I Spy New Baby Razor G3 4-24
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If it's similar to the 6-36 won't it stand out based on FOV, eyebox, and easy to use controls?
The fov on a 6-36 isn't any better than tangent 35X or NF 35X. I don't expect the eyebox to be great on a 12.5" long 6x erector 4-24, physics will not be in its favor. I don't think the gen3 has any easy to use controls that set it apart, do you? The turret locks sucked for the first year, plus the zeroing system is as out of norm as you can get.
I have 4 of the 6-36 gen3s. They're a good scope, I also have the $1300 delta 3.5-21 which is most likely the bones of this new vortex, as it's low japan made. I'll likely get this new gen3 4-24 and run it through it's paces, if it's not $1k better in my eyes over the Delta, it'll get passed onto someone else.
The Gen 3 controls are easy to use and zeroing is easy as well. Loosen one screw and adjust and then tighten it. Yeah out of the norm and that’s a good thing as it’s very easy to use. Turret locks were fixed after the first run years ago so not even worth bringing up. They learned from that so highly doubt the new 4-24 will have that issue.
Having used other 4-25s with good eye boxes I see no reason why this scope should be any difference being a 4-24.
I love the negativity with no first hand knowledge. Why no wait until it’s out to “review”
Most folks don't realize it is much easier to loose an ounce or 2 in their gut then trying to squeeze an extra ounce out of their rifle system. Just food for thought.
I think the R3's AFOV is only one degree better than the NF but is 2 degrees better than the TT. For whatever that's worth being a 5-10% difference.
I think I'm a bit biased since I'm comparing my R3 to my NF 7-35. The magnification doesn't turn the whole eyepiece, the illumination isn't push button, and the zero-stop system is considerably more idiotproof/easy to use.
I REALLY like the R3 zeroing system though so I guess we just differ there. In fairness it doesn't help that my NF's zero-stop is non-functional right now since it came (new in box) with galling in the internal threads that prevent the clutch from rotating all the way down. I'm sending it to NF for repair after an important hunt I want to use the NF for in a few weeks.
My theory (and not pointing fingers at anyone specific) is deeeep down, some folks want an excuse to not buy X gear for some combo of:
- Autistic fixation on specs
- Not doing the thing (yet) that they want the scope for (like sheep hunting), and
- Using the fact that X scope doesn’t exist as an excuse for not doing said activity (sheep hunting), because
- They aren’t committed to said activity, and
- Ultimately, irritatingly, confusingly, not wanting to spend the $ if X gear exists
Cue whinging…lol
So you guys are telling me i can buy one of these for $800+ more than a second hand Kahles 624i that weighs 1.5 ounces more? That's an expensive upcharge for the vortex warranty, zeroing system, and a smaller form factor that I never notice.
Regarding the weight discussion...
For NRL Hunter, I'd rather have the heaviest rifle in Open Light than the Lightest rifle in Open Heavy.
Every ounce matters.
I also want the best optical system i can afford, both $ & Oz...
For NRL Hunter, I'd rather have the heaviest rifle in Open Light than the Lightest rifle in Open Heavy.
Every ounce matters.
I also want the best optical system i can afford, both $ & Oz...
So if I lost 5 pounds from my fat ass i could just carry a 15# rifle around the mountains and it would feel like my 10# rifles do now?
Ive been looking for an improvement on the NF 4-16x42 so im here for this even at 32oz. Do I wish it was magically half a pound lighter? Sure.. But then do we risk reliability like the rumors of the 4.5-22x LHT?
The psychological diagnosis’ that pop up on here are very interesting.
Sprung vs unsprung mass?
maybe we should all just wait to see the actual specifications (and verify them) before we get our pant!es in a twist.
I just want a nice optic for a gas gun. I was looking at the Steiner T6xi 3-18 and NF 4-16x42 but might wait a bit and throw some more money at one of these (after I wait and see what the actual street price and true specs are). I'd prefer it to be a 3x on the bottom end (or even a 2.5 if I'm being honest) but can probably figure out a way to make the 4-24 work.
