Transition is just that. If the bullet is designed correctly it can pass through it without issue. The ELD is one of those bullets. I have shot mine accurately to 1150 yards. 1000 is no problem.
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Transition is just that. If the bullet is designed correctly it can pass through it without issue. The ELD is one of those bullets. I have shot mine accurately to 1150 yards. 1000 is no problem.
I go to 1000 with a MV of 2910. Still supersonic enough for Shotmarker and SiverMountain targets to pickup
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Reloading Equipment - Lapua 223 Brass
Lapua 223 brass New in the box no longer need $100 per 100 pieces shipped. 8 boxes of 100 left.
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Still tweaking it.
25.3gr varget. Hornady brass formed to rifle, neck sized only,
Cci400
2.280" coal
Bergara b14 ridge sp 18"
Yhm t3 can.
2881avg sd9, es21.
25gr did a nice 3 shot clover and 1 stupid flyer.
25.3gr varget. Hornady brass formed to rifle, neck sized only,
Cci400
2.280" coal
Bergara b14 ridge sp 18"
Yhm t3 can.
2881avg sd9, es21.
25gr did a nice 3 shot clover and 1 stupid flyer.
223 StarLine Brass - new
CFE223 26gr
cci400 primer
2.240 OAL
Hornady VMAX 50gr
2849 AVG FPS
Spread - 100
SD- 33.6
16” tube suppressed
CFE223 26gr
cci400 primer
2.240 OAL
Hornady VMAX 50gr
2849 AVG FPS
Spread - 100
SD- 33.6
16” tube suppressed
FYI Mile High has Lapua 223 brass in stock. Just ordered another 300.
I use it for 6.5g .
It's gtg.
I prefer clean first fired brass from the range. No wasted hassle fire forming to blow out shoulders.
The cheap 223 brands that cover the floor are my favorite brass.
The big name stuff is not worth the hassles of saving up a run on all said and done. I like the bulk range ammo in brands people would not purchase for "good ammo" .
I don't like pre processed brass, it's all sized too far down. I normally run 2-3 thousands of bump at the most for my ar's chambers that are within 1/2 thousands of each other on the shoulder.
It's gtg.
I prefer clean first fired brass from the range. No wasted hassle fire forming to blow out shoulders.
The cheap 223 brands that cover the floor are my favorite brass.
The big name stuff is not worth the hassles of saving up a run on all said and done. I like the bulk range ammo in brands people would not purchase for "good ammo" .
I don't like pre processed brass, it's all sized too far down. I normally run 2-3 thousands of bump at the most for my ar's chambers that are within 1/2 thousands of each other on the shoulder.
It's good stuff. I use a lot of it in 223, 5.56x45, 6ARC (converted 6.5 Grendel) , 6.5 Creed, 308, 375 Raptor (converted 358 Win). There may be more! Like I said, I like it
I am pretty pleased with mine. I bought 500 to use for my AR15. I use Lapua for my 223 bolt gun but each range session I seem to not be able to find my brass. But when I weight sorted the 500, I came up with around 430 when in 1 gn. That gave me 4 sets of 100. After I had fired them 1 time I was getting high concentricity counts and my targets were almost indistinguishable from my Lapua cases. I felt like I won in this decision. I have 3 firings on them and have not lost 1 case to anything except I can't find one every now and then.
David
I don't know if I got my spreadsheets off of my old computer that went tits up or not, but I tested 20 random pieces of Starline brass in 6.5CM, Grendel, and .223.
Base to shoulder datum, OAL, and primer pocket depth on virgin cases were all in the .003 ES and .001 SD range. H2O capacity was all within about .4gr ES and .1 SD.
Lapua tested better, but I'm perfectly happy to run Starline in most of my rifles... especially autoloaders.
Just watch the case capacity of Starline...it is significantly less than Lapua or LC in .223, and Lapua/Hornady in the Grendel. You'll run into pressure a full grain less than book max in a lot of cases.
Echo what was said here about case capacity, 24gr of Varget which is a popular load for 77gr was very compressed for me with starline 223 brass.
Has anyone tried the ultimate reloader copy of Berger 77otm? I believe they came up with 24.6 gr of N140, Lapua brass, and Berger 77otm pills?
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Just wondering why we would copy a factory round?
Haven't shot one yet that a gun specific reload can't beat.
My son brought me a newly acquired 308 a bunch of factory rounds and some of our reloads to test in it
I asked wtf was I supposed to do with the factory shit.
Answer was, fire form it and use the damn brass, duh.
Haven't shot one yet that a gun specific reload can't beat.
My son brought me a newly acquired 308 a bunch of factory rounds and some of our reloads to test in it
I asked wtf was I supposed to do with the factory shit.
Answer was, fire form it and use the damn brass, duh.
