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987.2 cayman spent most of its life in NJ outside last 2 years in florida garaged
1965 aluminum bodied 427 Corba replica, build it yourself, simple carb., no power steering, no paint, no traction control, no windows, manual transmission, no top, no stereo, way too loud, no heater or air conditioning, bugs in your teeth, everyone hears you and looks, change you own oil, plugs, etc. Tesla for everything else. Fun per mile priceless. What ever happened to wrenching your own ride and KISS?
those cobras try to kill their owners besides as stated early on this post i aint wrenchin no nuttin anymore
Ft walton fla caddy dealer finally got the 25 ct4v blackwing in, 70 K msrp i was waiting to make an offer , they added " lookee what we got " 10 grand now 80 K 3 weeks wasted waiting , ford said 6 months on an ordered 26 darkhorse [more like 11 months] , small chevy dealer about 40 miles away has no corvette allocations ever ......gonna expand another 100 mile search radius ....this sucks
At this stage [date] it looks like I would have to be unbelieveablely lucky to find a 25 that fits my wants [any car] sitting on a lot , seems it might make more sense to order but that looks like the dealers don't want that besides i really must test drive something before i buy it .
I hear you. With a car like that getting the spec you want is huge and getting a test drive in a Z06 could deffinitely be challenging. What specs are you looking for?
Black in and out ,no aero package , 2 lz [3lz has dash glue issue] , no cup tires or wings for starters . I miss my NE where car dealers were everywhere and had cars on their lots . Its the location a new 3500 unit 55 and above gated community ,almost 30 houses on my street and no more than 3 cars all the rest are pickups and suvs .
I am 72 so it might be my last one or as long as i like it or want something shiny again
So… What’d ya wind up with @sloporsche ?
Also, for opening this door to the rabbit hole…you suck! LoL
…plus a 15% tariff depending on the build date.
I may be able to avoid some of the taxes if I keep it with my wife’s family back in Germany for 141 days or more after European delivery (imported as a used car), but the tax bite’s still gonna be huge!
#1stworldproblems
Also, for opening this door to the rabbit hole…you suck! LoL
…plus a 15% tariff depending on the build date.
I may be able to avoid some of the taxes if I keep it with my wife’s family back in Germany for 141 days or more after European delivery (imported as a used car), but the tax bite’s still gonna be huge!#1stworldproblems
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waiting for the caddy dealer and the chevy dealer and the ford dealer all 2025 's with dealer mark ups , i might just go with something ordered on a 26 but all 3 dealers are pushing what is on the lot . I should know something with the caddy in a week , darkhorse stang is at least 7 months order wait to be built . no z06/e rays within 100 miles ....depressing
My buddy has been trying to get a F150 Raptor R at MSRP without a 30K+ gouge, unobtainable so far. Hopefully the V8 will make a comeback under current President, V6 suck, and have more units available.
Buddy told me there were 60 Ford F150 Raptor R’s allocated for the Houston market and all of them sold pre-delivery for around $150K each.
There’s so much money in this country when an F150 sells for $150K no problem.
Depressing it is to be looking in my area even after opening up to a 100 mile + radius dealer search . I still can fly up to NJ and drive something I want off the lot and in a few hours be driving it back to florida .
The tax bite is nothing compared to future repairs when this thing is not covered by factory warranty.So… What’d ya wind up with @sloporsche ?
Also, for opening this door to the rabbit hole…you suck! LoL
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…plus a 15% tariff depending on the build date.
#1stworldproblems
A “regular” Panamera turbo is a money pit…. but this hybrid one even worse.
You’re not wrong!
The basic maintenance is no more difficult than other vehicles, but the monitoring systems and nannies that make the car so much easier to drive also make it almost impossible to actually do the work.
The only “high end” German cars I’ve ever kept beyond the warranty was the beater 5-series wagon I had when stationed in Germany, and my current Cayman R that’s pretty much just a dedicated track car at this point.
I finally invested in a PIWIS emulator last year because I was getting to the point on that car where I had to do maintenance that was generating codes and such beyond what I could troubleshoot (and clear) with my Durometric tool; like the PDK transmission refresh, and upgrading the trans/motor cooling systems last year:
Your cayman is way easier to work on than any Panamera turbo.You’re not wrong!
The basic maintenance is no more difficult than other vehicles, but the monitoring systems and nannies that make the car so much easier to drive also make it almost impossible to actually do the work.
