New build for Night Vision

[thedude824]

I needed a reason to justify rebuilding my 300 black out. The true reason is I fell in love with the rifle I built my girl using burnt bronze on the receivers, Geissele DDC parts, and FDE furniture.
My 300 black out was a cheapish Aero build. I’m now using a Vltor MUR upper without FA, Geissele DDC super charging handle, Geissele MK4 DDC 9.3” rail, and Wilson Combat 11.3” barrel. The lower is an Aero M4E1, Rise 535 trigger which I may replace with a Geissele SDE since I have them in all my other rifles, Magpul K2+ grip, Law folder, carbine buffer, Magpul SLS stock. Other than that I was just thinking of adding a Steiner Dbal. I’m just now worrying.. will the Steiner objective lens sit high enough to clear the Dbal??
EDIT: MRO isn’t popular with night vision and the bottom half of the sight picture from the scope would be blocked by the Dbal D2. I’d need a 1.93” scope mount which would place a top-mounted RMR WAY above the bore causing huge issues at anything other than zero distance or close. I’ll be using an Eotech EXPS3 on a Unity Riser and eventually a G33 in a Unity flip to center mount.
I’ll be using a SilencerCo Velos LBP 762.
I plan to stick with Hornady 110 grain VMAX over 19.8 of H110 and work up a sub load for 220 grain SMKs using N120.
Does this sound like a decent NV set up? I know 556 especially out of short barrels has a lot of blast so 300 black out seems perfect especially with subs.

Thank you for all the help!

 

[thedude824]

Looks like if I want to stay with the standard height scope mount my options are MAWL and USNV Designate IR-V.
At $1900 for the USNV or $3600 for the MAWL versus $1200 for the D2 I may just need to buy the 1.93” scope mount. Unfortunately that’s going to put the top mounted RDS REALLY HIGH.

 

[WindstormSCR]

Looks like if I want to stay with the standard height scope mount my options are MAWL and USNV Designate IR-V.
At $1900 for the USNV or $3600 for the MAWL versus $1200 for the D2 I may just need to buy the 1.93” scope mount. Unfortunately that’s going to put the top mounted RDS REALLY HIGH.

if you want to ride pimp style, get the sight specifically for a 300 Blk run under nods: https://wilcoxind.com/products/combat-systems/laser-aiming-devices/product_combat_boss-xe

the eye safe version still has a very excellent laser

the main draw is that the IR/Vis laser, and the reticle zero are all co-aligned and have two separate zero settings with the flick of a lever. (subsonic and supersonic)

 

[thedude824]

if you want to ride pimp style, get the sight specifically for a 300 Blk run under nods: https://wilcoxind.com/products/combat-systems/laser-aiming-devices/product_combat_boss-xe

the eye safe version still has a very excellent laser

the main draw is that the IR/Vis laser, and the reticle zero are all co-aligned and have two separate zero settings with the flick of a lever. (subsonic and supersonic)

That does look incredible!! Unfortunately I’m assuming that also comes at an incredible price. Any first hand experience with one? Actually… $4300?? Is that right? That’s not much more than a MAWL. I may need to look into that. I don’t mind spending a little more for one and done.
Thank you for the suggestion!

 

[WindstormSCR]

That does look incredible!! Unfortunately I’m assuming that also comes at an incredible price. Any first hand experience with one? Actually… $4300?? Is that right? That’s not much more than a MAWL. I may need to look into that. I don’t mind spending a little more for one and done.
Thank you for the suggestion!

There are vendors that sell the Eye safe variation, which is the standard civilian market model. $4300 sounds about right. You’ll want the Ergocto dual-lead switch that has the junction box connector and a surefire lead to connect a good white light. Last I checked the dual-lead switch was around $120 because it’s not just a dumb clicky switch but programmable from the unit.

I’m saving for one for my own shorty subsonic setup.

 

[TonyAngel]

Looks like if I want to stay with the standard height scope mount my options are MAWL and USNV Designate IR-V.
At $1900 for the USNV or $3600 for the MAWL versus $1200 for the D2 I may just need to buy the 1.93” scope mount. Unfortunately that’s going to put the top mounted RDS REALLY HIGH.

I only get to run NV occasionally. I don't have any equipment of my own. Still, it seems to me that running that LPVO is going to be a waste of space and weight budget. Running an LPVO just on the off chance that you'll need magnification kinda leaves you having to accommodate a piece of equipment you likely won't need very often.

Maybe its just because I need more practice, but the LPVO gets in the way. I'm not crazy about magnifiers, but they sure do the job on an NV setup. Just think of how much easier life would be setting that rig up, if you didn't need to worry about that LPVO.

 

[thedude824]

I only get to run NV occasionally. I don't have any equipment of my own. Still, it seems to me that running that LPVO is going to be a waste of space and weight budget. Running an LPVO just on the off chance that you'll need magnification kinda leaves you having to accommodate a piece of equipment you likely won't need very often.

