Sidearms & Scatterguns Checking: any problems with the Sig P229?

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Strongly considering buying an Sig P229 M11 A1 for carrying in a chest rig by Hill People Gear when out alone hunting. It would have a tiny Gemtech Aurora II can on it. It’s obviously for backup/last resort. I’ll probably never need it.

So, I ask the collective hive mind; is there anything I should be aware of or worried about re: 229? Just got bit in the ass with the CZ P-01 Omega “walking decocker” retard design flaw.

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Picked this one because no extended beavertail so it’ll fit in the HPG chest rig.

I’m buying new, and prefer hammer fired DA/SA.
 
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These are fine handguns.

I am not sure why you would want a suppressor on it in a chest rig as a back-up. Even that little suppressor you listed will make the overall length of that handgun about 10" long. That's pretty long. Especially if you gotta get it out fast...like in a back-up situation. The suppressor also will not reduce the noise very much, not enough, in my opinion to make it worth the longer draw.
 
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Aftermath said:
These are fine handguns.

I am not sure why you would want a suppressor on it in a chest rig as a back-up. Even that little suppressor you listed will make the overall length of that handgun about 10" long. That's pretty long. Especially if you gotta get it out fast...like in a back-up situation. The suppressor also will not reduce the noise very much, not enough, in my opinion to make it worth the longer draw.
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I’ve got a weird left ear, man. Weird. Won’t bore you.

I know it’ll fit because the CZ P01 + Aurora II fits (as does a Glock 19x + same…but barely & it’s too tight). And the P229 M11 A1 is basically the exact same length as the P01.

As to speed, there’s a technique the HPG boys have developed. Go to about 57sec in this vid to see:


It’s not Jerry Miculek speed, but it’s probably good enough.
 
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ironpony52 said:
great guns what else can you say........
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Give me a DA/SA trigger and a hammer, over any striker-fired pistol any day ... twice on the weekends. I use my P229's for range work, home and car defense. It's a little too big for my taste to carry, but I've loved my P938 for many years as a EDC. I like SIG's and have a bunch of them. That said, I wouldn't touch a P320 with a 100-foot pole.
 
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rustyinbend said:
Give me a DA/SA trigger and a hammer, over any striker-fired pistol any day ... twice on the weekends. I use my P229's for range work, home and car defense. It's a little too big for my taste to carry, but I've loved my P938 for many years as a EDC. I like SIG's and have a bunch of them. That said, I wouldn't touch a P320 with a 100-foot pole.
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Me neither but I do have a M17 & M18 with the safety
 
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carbonbased said:
Just got bit in the ass with the CZ P-01 Omega “walking decocker” retard design flaw.
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Damn... had never heard of this before. I also have a CZ P01 Omega that is my main double stack gun, but was looking at a SIG P229 for another suppressor host.

I know the SIG P226 and P229 are well regarded. Im wondering if there are any differences between the ones that are 10-20 years old vs new manufactured.
 
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SRPowah said:
Damn... had never heard of this before. I also have a CZ P01 Omega that is my main double stack gun, but was looking at a SIG P229 for another suppressor host.
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Yeah, try this. Rack the slide. Then move the ejector up/down/around. Maybe even tilt the gun left. My left side slide release lever almost popped out. And as mainly a bolt gun guy, I’ve barely used the thing so wear isn’t the cause.

Make sure you don’t let it fall out or your finger might get slammed in the chamber.

The thing is held together only by weak friction! Jesus.

Some P01 Omegas are unaffected…with them, I guess the friction is enough, but it’s still a pretty boneheaded design. However, I guess the poly Omegas are gtg.
 
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First off all, thats not a M11. SIG is fucking retarded and slaps that on the side of a P229, which is NOT a M11. The M11 was a German made P228. Completely different gun. The M11 was a very popular pistol for pilots, SEALS , CID and other cool dudes who wanted something that concealed better than a M9. It should have won the M9 trials, but that's water under the bridge.

Questionable as to current quality.

Its a US made sig, so inferior in almost every way to the german and swiss guns. They used to use folded steel slides. Now they used billet.

You are at the mercy of SIG USA machinists, QC, and Indian subcomponets.

