This is what is rocking & shocking the EPG world.

This is true. The generating capacity doesn't exist to support these. I've been consulting with a group that represents some venture capitalists on solutions and opportunities. We've been looking at things like the actual data center design incorporating "hot aisle/cold aisle" data racks (not really that new) to on-site, off grid power generation utilizing different fuel sources such as hydrogen, nat gas turbine generators and small-scale nukes. Hydrogen is the most plentiful fuel source on the planet, the problem is how to economically separate it from water or nat. gas. Currently electrolysis for water and a process called steam reforming are used to generate H2 on an industrial scale. The latter relies on nat. gas and/or Petrochemical by products as feedstock so these H2 plants are normally sited next to a refinery. This is why the tech industry is booming here in Texas. It's not becuase they love our barbeque or want to follow Musk. It's our oil/gas/refinery wealth. That and lots of relatively cheap land. Bottom line, if you can't bring the power to the data center, bring the data center to the power source.
As for nuclear, interesting story. About eight years ago I was introduced by a friend/business associate who worked for the late Paul Allen's Vulcan Real Estate company, to a couple of brilliant guys who were working on a new small scale, breeder reactor concept. Breeders actually create more fissionable material as they operate (think sour dough starter). My friend knew about my nuclear background from the years I spent at the Hanford Reservation in Eastern WA. When I was at Hanford, they (the Fed old Atomic Energy Commission) had built a large scale breeder called FFTF (Fast Flux Test Facility) and I at the time worked for Exxon Nuclear on building fuel bundles for another project called LOFT for the Navy.
Anyhow, one of the big challenges with FFTF and breeders like it is they are cooled via liquid NaK (sodium potassium) which is extremely volatile when exposed to the atmosphere as the mere humidity will cause it to ignite and cannot be extinguished. So removing the fuel cores must be done in a constant atmosphere of inert gas, in this case Argon.
At any rate, the two gents I met with had developed some new tech concept that was much safer. Unfortunately, as far as I know this enterprise died when Mr. Allen passed away.
It's all fascinating stuff and there is a lot of research going on at the power generation level because yes, AI is a fricking freight train coming down the tracks with no brakes.
For any investors out there, my recommendation is to look at the power generation piece and not the data./IT end of it as that is where some entity is going to break through.
Sorry for the long post and here endeth todays lesson;)
 
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This is true. The generating capacity doesn't exist to support these. I've been consulting with a group that represents some venture capitalists on solutions and opportunities. We've been looking at things like the actual data center design incorporating "hot aisle/cold aisle" data racks (not really that new) to on-site, off grid power generation utilizing different fuel sources such as hydrogen, nat gas turbine generators and small-scale nukes. Hydrogen is the most plentiful fuel source on the planet, the problem is how to economically separate it from water or nat. gas. Currently electrolysis for water and a process called steam reforming are used to generate H2 on an industrial scale. The latter relies on nat. gas and/or Petrochemical by products as feedstock so these H2 plants are normally sited next to a refinery. This is why the tech industry is booming here in Texas. It's not becuase they love our barbeque or want to follow Musk. It's our oil/gas/refinery wealth. That and lots of relatively cheap land. Bottom line, if you can't bring the power to the data center, bring the data center to the power source.
As for nuclear, interesting story. About eight years ago I was introduced by a friend/business associate who worked for the late Paul Allen's Vulcan Real Estate company, to a couple of brilliant guys who were working on a new small scale, breeder reactor concept. Breeders actually create more fissionable material as they operate (think sour dough starter). My friend knew about my nuclear background from the years I spent at the Hanford Reservation in Eastern WA. When I was at Hanford, they (the Fed old Atomic Energy Commission) had built a large scale breeder called FFTF (Fast Flux Test Facility) and I at the time worked for Exxon Nuclear on building fuel bundles for another project called LOFT for the Navy.
Anyhow, one of the big challenges with FFTF and breeders like it is they are cooled via liquid NaK (sodium potassium) which is extremely volatile when exposed to the atmosphere as the mere humidity will cause it to ignite and cannot be extinguished. So removing the fuel cores must be done in a constant atmosphere of inert gas, in this case Argon.
At any rate, the two gents I met with had developed some new tech concept that was much safer. Unfortunately, as far as I know this enterprise died when Mr. Allen passed away.
It's all fascinating stuff and there is a lot of research going on at the power generation level because yes, AI is a fricking freight train coming down the tracks with no brakes.
For any investors out there, my recommendation is to look at the power generation piece and not the data./IT end of it as that is where some entity is going to break through.
Sorry for the long post and here endeth todays lesson;)
Local-ish to me, there are proposals to build data centers next to gas fields to use for generation so that pipelines the national government is determined to thwart are not required. Saddle Hills county looks to be well situated for this. Now to nail down a job in the industry.
 
