Our Prosperity is Killing Us. - Better explained than I could

[Terry Cross]

I have been a firm believer for quite some time that our culture and our country as a whole is withering. It is a combination of factors that are rooted to the very prosperity that we worked so hard to achieve. Unfortunately a large part of the human nature bell curve can tend to be greedy and lazy assholes.

I've tried to make my argument for this but my own words always seem to fall short.
FF to a friend posting a link to a Bad Cattitude article about this very thing on Substack. Written as an expansion and reply to The Drunk Republican, I think he says it perfectly.

I copied the text from the article, stripped the pictures and ads out of it and have pasted it below.

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FERTILIZING THE MORON FARM

The other day, gatopal™ “the drunk republican” was pointing out one of the odd contradictions of modernity.

But i wonder: is this a contradiction at all? I suspect it is not. I suspect it is, in fact, a sort of emergent property from plenty and wealth and the societal and individual incentives that seem to come with them.

Let us explore this emergent stupidity excursion as, like all such phenomenon, this highly complex and varied structure appears as though it may be well explained by only a few simple causal drivers.

Consider the possibility that the advent of moronical modernity finds its roots in a simple tenet of economics:

when, all else equal, the price of something drops, people choose to consume more of it.

the price of being moronical declined and so consumption of this "good" increased.


Pre-enlightenment, people were poor and life had more notable tendencies toward "nasty, brutish, and short."

It was a time full of severe selectors any of which would both cull you from the herd and assure future generations that genes like yours would not be around to commit further foibles.

The price of moronicality on both the individual and the societal levels was severe and rapid. A world near the edge of its structural carrying capacity to support its humans is a world with small margin for error.

Didn’t lay in enough food or firewood this winter? Guess what happens now.


Allow the nature of your society to become inconsistent with human flourishing and supportive of dependence and predation, and guess what happens then?

How many who fell for “communism could totally work if we just get the right people in charge this time!” are no longer with us to fall prey again?

Such calamity used to be near instant. Now it is a slow burn through the sizable fat reserves of the once replete civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable in the first place.


The “plenty” of the post enlightenment removed these penalties . . . even replacing them with welfare state subsidy.

That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

It's also how you drive and enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to conquest and collapse.


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[91Eunozs]

That was an OUTSTANDING read… Thanks for posting!

Needs some editing for spelling and flow, but extremely well thought out examples. I sent it out to several of my text groups to spread the love.

I always told my kids that being stupid should hurt, so you don’t repeat whatever stupid thing you were doing. Now I have a whole slew of examples and thoughts to go along with that trope to better “walk the dog” for the folks who fall into my orbit.

Again, thanks for posting, that was great!

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Edit: And I just skimmed over the Bastiat reference the first time. “The Law” is one of the books that I gave my kids when I thought they were old enough to understand it, and I always keep a couple copies on hand to give away (along with a few other favorites like Ayn Rand’s Anthem, etc.) to introduce folks I meet, usually friends of my kids, to a thought process and path that will hopefully help them find their way out of the dark and poisonous places they usually wind up after being indoctrinated through our current “education” system.

 

[Terry Cross]

That was an OUTSTANDING read… Thanks for posting!

Glad to share.

Almost didn't cause it's a LOT of words in one post and I didn't want to look like L . . . . . .well . . . . you know. . . some forum members can type like a mad man! LOL.

 

[Mike Casselton]

Glad to share.

Almost didn't cause it's a LOT of words in one post and I didn't want to look like L . . . . . .well . . . . you know. . . some forum members can type like a mad man! LOL.

You're not referring to the guy that writes 19 full paragraphs to say, "I bought a shotgun that I've always wanted" are you?

 

[BurtG]

Suffering from suffrage



We have been paying morons to breed and penalizing successful smart people for breeding

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make ram men. Weak men make hard times. Repeat.

Been saying for years that societies of old could not support people sitting around contemplating their navels and looking for stupid ways to force people into unnatural lifestyles.

They were too busy bringing in the wheat or the heat or the fish or pounding the grain into mush to be standing around screaming people‘s lives matter.