If you really want to buy a quality sig, Look out for a used West or German P226 or P228. The P228 is the smaller of the two, easier to carry and you can get 15 round mags for it now. Price will be similar to a new Sig P22X series gun, and quality will be light years better. I just sold my last one off otherwise I would have made you a good deal on it.
 
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I have many SIGs. P220, 2 x P226 40 and 9mm, P229 and P239. LOVE my sigs. Almost all of them have been sent to sig for upgrades like SRT, 11 Degree target crown, trigger enhancement package. They are my favorite and all I carried for many many years. My factory SIG threaded barrel P229 is an awesome suppressor host.

I wouldnt hesitate to buy a P229, its a very nice pistol, regardless of it being West German or USA made. I dont know of anyone that's had any issues with their USA P series sig. West Germans are very nice, I have 2, but again, zero issues with my USA P series either.
 
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All right. Since MIM parts can be good, I’m taking a chance and ordered a P229 M11 A1 + a Sig threaded barrel. The Aurora II has both 13.5x1LH and 1/2x18 threads, so it’ll fit the Sig barrel.

Gotta get a 13.5x1LH piston for my Rugged Obsidian…I sure wish the Fly9 was out when I was looking at the Obsidian.
 
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carbonbased said:
I sure wish the Fly9 was out when I was looking at the Obsidian.
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I went with the CGS Mod9 when it was highly regarded for a handgun specific can... I have a feeling I am still going to end up with the Fly9 long term. I can see myself buying one anyways in a year or two with some really stupid justification.

I expect a follow-up suppressed P229 review so you can help me spend my money.
 
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The 4" P229R (rail) and particularly the P229C(compact / carry with 3.5" barrel, same as P224 barrel on the full size 229 frame) is my favorite. Available in 9 mm, .40 and .357 Sig. All use same 229 mags. Not MIM.

The .357 Sig is nice. All in SAS (Sig Anti-Snag) profiles and added TFX tru-glo front sights.
Have not used them suppressed.

Not much to hate.


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carbonbased said:
Yeah, I was just using the model name. I know it’s retarded.

Are they for sure using MIM parts in the P229/P226 now?!
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Yes. Been verified Indian MIM and other country sources. Anyone trusting sigusa to not fuck up anything is crazy. They are going to be lucky to survive the coming lawsuits. You think quality will go up? Hahahahah.
 
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I mean odds are it will be fine. Most sig owners I know aren't shooters. What I mean is if they shoot A LOT they tend not to run sigs. Wheat separates from the chaff. For an occasional shooter you will probably be fine. I just can't support bad companies and won't reward their treachery with my money. Even if I liked the product.
 
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DeathBeforeDismount said:
I mean odds are it will be fine. Most sig owners I know aren't shooters. What I mean is if they shoot A LOT they tend not to run sigs. Wheat separates from the chaff. For an occasional shooter you will probably be fine. I just can't support bad companies and won't reward their treachery with my money. Even if I liked the product.
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Yeah, I appreciate the input man. I’m definitely the “occasional pistol shooter”. Bolt guns rock harder! lol

I hemmed and hawed on this one. Ultimately I decided to avoid CZ due to the Omega experience (even though the current P01’s are not omegas) and went with the gun that I liked the feel of. Definitely didn’t want to reward asshats, but…I dunno. I guess I did.

Even setting aside the Omega issue, I like the P226/P229 the best. I just had never had one in my hand when I had bought the CZ some years ago.

The design of the P320 is obviously dumb. At least the P229’s design seems sound and time has apparently born that out. Didn’t find any P229 recent problems, but they’re probably out there. Just not in volume.

I wanted a metal hammer-fired DA/SA and almost went to the non-Omega P01, but I have a bad taste in my mouth after witnessing the design of the Omega decocker lever’s retaining method (and subsequent popping out).

Just wasn’t feeling it for the Beretta. Had an M9A3 that I couldn’t shoot worth a darn. I am guessing it was the grip. Weirdest thing. If I had liked it I would’ve sought out the compact version. It was an amazingly well-constructed firearm.

