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GEISSELE MRGG 6.5 CREED WRITE UP AND REVIEW

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I knew when I first heard some of the bold claims about the Geissele mrgg rifle that I was going to want one to try myself. When they started showing up at Euro and a few other places I went ahead and put an order in. Initial impressions were positive. Fit and finish is unreal. I personally think it’s a super sexy rifle.
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Rifle ships in a nice pelican case with gun lock, manual, and a sweet beanie. Which brings up my first complaint. Give me a freaking magazine with my 6k rifle geissele. Yes I have plenty but it should be standard. Yes I understand ban states etc but literally every other company makes it work. Let’s start back to front.


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STOCK-Ships with a Magpul prs lite. I honestly thought I would change this out. I like a short lop on my rifles but after shooting with it I believe I’ll keep it. No complaints.

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PISTOL GRIP-I like the grip they use on their rifles and it will stay on my rifle. If anything I wish it was a hair more vertical. It fits the hand nice though.

TRIGGER- Comes with a geissele ssa-e trigger which is my favorite offering from geissele. No complaints.

RECEIVERS/CONTROLS- The receivers are machined beautifully. Like work of art beautiful. One complaint I have, and this is carried over with the gfr. They’re to tight. I like a tight upper/lower fit with minimal wobble. What I don’t like is having to use a plastic punch to pop the pins out to field strip. There is a spring loaded plunger in the lower that keeps fitment tight. Maybe a little less powerful spring would split the difference?

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The left side ambi controls are great. I have zero complaints there. The right side is growing on me. The right side bolt release is pretty stiff but has seemed to wear in a little and I can now depress it with my index finger. I do on the other hand struggle to reach the dust cover which actuates the catch on the right side without breaking my grip substantially. With that said I have the hands of an 8 year old girl.


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HANDGAURD- I love the handgaurd. Super solid and has a tab at the 12:00 that interlocks it to the receiver. Full arca rail with mlok slots on the bottom. Two steel qd cups that are positioned closer to the receiver and an included geissele mlok qd cups.




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BCG- The bcg has nice machining and a slick finish. I’m a fan of the nano coating as it cleans up great and has a natural lubricity feeling to it. Bolt has dual ejectors and gas key has good staking. It appears the carrier has some sort of plug/weight? In the rear. Not sure what this is maybe someone will chime in with the answer on that.

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CHARGING HANDLE- Comes with a nice Geissele charging handle. No complaints.


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BUFFER/SPRING- The Mrgg uses geisseles super 42 braided spring and a h2 buffer.
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Geissele advertises the barrel as “user changeable” (isn’t that every ar?) . Here’s the barrel nut pictured. The handguard screws are captured which is nice.


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I struggled to get pics of this but the Mrgg has two sets of feed ramps. One in the normal spot that interfaces with the receiver and another set before the chamber. I assume this helps with bullets not getting deformed.

Now for the accuracy portion. All groups were shot from a bench. A bipod and rear bags were used for all shots. Upon getting the rifle I fully cleaned the bore and shot 10 rounds to zero and season the bore. A Schmidt 5-20 ultrashort was used in a badger comm mount. I want to also mention I tend to shoot much better with a suppresor. All these groups were shot with the hux brake.(haven’t decided if I want to order a hux flow or not)

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Hornady 140 eld match
0.760 moa avg
Avg velocity-2485.1
Extreme spread-92.7
STD dev-27.1
Group 2 the 5th shot was the flyer. Unfortunately it still counts but I will say that shot didn’t feel good. I still included what the group would have measured as a note in the target. 😥


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Hornady 147 grn eld match
1.01 avg moa
Avg velocity-2587
Extreme spread-57.1
STD dev-13.4
It definitely seemed to like the 140s better. I was also a little fatigued trying to make y’all proud and the rifle was hotter. I noted two groups that I didn’t wait as long to shoot on between 5 rounds. Being a gas gun I wanted to see how it did a little warm.

I REALLY think this rifle has potential. Keep in mind this a chf chrome lined barrel! Geissele has their barrel making down. So far I LOVE THIS GUN. Will definitely pick up a 16 inch and 14.5 when they drop. I plan on shooting more when I get a suppresor mounted up. Will get some more factory match ammo options and post up results. I experienced no malfunctions as one would expect. It has a really nice recoil impulse that seems “slower”. I’d encourage anyone who has one to post your findings and results! If anyone has questions for wants info on something specific just ask!

Disclaimer !!!- I typed this out on my phone and I’m not the most literate person. Most likely spelling mistakes and run on sentences throughout.
 