The only “high end” German cars I’ve ever kept beyond the warranty was the beater 5-series wagon I had when stationed in Germany, and my current Cayman R that’s pretty much just a dedicated track car at this point.
I finally invested in a PIWIS emulator last year because I was getting to the point on that car where I had to do maintenance that was generating codes and such beyond what I could troubleshoot (and clear) with my Durometric tool; like the PDK transmission refresh, and upgrading the trans/motor cooling systems last year:
Waiting on a new transmission from the motherland for a 2013 boxter. They don’t offer the tools, training and parts to rebuild these.
How many PWIS testers would you like? I have 3 of them in use….
I just installed my first Manthey kit in a new GT4 RS, very nice performing and looking car. But it ain’t comfortable…..it’s a little over 300k now and they just moved it into the showroom if the op is interested
Doesn’t Porsche charge its dealers and licensed mechanics/shops something like $25K (each!) per year to “rent” those two-way readers?Your cayman is way easier to work on than any Panamera turbo.
Waiting on a new transmission from the motherland for a 2013 boxter. They don’t offer the tools, training and parts to rebuild these.
How many PWIS testers would you like? I have 3 of them in use….
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I just installed my first Manthey kit in a new GT4 RS, very nice performing and looking car. But it ain’t comfortable…..it’s a little over 300k now and they just moved it into the showroom if the op is interested
Mine’s a PIWIS 3, and methinks I’m gonna have to split my Cayman’s PDK case to replace the shift fork position sensor soon…the 1-3 shaft:
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Something like that, I don’t ask since it isn’t my $.
We have about 20-25 here of them. They get updates quite often.
Have not opened one but hearsay is that the synchronization of gears is damaged or worn out ( they are a normal functioning manual trans.) The actuator can’t move in the required position and shift forks could bend or move…..Doesn’t Porsche charge its dealers and licensed mechanics/shops something like $25K (each!) per year to “rent” those two-way readers?
Mine’s a PIWIS 3, and methinks I’m gonna have to split my Cayman’s PDK case to replace the shift fork position sensor soon…the 1-3 shaft:
If I had one I’d probably do some research in Germany, there’s someone who knows and I’m sure you could find parts the same way.
The trans. job (replacement) for the 2013 I’m waiting on runs a little over 30k. Transmission is 31k minus 9k core charge.
Yup… seems like 9 times out of 10 it’s just the little magnet or some tiny circuit in the sensor that has actually failed, and Porsche’s “fix” for a $0.02 part is to replace the entire transmission! LoL I’m sure there are liability issues, and likely contractual obligations with ZF driving that policy, but that’s just nuts for folks driving cars out of warranty.
There’s a couple companies making new (and TBH, better) sensors that are a direct replacement, as well as the tools needed to correctly split the case to get to the sensor.
You have to open the back of the transmission, but it’s a pretty straightforward repair with the right tools. You can even do it with the trans still in the car for the Cayman/Boxsters. Several threads on Planet-9, Rennlist, etc. on the procedure, but this is the one I have bookmarked: https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum/1172826-guide-to-repairing-a-pdk-transmission.html
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Sorry for the thread hijack @sloporsche ! LoL
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If you want to share your reoccurring fault codes (would need the vin as well), I will take a look when I find some time. But like I said actuators or speed sensors aren’t available from Porsche directly, so aren’t repair instructions.
I remember doing some wiring harness repairs inside this trans. years ago, I believe it was a temp sensor in the harness that was updated.
I remember doing some wiring harness repairs inside this trans. years ago, I believe it was a temp sensor in the harness that was updated.
Everyone in the dealership has to follow Porsche guidelines, the rennlisters don’t seem to understand that. I have not looked into it but admit I dislike most stuff posted on rennlist. There are worse people on there than here in the pit
. Hopefully you are successful, sounds like you are on the right path.
The visit work shop light [lol] is lean off idle and that seems to have gone away with dry gas and a change in gas stations if i wrote it down right 2179 . The transmission light was " emergency run " it came on during a WOT spirited street race but re-set after a re-start and is not in the history codes but according to google there is no fix for it 7 speed auto . With the light off and me not playing on the street its giving room/time to get another car 09 987.2 61k on it . I have not gone WOT on the shifts since
the tinkerbells over P9 used to make my head hurtEveryone in the dealership has to follow Porsche guidelines, the rennlisters don’t seem to understand that. I have not looked into it but admit I dislike most stuff posted on rennlist. There are worse people on there than here in the pit
Hopefully you are successful, sounds like you are on the right path.