Also tried a Dan Wesson threaded from the factory Vigil. Awesome, but too long for what I want it for, and I wasn’t a fan of the manual of arms (again, for what I want it for). I know I could’ve gotten a Commander-size 1911, but see above. If the gun was just for the range, 1911/2011 all day, I think.

Not a lot of new options out there, and I wanted new because I’m impatient and am trading in a couple pistols.

Hopefully I’m not jumping from the frying pan into the fire!
 
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The Dan Wesson DWX and alot of the budget 2011 are really nice now. I am a striker fired guy. I sold almost all of my DA/SA triggers. Just shoot strikers SOOO much better. Sold off the Sigs, Berettas, CZs, Non VP9 HK's, 3rd gen smiths and just about everything except some old collectable stuff. 1911's are an exception.

Glock and HK VP9s for hard use and carry guns for me. Have a few smiths once custom M&P for wife and a shield i carry sometimes. Shadow systems 920 is a hell of a little carry pistol. Not fun to shoot but very easy to carry. I shot them against the 365 and similar and ended up with it. 2011s in 9mm are a blast to shoot as well. Thats probally my next handgun. I keep trying to thin out the herd and then something catches my eye.
 
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I have a P229/M11A1. Only complaint is it can bite the web of my hand a little bit without gloves on. The full size* P229 beaver tail would be an improvement.

I did notice the recoil spring in my P226 needed replacing after a few thousand rounds or it wouldn't go into battery reliability. For an occasional shooter that probably wouldn't matter.

*I meant to say the Legion type like this:
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Even just the slightly longer P226 backstrap/beavertail works much better for me.
 
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TheBigCountry said:
Dang it man. If I was in the woods, that’s what I would carry and ditch the can. Idk how I would feel about a 9mm against certain big predators.
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Yeah, I’m in Minnesota so I’m not too worried. I have this ammo:

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Potential targets around here would be a cougar, a black bear, a wild dog, or a dude. Real low probability.

If I was in the mountains out west, in Canada or AK, 10mm all the way.

Aftermath said:
I mean...you'd just HAVE to, wouldn't you?
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Lol you caught that sarcasm!

I want to buy all the cans
 
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The main thing that most of the "studies" show about which caliber handgun is good for bear is hitting the bear. Being able to hit the bear with it's head 3" off the ground as it runs at you at about 40 mph from 50 feet is real important. Quite a few documented cases of guys using 22LR to stop an attack. Those weren't suppressed so the noise does come into play. Even a 40 gr solid out of a 22LR is going to sting. If you didn't REALLY fuck up and place yourself between momma bear and baby bear....just getting hits and making some noise is going to be useful.

9mm has proven to be very good at stopping even brown bear attacks. More so than the 45ACP...and I say that being a FUDD and 45ACP fan.

My bear gun is a 454 Casull. I don't remember exactly what the bullet weight is, it's been a couple of decades since I cared but i think 300 gr.

But the main thing is to get hits....so practice with what you choose and be aiming about 2 feet off the ground at something coming at you at 40 mph. Aim for just behind the head at the neck and between the shoulders. Hit the head, too but that area described is going to be pretty much your body center mass punch when you have to go there.
 
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carbonbased said:
considering buying an Sig P229 M11 A1 for carrying in a chest rig by Hill People GDear when out alone hunting.
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P229 is fine for 2-legged varmints when alone, however even in .357 Sig, it has not been well vetted against thick hide North American deadly predators like other legacy calibers. It's a different discussion.

Went Alaska outback last summer, packed out 12 ga. optic-fitted FN Herstal police shotgun for the campsite and S&W 4" Mountain .44 mag with 300 gr flat nose cast bullets for the carry rig. Other campers with similar side arms. No one wants to engage the big game at or near the camp unless absolutely necessary. Left the 10 mm options home.

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strikeeagle1 said:
Exactly. We figured out not all bears had public education and therefore couldn't read signs. So we went further out, and further out.

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That is a nice view of some of the frozen fjord country...even in summer, not many places to land that seaplane, huh?! Where did you fly in/out from? What charter service from there?

I love Alaska. I was born there. I lived north of the Arctic Circle for about 15 years after I was 30.
 
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