And those mental midgets who were doing that sort of thing in old societies were typically burned as witches or banished for the good of the community as a whole once we start tolerating that stuff and have a society that is wealthy enough to support it in its endless quest to destroy the very society that breeds it. Well then it’s time for that society to get recycled.

Pretty sure the Greeks, the Romans, the Aztecs and the British have proof that true just in recent memory

Cheers and great read!!

 

[748rpilot]

"It's hard to get out of bed at 5 AM to do road work when you've been sleeping in silk pajamas." --Marvin Hagler

I think it's part of the human condition, our programming. When times are hard, you work, so that when times are easy, you rest.

Where we find ourselves currently is in a state where most have it very easy. Food, water, shelter, transportation, modern medicine, electronics, the internet...all have made, and make, daily life much easier. The threats have all but been removed.

In my opinion, this is also why the welfare state, and any form of communism or socialism is so dangerous, should it be allowed to take hold. Would the population, on its whole, do any more meaningful work, or make meaningful progress, if all their basic (and some intermediate) needs were met simply by virtue of existing? I submit that they would not, the current abuses of our welfare/EBT/SNAP schemes, and government subsidized urban housing being prime examples.

On a micro level, look at anyone you know and think about how their behavior has changed as they've gotten older and made more money. The lifestyle creep kicks in, and soon their excesses become their new standard, rather than putting away for lean times.

This isn't relegated to monetary systems, either, I don't think. Think about life before the Internet became ubiquitous. You had to learn by doing, or by apprenticing under a learned elder, or by picking up books, that you had to go to a library to get, and reading, thinking, and applying it to practice.

Then the Internet became widely available, with it coming the extreme availability of information. Anything you want to know is a Google search away. Read the whole book or article? Why? CTRL+F is right there! Predictably, as the internet has become a main-stay of Western life, the rate of book reading by younger generations has dropped. There are studies that show that reading information from books, and writing notes, thoughts and ideas by hand, significantly increase retention and understanding. The easier it is to access information, the less important it becomes to retain knowledge.

Now think about it in the context of the AI boom.

At our core, I just don't think that many people are programmed to keep their nose to the grindstone in the face of ease and abundance.

 

[RTH1800]

"Fertilize the Moron farm"

 

[ironman56]

You're not referring to the guy that writes 19 full paragraphs to say, "I bought a shotgun that I've always wanted" are you?

Not fortunate waterfowl.

 

[LeftyJason]

Glad to share.

Almost didn't cause it's a LOT of words in one post and I didn't want to look like L . . . . . .well . . . . you know. . . some forum members can type like a mad man! LOL.

There is a big difference between who you were referencing and others. I feel you definitely skew much much more @sirhrmechanic level of rant.


First thought reading this reminded me of something that we go over roughly once every four years since I was in high school.

It's sad how often it happens. The way to break it is to remember God and the lower half can be lessened.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

There is a big difference between who you were referencing and others. I feel you definitely skew much much more @sirhrmechanic level of rant.

Is that a good thing?? Or should I give myself a Clavin??

 

[918v]

The reason people are morons is because their parents turned over their rearing to the state long ago.

 

[Mike Casselton]

The reason people are morons is because their parents turned over their rearing to the state long ago.

I mostly agree.
To some people, it just comes natural...

 

[TheHorta]

Hard men create weak times.
Weak times make men hard.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Is that a good thing?? Or should I give myself a Clavin??

You mean you didn't already give yerself a Clavin for the episode with the liberal woman in the furry Ugg boots looking for her long lost Pekingese ?

You're slipping............

 

[LeftyJason]

Is that a good thing?? Or should I give myself a Clavin??

If you ever forget how good you can be, reread your description of the queen's funeral procession commentary.

 

[doubloon]

I don't tend to think it was specifically the "plenty" of "post enlightenment" that kicked off the welfare state and spiral of .gov dependence.

It was the FED reaction to the Great Depression that created safety nets for a suffering population. Not only do these safety nets still exist today, the FED expands them at every opportunity because a docile and dependent population is easier to control and tax than a vigorous and independent population. "Plenty" is relative, no matter how little was in the hands of those who had "plenty" the FED would still have taken it from them.