I have forgotten the exact year the PDK trans came out, but I believe that you own one of the early versions.
Like everything, Porsche is constantly evolving in many aspects and the newer versions in GT3 or GT4 cars are impressive. Very little failure rate too, if any in my part of the woods.
Posted them in my thread on Planet-9 when they popped last year, but the only one that really concerns me is the 1731 code:
Siemens Digital Motor Electronics SDI3
P0007 Implausible signal
Transmission – PDK
C146: U0146 - CAN timeout Gateway
C418: U0418 - CAN fault, brake
0703: Brake light switch Information implausible
17D2: Gear selection hydraulics fault: Odd target gear during overlap
17D1: Gear selection hydraulics fault. No or wrong shift rod moved.
1990: Positive engine torque intervention not possible
1769: 6th gear cannot be engaged or gear skip
176F: 5th gear cannot be engaged or gear skip
1731: Shift rod 1 displacement sensors
17D3: Gear selection hydraulics fault: Even target gear during overlap
Porsche Stability Management - PSM
5400: Fault sport mode
Airbag - POSIP
C141: Communication PCM (display)
C152: Communication PSM control unit (drive)
Gateway
C144: Communication CDR (display)
Front Body Module
8024: Parking light (marker light) front left
8025: Parking light (marker light) front right
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I was able to clear them all, and ran the correct fill process via my PIWIS 3 after a complete service on the PDK, followed by a calibration. Also replaced the battery and cleaned the MAF.
Knock on wood it’s been great since then, no codes at all but watching it closely… If I get to the point where I have to open the case, I’m probably just gonna go nuts and swap in a 3.8 or larger motor too! LoL
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A guy in our local PCA chapter just had his Fabspeed Turbo’d 987.1 rebuilt and enlarged to 4.1L by Hartech’s US distributor Slakker Racing Development up in Oklahoma…I may go that route as well, only without the turbo(s), but if I go down this pathway I’m honestly leaning towards the Deman 4.5L if it’ll fit!
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This thread is an excellent deterrent for anyone considering a German or European luxury brand car.
Are there any of them that display anything approaching good build quality, reliability, or durability? I’m not seeing it.
they can be rather expensive to repair when out of warranty but porsche brakes and handling are something to experience .......750.00 dealer oil changes are an experience too lol
some bmw's hold up well but again expensive to maintain after warranty ....like the z rag top motor
I’ve owned multiple Porsches and all of them have been super reliable and not expensive to maintain or prone to costly repairs in my experience. Land Rovers? Those have been problematic in my experience and prone to be unreliable.
People ask “how do you afford to maintain a Porsche?” It’s easy, I got rid of two Jeeps and have much more dollars to spend on maintenance. Jeeps ate me alive and were not kind when it came to upkeep and maintenance and I don’t slack on preventative maintenance.
If you would see some vehicles damaged during oil changes performed by aftermarket places, you might change your mind.
Oil filters and seals are not fitting properly, transmission drained instead of the engine and double the amount of engine oil in the vehicle (trans is dry now) , no knowledge about dry sump equipped vehicles, overfilled (who knows with what) leaks….. just a slight example.
Lots of newer engines can’t be run with the oil cap off, if one does the oil gets sucked into the intake. Horrible mess!
So $750 is relative, always at least two sides to a story. You will not hear this on rennlist either
i almost always had mine serviced at the porsche dealer and had no regrets and yes my local indy didn't use a new drain plug washer and it leaked plus over filled itIf you would see some vehicles damaged during oil changes performed by aftermarket places, you might change your mind.
Oil filters and seals are not fitting properly, transmission drained instead of the engine and double the amount of engine oil in the vehicle (trans is dry now) , no knowledge about dry sump equipped vehicles, overfilled (who knows with what) leaks….. just a slight example.
Lots of newer engines can’t be run with the oil cap off, if one does the oil gets sucked into the intake. Horrible mess!
So $750 is relative, always at least two sides to a story. You will not hear this on rennlist either
I am re-tired from the auto/truck repair towing business but haven't worked on them too much anymore