I just want a nice optic for a gas gun. I was looking at the Steiner T6xi 3-18 and NF 4-16x42 but might wait a bit and throw some more money at one of these (after I wait and see what the actual street price and true specs are). I'd prefer it to be a 3x on the bottom end (or even a 2.5 if I'm being honest) but can probably figure out a way to make the 4-24 work.
I’ve used AI to provide me a psychological analysis on myself and a few other members of the this site. Lol
There are spec sheets floating around in the wild, I saw one yesterday. Everything already posted in this thread is pretty spot on. 32oz, 31' - 5ish' FOV at 100 yards, same xmas tree reticle.
It all adds up to the same weight, doesn't matter where you carry it. IMO, I'd rather be somewhat fit (Mountain Ready) and carry a rifle that is slightly heavier so when i need to take the shot of a lifetime, Myself and my weapon sys are ready to do so. Shooting a 8lb 7 prc, 300 prc, 300wm, etc are typically not too fun to shoot often. I.e. very hard to spot impacts / misses, on target. Not to mention, people that don't get out and shoot as much as they should, develop a legit flinch because they know that rifle is about to kick the crap out of them. Competent shooter of course can do fine with this, but it does take some time behind the platform.
Possible Covert Whinging found! Centering around price is probable!
ok guys, just giving you some good-natured shit. Not going for some slugfest. Stan, I know where you stand on price that that’s ok.If we couldn’t joke around on this subforum, it would be…the rimfire section!
Or maybe a 2.5-15x. I think that would probably fit better in their full lineup. Would be a sweet SPR optic.
Doesn't work that way. Otherwise carrying shit in your hands would be nearly as comfortable as in a good pack frame that puts that load on your hips but it doesn't even work out close to being that way. And being part of your body basically balanced on your center of gravity is notably better than in a well designed pack.
These days I care more about reticle than price, and what I care about in a reticle Vortex will never make.Possible Covert Whinging found! Centering around price is probable!
If we couldn’t joke around on this subforum, it would be…the rimfire section!
-Stan
My favorite hunting rifle optic is a 4-16 ATACR and I’ve built all my bagpack hunting guns to be 11 to 12lbs, I like a rifle that you can watch your impact and is enjoyable to shoot. A little extra weight in a quality optic is fine with me.
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I've heard all I need as far as specs. It will work for my application. Price is the question I want answered most.
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If all of your boxes are checked, expect a MSRP of $4k with a $3k street price because there is always a trade off somewhere.
I would hope street price would be less than the 6-36, but that will probably not be the case at release.
It absolutely matters where you carry it... having an extra 5 pounds in your gut has zero effect on your arms. Carrying a 1lb object for an hour is way different than carrying a 5lb object for an hour, which is way different than carrying a 15lb object for an hour. Holding your arms up with nothing in them versus holding them up with 5lbs in them drastically changes how long you can hold them up before they get too tired (and obviously 8lbs vs 14lbs as well). If you add weight to your arms, your legs are dealing with a little more weight too, but they're used to carrying let's say 200lbs... a 5lb or 2.5% increase in that is nothing compared to a ~100% increase in what your arms are carrying (forearms/hands + objects). The effort required by the arm muscles over time is substantial. Adding 2.5% of weight for your leg muscles is nothing by comparison.
So, no, shaving 5lbs off your gut is not like shaving 5lbs off your rifle. Not even slightly. And shaving 4oz off your rifle has a much bigger effect on your stamina than 4oz off your gut, as a result. I don't know why I even have to say this because it should be obvious.
I agree with this, however my weapon is stowed in a kifaru gun bearer for majority of my time in the field, if it's not there, it's strapped to pack. Or in carrying in hand if I know animals are near spot/stock style hunting. So prob 90% the time my rifle is essentially body weight. I am in shape and relativly lean.