If these programs had been rolled back as FDR, maybe disingenuously, suggested nearly 100 years ago things might be different.

Franklin D. Roosevelt Speeches: Annual Message to Congress 1935 | Pepperdine School of Public Policy

Pepperdine School of Public Policy faculty research: Franklin D. Roosevelt Speeches: Annual Message to Congress 1935. The New Deal

publicpolicy.pepperdine.edu

The covid panic is an example of a .gov orchestrated effort to shore up .gov dependence, literally destroying the livelihoods and independence of many people virtually overnight. Then flooding the population with more people requiring welfare.

Rob from the rich and give to the poor isn't an altruistic ideology, it's a lucrative business.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

If you ever forget how good you can be, reread your description of the queen's funeral procession commentary.

That was kinda funny!!

 

[MK20]

"Fertilize the Moron farm"

I am tempted to do this almost daily, but I think I picture fertilizing in a different manner than they do.

Weak times make men hard.

Your thermals make me hard. Where are the cool pictures of a cheap kitchen table with an entire retirement's worth of optics on it?

 

[Ronws]

Hard men create weak times.
Weak times make men hard.

And smart men make whiskey.

 

[lash]

Whiskey is never out of fashion. Since someone figured out how to make it.

 

[Holliday]

[Socrates] The process is as follows: When a potter becomes rich, will he, think you, any longer take the same pains with his art?

[Adeimantus] Certainly not.

[Socrates] He will grow more and more indolent and careless?

[Adeimantus] Very true.

[Socrates] And the result will be that he becomes a worse potter?

[Adeimantus] Yes; he greatly deteriorates.

 

[anon]

There will always be people capable of creating value.

The test is their place in society.

Values, and mores ...

Prosperity is learned behavior, that other stuff is people taking from those that create value.

 

[P-Squared]

You mean you didn't already give yerself a Clavin for the episode with the liberal woman in the furry Ugg boots looking for her long lost Pekingese ?

You're slipping............

@Threadcutter308 , @sirhrmechanic

I need a link to Ugg boots post because a friend is asking.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

@Threadcutter308 , @sirhrmechanic

I need a link to Ugg boots post because a friend is asking.

I can’t find the dog psychic thread? It get nuked?

I did find the queen rant, though.

The Queen's Funeral... I could not stop watching!

So had HRH Elizabeth II's funeral playing in the shop basically all day while fitting up a crankshaft and some other stuff. OMFG... listening to the commentators and 'play by play... ' was utterly killing me! I know it's supposed to be a somber occasion and that there is a whole lot of...

www.snipershide.com

Sirhr

 

[Defiantly_Not_Bender]

I have been a firm believer for quite some time that our culture and our country as a whole is withering. It is a combination of factors that are rooted to the very prosperity that we worked so hard to achieve. Unfortunately a large part of the human nature bell curve can tend to be greedy and lazy assholes.

I've tried to make my argument for this but my own words always seem to fall short.
FF to a friend posting a link to a Bad Cattitude article about this very thing on Substack. Written as an expansion and reply to The Drunk Republican, I think he says it perfectly.

I copied the text from the article, stripped the pictures and ads out of it and have pasted it below.

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FERTILIZING THE MORON FARM

The other day, gatopal™ “the drunk republican” was pointing out one of the odd contradictions of modernity.

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But i wonder: is this a contradiction at all? I suspect it is not. I suspect it is, in fact, a sort of emergent property from plenty and wealth and the societal and individual incentives that seem to come with them.

Let us explore this emergent stupidity excursion as, like all such phenomenon, this highly complex and varied structure appears as though it may be well explained by only a few simple causal drivers.

Consider the possibility that the advent of moronical modernity finds its roots in a simple tenet of economics:

when, all else equal, the price of something drops, people choose to consume more of it.

the price of being moronical declined and so consumption of this "good" increased.


Pre-enlightenment, people were poor and life had more notable tendencies toward "nasty, brutish, and short."

It was a time full of severe selectors any of which would both cull you from the herd and assure future generations that genes like yours would not be around to commit further foibles.

