

I catch what you're throwing-but IDK reckon I have to ask. How is Elon throwing his proverbial 'hat' into the ring as a billionaire any different from Trump doing the same? Rhetorical question and one I'm trying to answer for myself.

IDK- like I said, I'll withhold judgement until I can see what their platform ends up being but as an aside- Personally speaking- I'm strangely comfortable with billionaires now entertaining their fancies with holding the highest levels of political office instead of buying another yacht.

Do I want the wealthiest folks running the country... probably not... but I'm personally at the point where I'd rather have billionaires chase their own legacies rather than a multitude of billion dollar+ corporations buying otherwise "poor" politicians....

Saying all of that out loud- ouch. Certainly we need to reset and do better one way or another right?

-LD

He’s not throwing his hat in the ring like Trump. Trump ran in the GOP primaries and won. Musk is starting a new party which will not appeal to leftist and will only divide the right.

 

[Holliday]

He’s not throwing his hat in the ring like Trump. Trump ran in the GOP primaries and won. Musk is starting a new party which will not appeal to leftist and will only divide the right.

This is not going to be good news. This is going to siphon all the left folks who just left the Democrats to go to Trump. Trump can’t run again so those folks have little reason to stay.

 

[Milf Dots]

The only third party we need in America is a Socialist/Communist party- to divide and conquer the Demokrat party- so we Americans can continue to take our republic back.

 

[akg102]

I keep hearing about Perot, but how many of you voted for Buchanan in the primaries?

 

[Holliday]

The H1-B visa party.

 

[Kamerad]

This is what happens when being an American is simply an ‘idea’.

 

[DuneBoer]

 

[Makinchips208]

Another political party won’t help when we got the same voters doing the voting.

 

[doubloon]

He’s not throwing his hat in the ring like Trump.

You're talking to a guy who suggested the wealthiest people aren't already running the country. Not the brightest bulb.

 

[Mr.BR]

The Indian who has an uncertain birth date in his bio ,sure is pushing some new soviet stlye posters

 

[khel]

Elon is on record supporting an expanded HB1 visa program and special permits and advanced vetting/ training for owners of for semi auto firearms.

To be fair, so is Trump - the best vax salesman! He supports H1- B, gun control, amnesty for illegals (farm and hotel workers for now ) etc.

 

[The D]

I am 100% in support of whatever visa program brings in the brightest and hardest working people from whatever shithole country wants to come help turn this shithole around. That’s how this country shows the rest of the world what it takes to actually build wealth, prosperity, & a peaceful society. ALL of the problems lie in the swamp and how these fucking blood-soaked monsters are playing politics and letting themselves be manipulated by the globalists

 

[alpine44]

FIFY:

I am 100% in support of whatever visa program brings in the brightest and hardest working people from whatever shithole country wants to come help turn this shithole around. That’s how this country shows showed and will continue to show the rest of the world what it takes to actually build wealth, prosperity, & a peaceful society. ALL of the problems lie in the swamp and how these fucking blood-soaked monsters are playing politics and letting themselves be manipulated by the globalists

Right now, we are in dire need of people who want to do hard, decently paid, manual labor. On the other end of the spectrum, our school system has sucked so badly for so long that we need a lot of H1B (minimum: hard science BS) people to keep hi-tech going. Similar issues exist in the medical field. And then there are widening gaps in the trades due to having de-emphasised votech in favor of woke, irrelevant college degrees.

This is the reality, whether we like it or not.

 

[Maggot]

TL;DR

Morality is subjective and fluid.

But you won't get much traction on that because everybody believes their morals are the correct morals.

This is certainly the case with western Buddhists and other religions.

Christianity at least attempts an objective take with the 10 commandments. These too however are a matter of interpretation. “Thou shall not kill” for example is interpreted as thou shall not murder. Murder being yet another word that is up for interpretation, depending on where you’re sitting when the switch gets flipped…….

It depends on where you source your 'morality'. Mine comes from physics.

"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."

For that reason I choose to treat others as I wish to be treated, with kindness and respect, because thats what I want coming back. Some. using the same concept from the Bible, might phrase it:

"You reap as you sow."

Pretty simple concepts until you confuse it all with a bunch of religious dogma.

 

[Maggot]

FIFY:

Right now, we are in dire need of people who want to do hard, decently paid, manual labor. On the other end of the spectrum, our school system has sucked so badly for so long that we need a lot of H1B (minimum: hard science BS) people to keep hi-tech going. Similar issues exist in the medical field. And then there are widening gaps in the trades due to having de-emphasised votech in favor of woke, irrelevant college degrees.

This is the reality, whether we like it or not.

I always enjoyed the hard physical labor, timber cutter and stonemason. Went back and got a woke, irrelevant degree in philosophy, but still enjoy the hard labor, mostly being outside and free to move around. I never could take being cooped up in an office or factory. Never got rich but I sleep well.

Different stokes.

 

[Holliday]

To be fair, so is Trump - the best vax salesman! He supports H1- B, gun control, amnesty for illegals (farm and hotel workers for now ) etc.

You just made my point. Elon’s vision NOT better or different. If we are going to have a new party, Elon’s vision is no the one to follow.

As far as I’m concerned, this is another one of Elon‘s tantrums that will fizzle out. He is not situated as well politically as he thinks he is.