If you think it's bad with power, just wait until you see what it does to the local water supplies...

All that power gets essentially turned straight into heat and that heat has to be cooled somehow...

Citizens can't have water for their lawns, pools or foundations, but the big data guys can have all they want...
 
If you think it's bad with power, just wait until you see what it does to the local water supplies...

All that power gets essentially turned straight into heat and that heat has to be cooled somehow...

Citizens can't have water for their lawns, pools or foundations, but the big data guys can have all they want...
Depending the type of liquid cooling used, local water may or may not be effected. Closed Liquid w/air to air heat exchangers would require much more power, and the rejected could be a major issue depending venue.
 
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Depending the type of liquid cooling used, local water may or may not be effected. Closed Liquid w/air to air heat exchangers would require much more power, and the rejected could be a major issue depending venue.
Probably end up being water to water heat exchangers with facilities next to rivers or oceans. That was how it was done at the nuc plant I worked in.
 
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Probably end up being water to water heat exchangers with facilities next to rivers or oceans. That was how it was done at the nuc plant I worked in.
Base load plants, I don't have issue with. Data centers moving in, eating 100% of base load capacity, is a totally different animal to me. Remember what data centers are all about. They are but self serving agenda drivers,...
 
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Probably end up being water to water heat exchangers with facilities next to rivers or oceans. That was how it was done at the nuc plant I worked in.
If primary (reactor core) cooling is done with NaK or other form of molten salt, it will be air to air heat exchange. Any water around NaK is baaaad ju-ju! Relatively inefficient, yes but it has been done ala FFTF.
 
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All to power idiotic database software that 'looks' intelligent to inflate huge stock valuations for garbage companies.

It's bigger than the Dot Com bubble and when people figure out it is all a scam, is going to crash faster than sock-puppet pet food e-companies in spring 2000... The whole thing is a giant financial scam. And when it goes, it's going to take the markets with it.

But, hey... that's the point, isn't it? Pump and dump. Leave Ma and Pa Kettle with their 401K holding the bag and now dependant on Social Security and catfood.

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If you think it's bad with power, just wait until you see what it does to the local water supplies...

All that power gets essentially turned straight into heat and that heat has to be cooled somehow...

Citizens can't have water for their lawns, pools or foundations, but the big data guys can have all they want...
Yep, I’ve built some of these. When I saw how much water capacity they required and also the future add-on installations planned…it’s concerning. Makes me think about the claims that the water wars will come eventually.
 
Yep, I’ve built some of these. When I saw how much water capacity they required and also the future add-on installations planned…it’s concerning. Makes me think about the claims that the water wars will come eventually.
It has already begun here. Some big corporation wanted to tap our abundant aquifer here and send it to the cities. It has been shot down, for now.
 
Having studied in the nuclear industry, I tend to keep up with industry news. I read somewhere Trump was going to fastrack for these plants to go ahead a build their own nuclear generation plants.
 
Tallgrass (gas company) has entered into a partnership with a data center builder to build a center south of Cheyenne, WY. The center will be powered by natural gas generators, and cooled with air in the winter, submersibles in the summer. Should be interesting to see how it turns out.
 
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Just the word "datacenter" should scare the living shit out of anybody who truly understands what is going on.

If mankind is around in 100-200 years that will be a miracle of some kind. Cockroaches must be arming up ready to take over the world.
 
If primary (reactor core) cooling is done with NaK or other form of molten salt, it will be air to air heat exchange. Any water around NaK is baaaad ju-ju! Relatively inefficient, yes but it has been done ala FFTF.
My understanding of the details, let alone modern nuclear, is quite limited. It was a BWR with a hot turbine side. Probably designed in the late 60’s or early 70’s. BSEP.