The price of moronicality on both the individual and the societal levels was severe and rapid. A world near the edge of its structural carrying capacity to support its humans is a world with small margin for error.

Didn’t lay in enough food or firewood this winter? Guess what happens now.


Allow the nature of your society to become inconsistent with human flourishing and supportive of dependence and predation, and guess what happens then?

How many who fell for “communism could totally work if we just get the right people in charge this time!” are no longer with us to fall prey again?

Such calamity used to be near instant. Now it is a slow burn through the sizable fat reserves of the once replete civilizational success that made everyone so comfortable in the first place.


The “plenty” of the post enlightenment removed these penalties . . . even replacing them with welfare state subsidy.

That's how you fertilize a moron farm.

It's also how you drive and enable antisocial behavior and open up a society to conquest and collapse.


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If anyone cares to read it direct from the source instead: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/...GY_SBv96FRA-a7D5Oc_aem_iEbRBfTqrgjFx3bqYXf5cQ

Pride cycle. Every. Single. Time.

I’ve been trying to say this in many different angles.

The prosperity enjoyed and built from 1950’s to 2000 will never happen again. It has divided society from haves to have-nots on a global scale. The momentum of wealth into a smaller group of people has failed every single time.

Those who care more about a bank account or power over others than women and children starving to death, have already failed.

This world will pass away with the second law of thermodynamics. Those lambos’ and private jets will end up in the junk yard without fail. 100% failure rate.

I am baffled by people who collect stuff, and I mean way past reason (ammo doesn’t count) especially non intrinsic value crap like Pokémon cards, Pogs, or Funko-pop shit tier garbage. But some of them “go for a bunch of money!” Ok.

Pretend the Zombie Apocalypse hits.

What are they worth now?

I’m preaching to the choir, I get it.

But listen.

I PROMISE it is going to get worse.

Unimaginably worse before it gets better. And it might take 20 years or more to turn?

Why are the uber wealthy building under ground bunkers in remote areas?

I hope I’m called chicken little and proven wrong. But this full death sprint into the arms of Palantir and Peter Theil with his death-cult belief of transcendent Transhumanism and technology “saving” the soul is pure fantasy and extremely scary.

Trump isn’t going to save you. He was the chocolate covering on the poison pill of AI domination led by technocrats and Zionists.

Call me crazy as much as you wish.


I know I’m right.

 

[Aftermath]

This is the more wordy way to say:

“Hard times create strong men.​

Strong men create good times.​

Good times create weak men.​

Weak men create hard times”​

 

[Smokeshot]

The cycle won’t end until Jesus returns.

 

[Emerson0311]

Pride cycle. Every. Single. Time.

I’ve been trying to say this in many different angles.

The prosperity enjoyed and built from 1950’s to 2000 will never happen again. It has divided society from haves to have-nots on a global scale. The momentum of wealth into a smaller group of people has failed every single time.

Those who care more about a bank account or power over others than women and children starving to death, have already failed.

This world will pass away with the second law of thermodynamics. Those lambos’ and private jets will end up in the junk yard without fail. 100% failure rate.

I am baffled by people who collect stuff, and I mean way past reason (ammo doesn’t count) especially non intrinsic value crap like Pokémon cards, Pogs, or Funko-pop shit tier garbage. But some of them “go for a bunch of money!” Ok.

Pretend the Zombie Apocalypse hits.

What are they worth now?

I’m preaching to the choir, I get it.

But listen.

I PROMISE it is going to get worse.

Unimaginably worse before it gets better. And it might take 20 years or more to turn?

Why are the uber wealthy building under ground bunkers in remote areas?

I hope I’m called chicken little and proven wrong. But this full death sprint into the arms of Palantir and Peter Theil with his death-cult belief of transcendent Transhumanism and technology “saving” the soul is pure fantasy and extremely scary.

Trump isn’t going to save you. He was the chocolate covering on the poison pill of AI domination led by technocrats and Zionists.

Call me crazy as much as you wish.


I know I’m right.

I am almost convinced to jump on a rifle optic deal I’ve been putting off.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Whiskey is never out of fashion. Since someone figured out how to make it.