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I knew when I first heard some of the bold claims about the Geissele mrgg rifle that I was going to want one to try myself. When they started showing up at Euro and a few other places I went ahead and put an order in. Initial impressions were positive. Fit and finish is unreal. I personally think it’s a super sexy rifle.View attachment 8739557
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Rifle ships in a nice pelican case with gun lock, manual, and a sweet beanie. Which brings up my first complaint. Give me a freaking magazine with my 6k rifle geissele. Yes I have plenty but it should be standard. Yes I understand ban states etc but literally every other company makes it work. Let’s start back to front.


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STOCK-Ships with a Magpul prs lite. I honestly thought I would change this out. I like a short lop on my rifles but after shooting with it I believe I’ll keep it. No complaints.

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PISTOL GRIP-I like the grip they use on their rifles and it will stay on my rifle. If anything I wish it was a hair more vertical. It fits the hand nice though.

TRIGGER- Comes with a geissele ssa-e trigger which is my favorite offering from geissele. No complaints.

RECEIVERS/CONTROLS- The receivers are machined beautifully. Like work of art beautiful. One complaint I have, and this is carried over with the gfr. They’re to tight. I like a tight upper/lower fit with minimal wobble. What I don’t like is having to use a plastic punch to pop the pins out to field strip. There is a spring loaded plunger in the lower that keeps fitment tight. Maybe a little less powerful spring would split the difference?

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The left side ambi controls are great. I have zero complaints there. The right side is growing on me. The right side bolt release is pretty stiff but has seemed to wear in a little and I can now depress it with my index finger. I do on the other hand struggle to reach the dust cover which actuates the catch on the right side without breaking my grip substantially. With that said I have the hands of an 8 year old girl.


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HANDGAURD- I love the handgaurd. Super solid and has a tab at the 12:00 that interlocks it to the receiver. Full arca rail with mlok slots on the bottom. Two steel qd cups that are positioned closer to the receiver and an included geissele mlok qd cups.




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BCG- The bcg has nice machining and a slick finish. I’m a fan of the nano coating as it cleans up great and has a natural lubricity feeling to it. Bolt has dual ejectors and gas key has good staking. It appears the carrier has some sort of plug/weight? In the rear. Not sure what this is maybe someone will chime in with the answer on that.

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CHARGING HANDLE- Comes with a nice Geissele charging handle. No complaints.


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BUFFER/SPRING- The Mrgg uses geisseles super 42 braided spring and a h2 buffer.
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Geissele advertises the barrel as “user changeable” (isn’t that every ar?) . Here’s the barrel nut pictured. The handguard screws are captured which is nice.


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I struggled to get pics of this but the Mrgg has two sets of feed ramps. One in the normal spot that interfaces with the receiver and another set before the chamber. I assume this helps with bullets not getting deformed.

Now for the accuracy portion. All groups were shot from a bench. A bipod and rear bags were used for all shots. Upon getting the rifle I fully cleaned the bore and shot 10 rounds to zero and season the bore. A Schmidt 5-20 ultrashort was used in a badger comm mount. I want to also mention I tend to shoot much better with a suppresor. All these groups were shot with the hux brake.(haven’t decided if I want to order a hux flow or not)

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Hornady 140 eld match
0.760 moa avg
Avg velocity-2485.1
Extreme spread-92.7
STD dev-27.1
Group 2 the 5th shot was the flyer. Unfortunately it still counts but I will say that shot didn’t feel good. I still included what the group would have measured as a note in the target. 😥


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Hornady 147 grn eld match
1.01 avg moa
Avg velocity-2587
Extreme spread-57.1
STD dev-13.4
It definitely seemed to like the 140s better. I was also a little fatigued trying to make y’all proud and the rifle was hotter. I noted two groups that I didn’t wait as long to shoot on between 5 rounds. Being a gas gun I wanted to see how it did a little warm.

I REALLY think this rifle has potential. Keep in mind this a chf chrome lined barrel! Geissele has their barrel making down. So far I LOVE THIS GUN. Will definitely pick up a 16 inch and 14.5 when they drop. I plan on shooting more when I get a suppresor mounted up. Will get some more factory match ammo options and post up results. I experienced no malfunctions as one would expect. It has a really nice recoil impulse that seems “slower”. I’d encourage anyone who has one to post your findings and results! If anyone has questions for wants info on something specific just ask!

Disclaimer !!!- I typed this out on my phone and I’m not the most literate person. Most likely spelling mistakes and run on sentences throughout.