Maybe its just because I need more practice, but the LPVO gets in the way. I'm not crazy about magnifiers, but they sure do the job on an NV setup. Just think of how much easier life would be setting that rig up, if you didn't need to worry about that LPVO.

This is honestly the exact conclusion I came to. I got the rifle together (minus the ASR mount) and once I get all the night vision stuff together I think I’m just going to run the MRO on a 1.93” mount and a Dbal D2 at 12. I’m not interested in being a trail blazer

 

[TonyAngel]

This is honestly the exact conclusion I came to. I got the rifle together (minus the ASR mount) and once I get all the night vision stuff together I think I’m just going to run the MRO on a 1.93” mount and a Dbal D2 at 12. I’m not interested in being a trail blazer

If you already have a 1.93 mount, cool. If not, what I usually do is just throw a cowitness mount onto a 1/2 rise. Ive found it the easiest way to get my dot and magnifier to line up without spending a bunch of money.

 

[thedude824]

If you already have a 1.93 mount, cool. If not, what I usually do is just throw a cowitness mount onto a 1/2 rise. Ive found it the easiest way to get my dot and magnifier to line up without spending a bunch of money.

Do you feel a magnifier is worthwhile? I’ve got so many rifles with LPVOs and I don’t see ever shooting this past 200. I don’t think I’ve ever used a magnifier since it also magnifies the dot.
I’ll buy the 1.93” mount just to get the anodized FDE look lol. I could’ve used the ADM Delta I’ve got laying around for this scope, but I love the Geissele DDC. I may actually spring for the D2 since it’s back in stock at my discounted price. I could run around with the visible laser and some goggles and get some good LARPing in lol.
Suppressors and ASR mounts should be approved in the next couple of days.
Apparently the site won’t let me upload a photo?

 

[TonyAngel]

Do you feel a magnifier is worthwhile? I’ve got so many rifles with LPVOs and I don’t see ever shooting this past 200. I don’t think I’ve ever used a magnifier since it also magnifies the dot.
I’ll buy the 1.93” mount just to get the anodized FDE look lol. I could’ve used the ADM Delta I’ve got laying around for this scope, but I love the Geissele DDC. I may actually spring for the D2 since it’s back in stock at my discounted price. I could run around with the visible laser and some goggles and get some good LARPing in lol.
Suppressors and ASR mounts should be approved in the next couple of days.
Apparently the site won’t let me upload a photo?

Man, you have me talking about all sorts of stuff than I'm not wild about. I get what you're saying about the magnifier behind the dot, but still ... having a magnifier comes in handy sometimes. Not when you're using NV, but when you aren't, even a low percentage 200 yard shots gets a lot easier with a magnifier.

Have you ever run an Eotech/magnifier combo? I know Eotechs are a love em or hate em thing, But I have to admit that they are the shizz for running NV and for putting a magnifier behind them.
Mind you, I do not own an Eotech, for many reasons. Well, a few anyway. That sight is just one of those things that you love to actually shoot with, but hate everything else about it.

As for the mount, that's a whatever floats your boat thing. I paint ALL of my stuff. Rifle, mount, optic. Ive gotta cover up the scratches and it makes me look cool.

 

[thedude824]

Man, you have me talking about all sorts of stuff than I'm not wild about. I get what you're saying about the magnifier behind the dot, but still ... having a magnifier comes in handy sometimes. Not when you're using NV, but when you aren't, even a low percentage 200 yard shots gets a lot easier with a magnifier.

Have you ever run an Eotech/magnifier combo? I know Eotechs are a love em or hate em thing, But I have to admit that they are the shizz for running NV and for putting a magnifier behind them.
Mind you, I do not own an Eotech, for many reasons. Well, a few anyway. That sight is just one of those things that you love to actually shoot with, but hate everything else about it.

As for the mount, that's a whatever floats your boat thing. I paint ALL of my stuff. Rifle, mount, optic. Ive gotta cover up the scratches and it makes me look cool.

Actually I was forced to use an Eotech on my patrol carbine. I think for that reason (and the hate they were getting at the time) I switched to red dots. It was an EXPS2 anyway so it wouldn’t work with night vision.

I greatly appreciate you bringing this up. After several hours of research the consensus is pretty clear. The MRO is garbage for night vision. Looks like I’ll be getting the EXPS3 and a Unity riser in FDE. I’ll wait on the magnifier and unity tactical mount in FDE. That’s another $750. I need to get some use out of this Geissele mount lol. The PVS31 binos are like 13k and the D2 is a little over $1200. I blew 4k last week between a scope and 2 suppressors so I need to settle.

It also looks like people are saying to stay away from remote switches with the D2 and instead use the rear mount button. So I now know I need to mount the light on the right side and I’ll use a a Unity Axon for that. Sucks that I tossed the box for the Geissele mount. That was expensive. At least I won’t be making any more mistakes! So thank you! It looks pretty cool now (muzzle device inbound with suppressor) and the finish looks weird in the pic due to all the oil seaping out. It came out really well.