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The industry is in a serious down turn right now. Many of the distilleries are in trouble with bankruptcy. Several of the big ones have already turned in their yearly reports and they are not good. Most of the big distilleries are turning in their reports next week and are expected to be the same.
Hopefully it will be good for us in reducing some of the bloated price increases over the last several years

 

[lash]

The industry is in a serious down turn right now. Many of the distilleries are in trouble with bankruptcy. Several of the big ones have already turned in their yearly reports and they are not good. Most of the big distilleries are turning in their reports next week and are expected to be the same.
Hopefully it will be good for us in reducing some of the bloated price increases over the last several years

Yup. Too many players = over saturated market. The big bourbon craze is fading somewhat with nothing on the horizon to replace it. The market will correct itself in time and then there will be fewer players.

 

[346ci]

The cycle won’t end until Jesus returns.

Best response so far. While I agree with what others have posted, we are not going to repair what has been done.

 

[Fig]

Read the Bible. Struggle is part of the deal when you live in a fallen world. Without it you become weak and it’s easier for Satan to get his hooks into you.

CS Lewis describes this in the Screw Tape Letters.

Be not deceived, Wormwood, our cause is never more in jeopardy than when a human, no longer desiring but still intending to do our Enemy's will, looks round upon a universe in which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.

C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
Tags: inspirational

If we promoted justice and charity among men, we should be playing directly into the Enemy's hands; but if we guide them to the opposite behaviour, this sooner or later produces (for He permits it to produce) a war or a revolution, and the undisguisable issue of cowardice or courage awakes thousands of men from moral stupor. This, indeed, is probably one of the Enemy's motives for creating a dangerous world—a world in which moral issues really come to the point. He sees as well as you do that courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point, which means, at the point of highest reality. A chastity or honesty, or mercy, which yields to danger will be chaste or honest or merciful only on conditions.

C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters

 

[Rthur]

I believe part of this transition requires the down playing of those who created the good times/living conditions
to placate those who can't wipe their own ass.
There has always been a portion of men that did the work.
They've been relegated to obscurity to celebrate the incompetent and useless.
All but invisible to modern society yet it would fail over night if they stopped.

R

 

[doubloon]

Yup. Too many players = over saturated market. The big bourbon craze is fading somewhat with nothing on the horizon to replace it. The market will correct itself in time and then there will be fewer players.

Tell me you're not saying diversity can be a bad thing. Surely the DEI bourbons have a place on the barkeeps shelf.

The big name distillers are just as guilty of diluting the market with "specialty" and "artisan" bourbons as the next guy. How many flavors of Jack and Beam are on the shelf these days?

 

[lash]

Tell me you're not saying diversity can be a bad thing. Surely the DEI bourbons have a place on the barkeeps shelf.

The big name distillers are just as guilty of diluting the market with "specialty" and "artisan" bourbons as the next guy. How many flavors of Jack and Beam are on the shelf these days?

I couldn’t agree more and was my point. The market will adjust to reality one way or the other. Oversupply, undersupply stuff.

 

[lash]

Tell me you're not saying diversity can be a bad thing. Surely the DEI bourbons have a place on the barkeeps shelf.

The big name distillers are just as guilty of diluting the market with "specialty" and "artisan" bourbons as the next guy. How many flavors of Jack and Beam are on the shelf these days?

Back to the basics:

 

[mi650]

I believe part of this transition requires the down playing of those who created the good times/living conditions
to placate those who can't wipe their own ass.
There has always been a portion of men that did the work.
They've been relegated to obscurity to celebrate the incompetent and useless.
All but invisible to modern society yet it would fail over night if they stopped.

R

Who is John Galt?

 

[Fig]

Honestly, I read The Screwtape letters while serving, and seeing things from the Satanic point of view is very illuminating. It’s also a very funny book.

 

[Mr.BR]

0.7% of the population id as trans. An estimated 5-8% of men in US “identify” as pedophile. Estimated 5% of men and 0.8% of women molest underage kids

 

[mkollman74]

"Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And weak men create hard times"

Challenges tend to create resilience and prosperity tends to create complacency, apathy, and weakness.