I bet that flyer in the upper left with the 140s pissed you off..lol

Could you take a picture of the entire barrel so we can see the full contour, I'd also like to see cleaner pics of the Steal guide inside the upper receiver, curious to see how clean it blends into the aluminum

Thanks
 
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I bet that flyer in the upper left with the 140s pissed you off..lol

Could you take a picture of the entire barrel so we can see the full contour, I'd also like to see cleaner pics of the Steal guide inside the upper receiver, curious to see how clean it blends into the aluminum

Thanks
Here are some of the pics I took from initial field strip/cleaning. Shooting it tomorrow. Cheers!
 

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Great review! Glad to hear the right hand bolt release breaks in a bit, not being able to depress with my right trigger finger is my biggest complaint with mine so far.
 
I bet that flyer in the upper left with the 140s pissed you off..lol

Could you take a picture of the entire barrel so we can see the full contour, I'd also like to see cleaner pics of the Steal guide inside the upper receiver, curious to see how clean it blends into the aluminum

Thanks
I’ll get a pic of the entire barrel tomorrow. One thing I failed to mention is how well it balances. It doesn’t feel front heavy like most precision large frames do.
 
I have been reading a lot of posts about the phased array gas porting supposedly decreasing recoil. I think besides the accuracy and reliability, this is one of the more interesting things about the rifle.
 
I have been reading a lot of posts about the phased array gas porting supposedly decreasing recoil. I think besides the accuracy and reliability, this is one of the more interesting things about the rifle.

Well… I was skeptical about this concept but the GFR 6arc is using what appears to be a rifle length gas with the phased array and I tried it with my A5h2/green springco lower and it cycled like butter. Same neat little pile of brass at 3 o clock as with the oem lower.

Still don’t know enough about it to say for sure but I thought that was interesting
 
Hammered out my first 10 rd group this morning after tweaking my 144smk handload a bit for the MRGG. Here's a look at what I'm going to run for a while, plan to revisit accuracy after I get past the 200 rd mark. Pretty happy with the accuracy out of the rifle and to the comments about recoil, yes this is my softest shooting 6.5cm.

ETA: these 10 rds ran an average of 2560 fps

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First time out with the gun today. Incredibly soft. It pairs extremely well and gets even softer with a flow-through can.

First 10 rounds… you can see the POI near the top of the sheet of paper from initial bore sighting. Barrel’s still settling in, but got a rough zero.

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Tested out different factory ammo and suppressor POI shifts for rounds 11-50. Can weighs about 550g and consistently shifts POI down 0.1-0.2 mils.

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All groups shot from modified prone with a git-lite pint sized GC as rear support. Going to patch out the bore about 80% of the way with eliminator, then shoot 10 round groups and test for rail/positional/tripod shift next weekend. But so far, I’m very impressed.

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I bet that flyer in the upper left with the 140s pissed you off..lol

Could you take a picture of the entire barrel so we can see the full contour, I'd also like to see cleaner pics of the Steal guide inside the upper receiver, curious to see how clean it blends into the aluminum

Thanks
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I'll be picking mine up tomorrow. Ill throw in my two cents initially and than after I break in the barrel (Geissele says 200 rounds but we will see if that makes a difference). It's good to see they are performing up to the expectations and hopefully the 14.5 mrgg-a gets released soonish once my bank account recovers.
 
First rounds:

I had just a few minutes before a meeting today. I had 3 guns to sight in and I had to help the boys with their 22s so this will be brief.

My large frame gas gun experience: None. I’ve had a SCAR with an eotech if that counts, and an HK91 with irons.

Recoil: It’s goofy how little recoil I felt. I can’t quantify it, but it really was laughably insignificant.

Upper/lower fit/tension: I love it. If it helps accuracy even a little I’m for it. I don’t need a punch if I squeeze the upper and lower together.

Bullet deformation/Case deformation: Case mouths get dented a little. Bullets get gouged, though it doesn’t seem to impact accuracy. ***Edit*** those gouges appear to be created on extraction, which would mean nothing meaningful is being gouged on loading 🙂

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Accuracy: Remember, I have no large frame gas gun experience. After 2 rounds to get on target, I fired my first 5 round group with Berger 135 grain factory ammunition. It measured just under .6 MOA. The 20 is for size reference and to show what’s left in my wallet after this purchase. I was pressed for time and had to leave, but we’re off to a good start.

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First rounds:

I had just a few minutes before a meeting today. I had 3 guns to sight in and I had to help the boys with their 22s so this will be brief.

My large frame gas gun experience: None. I’ve had a SCAR with an eotech if that counts, and an HK91 with irons.

Recoil: It’s goofy how little recoil I felt. I can’t quantify it, but it really was laughably insignificant.

Upper/lower fit/tension: I love it. If it helps accuracy even a little I’m for it. I don’t need a punch if I squeeze the upper and lower together.