Still, ounces matter and my goal for the rifle, optics, supressor, bipod and ammo is 11# max, preferably closer to 10#. I have been running the Triji 3-18 tenmile at 24oz for last 3 seasons on my primary hunting rifles, and the scopes served me well, and they're extremely reliable in zero retention/tracking. I'm good with a sub 30oz scope. But once I get over that, I'm then looking to shorten barrels, or change bipod, just picked up a zero gravity 6.5 cal supressor that's under 6oz, that's taking 4 oz off one my weapons, I can now budget weight to other places. I guess I'm just an nerd, and probably hung up in shit that really doesn't matter to others. I don't hunt sheep, but chasing elk around the mountains on foot isn't a lot different, 40+ miles a season on foot in the mtns, a heavy gun isn't a lot of fun.
I'm still excited to see them brining out a smaller razor, and it'd be great to see a 2-12 or 3-18 in the future on a lighter weight 30mm tubed version. Somewhere in that 26oz or less range.
Most folks doing high altitude hunting, don’t carry a rifle in their arms for the majority of their time hunting. If one did I would agree with you. Most of the time while wilderness hunting, folks seem to either strap their rifle the side of their pack or sling it in some form or fashion. I agree with what you’re saying, but every time I’m been in the mountains, I’ve seen none of my hunting partners carry their rifle in their hands or arms for lengthy portions of time ( obviously this changes on an active stalk). Let’s be real, this started over and ounce or 2. Most humans can’t tell that difference if it’s not written on a sheet of paper.
2oz? Is nothing and until the product is actually released the bitching and moaning is pointless
Here is what I know
The Razor 6-36 gen 3 is the finest long and extreme range scope dollar for dollar I have ever used
The Mil Rad reticule from Vortex is extremely easy to use and teach students to use
The adjustments are stupid easy to learn
The Razor LHT FFP is an excellent hunting scope. Most hunters don’t need a sniper type scope because they really don’t beat there gear up
The 4-24x44 Razor will fill the need between a light hunting scope and the extreme range 6-36. Providing a great optic for DMR and mid range sniper type systems. It will also fill a need for super tough hunting scope for those beating the crap out of there hunting rifles
Toughness generally adds a bit of weight to anything.
Here is what I know
The Razor 6-36 gen 3 is the finest long and extreme range scope dollar for dollar I have ever used
The Mil Rad reticule from Vortex is extremely easy to use and teach students to use
The adjustments are stupid easy to learn
The Razor LHT FFP is an excellent hunting scope. Most hunters don’t need a sniper type scope because they really don’t beat there gear up
The 4-24x44 Razor will fill the need between a light hunting scope and the extreme range 6-36. Providing a great optic for DMR and mid range sniper type systems. It will also fill a need for super tough hunting scope for those beating the crap out of there hunting rifles
Toughness generally adds a bit of weight to anything.
Man, you guys are whiney! All I want is a 2-32X dual focal illuminated reticle, with semi locking turrets, <24oz, <$750 optic. Is that so hard?
When I am in the gym following a realization of two additional ounces in a scope, I find fractional plates to be of value in readying myself for carrying the extra weight:
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-Stan
5 LB Set Color Fractional Plates
The Color-Coded Olympic Fractional Plates are sold as a full set of 5 LB, with weight increments of 0.25 LB (Green) , 0.5 LB (Yellow) , 0.75 LB (Blue), and 1 LB (Red).
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-Stan
What makes you think the 4-24 will be any more durable than the 6-36? It's not exactly a durable "sniper" optic either (when compared to the likes of NF, S&B, etc).
Not saying it will be more durable than the 6-36 which from my experience is tough enough
Zero retention should be a pretty dang high priority. I'm not sure if thats what your talking about with "toughness"
Out of my 2 Razor LHT. Only 1 would hold zero. Most hunters have dropped or banged their scopes/rifles off of trees, rocks, etc.
These aren’t LHTs. They are Gen 3s which get banged around a good deal and are fine for zero retention.
Talked to a certain dealer that has foreign sounding name, they still don't know pricing. However they did say it's a great scope and steps above the NX8 optically but 3oz heavier. So they either have em, or have had demos, or vortex has given them a field trial with the optics.
I agree they aren't the lht. Just pointing out those can suffer zero shift if they get knocked around . Haven't had that issue with my g2 or g3 razors
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