 

[DocRDS]

While I thin kit is some of our prosperity, I also think its our "kindness" and the "want to help" that's causing a lot of issues.

Don't you want to help the downtrodden, the poor, the puppies?

We need more money for our schools! Hospitals! Roads!

But no onve ever asks "How is that money spent" or
By giving this to someone how will i t impact their life?

Is it kind to let your adult child stay at home? Or are you really shafting them of their own independance skills? My son thinks I'm an asshole for kicking him out. But the "kindest" thing I can do is get his ass standing on his own two feet. We worry about how people "think" of us. Well they'll think I'm an asshole! I've come to terms with that.

Is it kind to not tell an employee they are underperforming? Why? How can they fix what is wrong? How will they learn the consequences of poor performance? No one in my job wanted to deal with the wet blanket morale drag. So I told him exactly the problem. He got mad and retired. I don't miss him. He can be angry at me. I was fair but tough--nothing that ever wasn't expected of me. "I'm the boss, this is what I expect--you don't have to like it, but my rules as I'm in charge and all of my rules have X,Y,Z reasons"

My 0.02

Stop worrying about "offending people"

 

[eca7891]

“ I never knew being stupid would be so expensive “

One of the better things I’ve heard.

In todays society the successful are covering that bill.

 

[ironman56]

Tell me you're not saying diversity can be a bad thing. Surely the DEI bourbons have a place on the barkeeps shelf.

The big name distillers are just as guilty of diluting the market with "specialty" and "artisan" bourbons as the next guy. How many flavors of Jack and Beam are on the shelf these days?

Speaking of DEI in bourbon, I was in the liquor store last week and thought I'd try something different, seen a bottle of Uncle Nearest, thought what the hell , bought it , after a few days I read the backside and it is the oldest distillery owned and started by a black man , don't remember the year but it was the 1800's and it was good bourbon , but I ain't no whiskey snob so take that with a grain of salt. I'll probably never buy another one but it was interesting nonetheless.

 

[GreenGO Juan]

Not a more interesting time to be alive.

The world has never been at man’s fingertips the way it is today.

We are literally living at the peak of human development as known in modern history and personally do not see it as a down fall, I think we will keep persevering and moving forward .

 

[Darayavaus]

Herodotus told the story about the Persians, that they were taught 3 things from childhood - to ride, to shoot straight, and to speak only the truth. That is what it meant to be a true man. And the story goes that after Cyrus and his Persians had conquered the civilized world, their nobles and wise men went to him and said (to the best of my recollection) 'lets leave our rocky homeland and take one of the rich and decadent lands that we have won. We can live in luxury and wealth there, and since the beginning of time, this is what the winners do after the wars are ended'. Cyrus told them that they may do as they like, but if they do so, they must prepare no longer to rule, but to be slaves to others. It is not possible for any land to produce both idle luxury and good soldiers. Soft lands, he said, breed soft people.
we live in a soft land, and many of the soft people are averse to speaking the truth, let alone shooting and acting like men.

 

[Darayavaus]

Not a more interesting time to be alive.

The world has never been at man’s fingertips the way it is today.

We are literally living at the peak of human development as known in modern history and personally do not see it as a down fall, I think we will keep persevering and moving forward .

you are living on the greatness of others. You have 6000 years of other people's history, inventions, and willpower to coast forward on. Very few people today could do what their ancestors did, nor even survive for a month without the artificial support of society around them.

Progress in civilization depends on invention, and a rapid rate of invention requires a large population. But even with our massive population now, inventions are coming at a slower pace per 10000 people that what they did in the past.

 

[lash]

you are living on the greatness of others. You have 6000 years of other people's history, inventions, and willpower to coast forward on. Very few people today could do what their ancestors did, nor even survive for a month without the artificial support of society around them.

Progress in civilization depends on invention, and a rapid rate of invention requires a large population. But even with our massive population now, inventions are coming at a slower pace per 10000 people that what they did in the past.

“Do not let your view become too narrow, lest you lose sight of reality.”