Bullet deformation/Case deformation: Case mouths get dented a little. Bullets get gouged, though it doesn’t seem to impact accuracy.

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Accuracy: Remember, I have no large frame gas gun experience. After 2 rounds to get on target, I fired my first 5 round group with Berger 135 grain factory ammunition. It measured just under .6 MOA. The 20 is for size reference and to show what’s left in my wallet after this purchase. I was pressed for time and had to leave, but we’re off to a good start.

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Im surprised it shot so well gouging the jackets like that. Sweet guns nonetheless, definitely on my list.
 
@SigFanBoi69 , just wondering what scope mount you are running. I’m looking to change one out, and that one looks good. Thanks for any info you can add.
Area 419 TSM, 36mm, 1.535" height, 20 MOA of cant. It's a very solid and compact design, but still gives you the option of mounting accessories like levels, top rails, mrds, etc. Also has minor cantilever built into it, and has a very small footprint which leaves a lot of real estate on your rail for other stuff if you need it. I think you'll love it a lot.
 
@SigFanBoi69 , just wondering what scope mount you are running. I’m looking to change one out, and that one looks good. Thanks for any info you can add.
A419 is probably the best out there right now. Its what Im buying going forward and I have G, spuhr, Grey ops, Badger and NF mounts.
 
Picked up my MRGG today. Fit and finish are excellent and the rifle balances extremely well. The way it balances makes me want a 14.5 inch variant even more now. The barrels not nearly as heavy as I was expecting which probably accounts for the balance of the rifle. I'm curious to see others report on how it handles hot and if theres any poi changes with different shooting positions. Overall very impressed but we will see how she shoots.
 
Ran a couple of patches through the bore, and cleaned out the brass flakes in the receiver from initial break-in. Took the rifle back out today and refined my zero a bit, shot 10rd groups today, and tested for positional shift…. The rail does indeed flex a bit, and you can expect a bit of POI shift (0.2-0.3 mils) going from prone/bipod to bag/tripod.

Zero’d from modified prone. I have a ton of 130gr Norma golden target, and the rifle doesn’t seem to hate it too much. When I’m shooting with a bipod, I put zero load into the bipod and I pull the gun slightly rearward. I find that I shoot a lot more consistently this way.

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Here are some 10 round groups, and velocities. Shot these relatively quickly, but should give you an idea of what the rifle’s true accuracy is. 40 rounds in just under 30 minutes, and 3-4 minutes with a chamber cooler after each 10 round group.

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Now the interesting stuff… I’m seeing about a 0.1 mil shift in elevation downward when I place the bipod in the position closest to the magwell (running a single pull w/ BTC clamp). Shooting off a GC heavy fill bag (touching the magwell) exhibits a 0.3 mil shift down. Clipping into the tripod while sitting down gives me a 0.2 mil shift down. Would just ignore the standing/tripod group, since it’s my weakest position; I had some slight wobble and awful recoil management even though I took my time with the group.

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Enjoy… open to discussion.
 
Ran a couple of patches through the bore, and cleaned out the brass flakes in the receiver from initial break-in. Took the rifle back out today and refined my zero a bit, shot 10rd groups today, and tested for positional shift…. The rail does indeed flex a bit, and you can expect a bit of POI shift (0.2-0.3 mils) going from prone/bipod to bag/tripod.

Zero’d from modified prone. I have a ton of 130gr Norma golden target, and the rifle doesn’t seem to hate it too much. When I’m shooting with a bipod, I put zero load into the bipod and I pull the gun slightly rearward. I find that I shoot a lot more consistently this way.

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Here are some 10 round groups, and velocities. Shot these relatively quickly, but should give you an idea of what the rifle’s true accuracy is. 40 rounds in just under 30 minutes, and 3-4 minutes with a chamber cooler after each 10 round group.

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Now the interesting stuff… I’m seeing about a 0.1 mil shift in elevation downward when I place the bipod in the position closest to the magwell (running a single pull w/ BTC clamp). Shooting off a GC heavy fill bag (touching the magwell) exhibits a 0.3 mil shift down. Clipping into the tripod while sitting down gives me a 0.2 mil shift down. Would just ignore the standing/tripod group, since it’s my weakest position; I had some slight wobble and awful recoil management even though I took my time with the group.

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Enjoy… open to discussion.
In terms of positional shift how does this stack up to other large frame gassers in your experience? Im assuming something like a lmt or jp would do well in this aspect. I also wonder if movement between the upper and lower receiver at the rear pivot pin when loading a bipod could also have an effect? This is just me thinking out loud.