I typically wouldn’t copy a load but tried for grins. I was curious if I could find a load to use across a couple guns to consolidate components and the Berger ammo is supposed to be like magic pixie dust. The groups from the copy load at 100 are as good as any of my hand loads out of a bolt gun and ar but the load is very compressed which caused a lot of intermittent bullet runout. Like 5thou one load and 2 the next. Just wondered if anyone else had tried it and had luck before I wasted time and components trying it at longer ranges. I’m assuming the runout will cause problems at distance anyway.
Oh yeah and I scored a bunch of new Lapua brass so I had to start somewhere!
Oh yeah and I scored a bunch of new Lapua brass so I had to start somewhere!
I have never had runout caused by compressed loads. The worst to happen was inconsistent COAL as the powder pushed the bullet out against the neck tension.
In my experience, run-out is usually cuased by inconsistent neck-wall thickness or a bad sizing die. Also, do not forget instrument error
In my experience, run-out is usually cuased by inconsistent neck-wall thickness or a bad sizing die. Also, do not forget instrument error
Just busting your chops.
It took me a long time to beat 168g fgmm in my sons old 308 .
I is a ruger tactical and was at the time hammer forged around that round for departmental specs.
At the time I was new to reloading rifle rounds and to compound that Varget was unobtainium.
As soon as I got the Varget I could match the consistent 3/4 inch groups.
That allowed me to hone my reloading skills and eventually cut those groups in half.
I hate fire forming new brass just to redo it with a new recipe next go round . In any popular high volume caliber I opt to use clean first fired range brass instead.
Cheaper (sometimes free) all the way around and gets sized to my spec's first time.
The FGMM he handed me is used as a benchmark and a goal to beat. Not even sure some of my current 308 rounds hunting or target will fit the chamber of the Ruger All American, it's my next task.
I will bet the Berger's will end up outstanding when your done fire forming and development is done.
Several reasons I don't like compressed rounds, the crunch that Varget makes is one of them. Lol
Good luck Sir.
It took me a long time to beat 168g fgmm in my sons old 308 .
I is a ruger tactical and was at the time hammer forged around that round for departmental specs.
At the time I was new to reloading rifle rounds and to compound that Varget was unobtainium.
As soon as I got the Varget I could match the consistent 3/4 inch groups.
That allowed me to hone my reloading skills and eventually cut those groups in half.
I hate fire forming new brass just to redo it with a new recipe next go round . In any popular high volume caliber I opt to use clean first fired range brass instead.
Cheaper (sometimes free) all the way around and gets sized to my spec's first time.
The FGMM he handed me is used as a benchmark and a goal to beat. Not even sure some of my current 308 rounds hunting or target will fit the chamber of the Ruger All American, it's my next task.
I will bet the Berger's will end up outstanding when your done fire forming and development is done.
Several reasons I don't like compressed rounds, the crunch that Varget makes is one of them. Lol
Good luck Sir.
I use a Sinclair mandrel die to mitigate neck problems for what it's worth.
It's use was instantly measurable on paper for multiple calibers including 223 plinkers that then ended up more of precision rounds that allowed further development.
I was surprised by the runout since the components are good. Well at least they aren’t cheap! It’s new Lapua brass sized on an Area 419 die with a 2thou mandrel. Used both a Forster micrometer die and an SAC seating die. Same bullet runout issues with both seating dies and the Berger 77otm’s. Brass has 1-2 thou outside neck runout after sizing which is normal for me.
Interestingly, I tried 77smks and had zero issues. 1-2thou runout after seating with the tried and true smks.
Interestingly, I tried 77smks and had zero issues. 1-2thou runout after seating with the tried and true smks.
@Xferbuckeye
You said 4 guns?
How close are the chambers / shoulders on them? Able to use one setting for bump?
I have 5 in the family running the same brass. I had to replace one bcg to get it to happen. Mag length or less works but results still differ between barrel lengths etc.
If I shelled out money for some more tuners I might get better results but a couple run suppressed at times.
Still the effort to get brass bumping from .0025 to .0035 in the family was well worth it.
You said 4 guns?
How close are the chambers / shoulders on them? Able to use one setting for bump?
I have 5 in the family running the same brass. I had to replace one bcg to get it to happen. Mag length or less works but results still differ between barrel lengths etc.
If I shelled out money for some more tuners I might get better results but a couple run suppressed at times.
Still the effort to get brass bumping from .0025 to .0035 in the family was well worth it.
Yeah and I loaded up a handful to cycle several through for a decent function check. A little sticky here and there so now to .004 bump.
Concentricity still sucked but seemed to get better with the vibration of a large brass tumbler settling the powder. Maybe if powder isn’t settled as much as possible in the compressed load there is some unevenness in the elevation of powder at the neck? A kernel(s) higher on one side maybe could push the concentricity since the bullet doesn’t have an even surface of powder to push against? Dunno so hopefully someone argue with me. All good reasons to not shoot a compressed load of course!
Virgin brass is known to have runout. Shoot it and size it, then check your runout for actual runout numbers...
Measuring runout on virgin brass is a waste of time.
