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#601
Not sure what the max LOP of the TCS is while still keeping full engagement of the butt pad columns in the KMW hardware, but if you needed it longer it would not be difficult to make longer columns for the butt pad assembly.

My hunch is about 14.5-14.75 max LOP with the stock columns, but I'll try and remember to check tonight.
 
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#602
Just got home and checked, about 14.8" max LOP leaving full 1.1" engagement of the columns into the KMW clamp bar.

2 options to increase the LOP if you need it longer would be longer columns or a spacer under the buttpad.
 
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Kiba said:
Just got home and checked, about 14.8" max LOP leaving full 1.1" engagement of the columns into the KMW clamp bar.

2 options to increase the LOP if you need it longer would be longer columns or a spacer under the buttpad.
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Thanks dude, appreciate it.. Thats longer than I thought, I do not need it any longer than that
 
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I am putting together a build and if I am doing the math right it's going to be around a 25lb rifle w/ can and bipod using the quoted TCS-Max weight. I assume the 8.9lb weight is quoted with the crutch weight and all rail weights installed? If so I can add the butt weight and dump the crutch weight?

My only frame of reference is an 18lb GAP 6mm creed and a 6.5CM AI @ 19.5lbs. This isn't necessarily a PRS rifle so much as a general precision build, I'm not concerned about the rifle being heavy as I am being out of balance. I am worried that the newer style TCS-Max will be extremely nose heavy given my desire to run a 28" 1.25" barrel and can.

For how long wait times are, I don't want to buy the wrong Manners stock.

Two areas of concern that might make the rifle out of balance are:
28" 1.25" (I could go 26")
TBAC Magnus-S RR

Are my thoughts of being unable to get the rifle in balance unfounded or a sincere concern? I wanted to ask here from actual TCS users.
 
#609
hairy_pineapple588 said:
So how heavy is everyone getting their Tcs for pre. Anyone running a 1.25 straight in theirs and can tell me how much it weighs?
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My rimfire build is running a 1.20 straight 24 inch and weights in at 18.5 lbs. That's with almost no weights in the aluminum rail. Depending on which rail you have, the max weight will vary a bit. If you have the OG steel rail, it can go from 1.3 lbs to 2.4 lbs. The new aluminum rails max out at 1.4 lbs and the Area 419 version with brass maxes out at 1.9 lbs. You can also add that new front weight if you have the Aluminum rail which adds another 1 lb IIRC.

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#610
RadioActivity said:
I am putting together a build and if I am doing the math right it's going to be around a 25lb rifle w/ can and bipod using the quoted TCS-Max weight. I assume the 8.9lb weight is quoted with the crutch weight and all rail weights installed? If so I can add the butt weight and dump the crutch weight?

My only frame of reference is an 18lb GAP 6mm creed and a 6.5CM AI @ 19.5lbs. This isn't necessarily a PRS rifle so much as a general precision build, I'm not concerned about the rifle being heavy as I am being out of balance. I am worried that the newer style TCS-Max will be extremely nose heavy given my desire to run a 28" 1.25" barrel and can.

For how long wait times are, I don't want to buy the wrong Manners stock.

Two areas of concern that might make the rifle out of balance are:
28" 1.25" (I could go 26")
TBAC Magnus-S RR

Are my thoughts of being unable to get the rifle in balance unfounded or a sincere concern? I wanted to ask here from actual TCS users.
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A 28” straight might be a bit nose heavy, a 26” will do well. My Foundation Samson rifle with the rear butt stock weights removed and brass up front was very nose heavy with a 26” crb comp.
 
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RadioActivity said:
I am putting together a build and if I am doing the math right it's going to be around a 25lb rifle w/ can and bipod using the quoted TCS-Max weight. I assume the 8.9lb weight is quoted with the crutch weight and all rail weights installed? If so I can add the butt weight and dump the crutch weight?

My only frame of reference is an 18lb GAP 6mm creed and a 6.5CM AI @ 19.5lbs. This isn't necessarily a PRS rifle so much as a general precision build, I'm not concerned about the rifle being heavy as I am being out of balance. I am worried that the newer style TCS-Max will be extremely nose heavy given my desire to run a 28" 1.25" barrel and can.

For how long wait times are, I don't want to buy the wrong Manners stock.

Two areas of concern that might make the rifle out of balance are:
28" 1.25" (I could go 26")
TBAC Magnus-S RR

Are my thoughts of being unable to get the rifle in balance unfounded or a sincere concern? I wanted to ask here from actual TCS users.
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How heavy are you trying to make it? You could definitely be nose heavy if you run the full set of weights in the front plus the extra weight they include. With a 28" 1.25 barrel and can, I don't see a reason to buy the Max over a regular TCS unless you want a super heavy rifle. I've handled a 25 lbs rifle and it just seems excessive to me. Though that also depends on what cartridge you're running. If you're running something like a 6 BR/GT, you really don't need a 25lb rifle IMO.
 
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It's less about how heavy I want to make it and the build components I wanted. I can play with barrel profile and length a little. I am unsure if I'll run the can (mirage is enough of an issue) but at the same time I can always spin on a comp if I want to return to it. I just shoot suppressed so much better without getting clobbered with concussion.

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CRB Comp 28" (1.25) 6.5CM
Magnus S RR w/ SR mount
TCS/TCS-Max (the question)
7-35 ATACR
Condition One Max mount w/ level
Triggertech
Bottom metal undecided.
Atlas CAL or Ckye undecided.

Not a gamer gun in GT, it's a 6.5CM. I'll never carry the rifle far, other setups do that better.

If you add up all the weight - and what I'm assuming is the all up weight of the TCS-Max - it's 25lbs, if the quoted 8.9 lbs for the max does indeed include the crutch weight. I just want to make sure I'm not going to make something absolutely miserably nose heavy. If the OG TCS is the better choice I can put in an order for one.

It's hard to make decisions on setup when people have various generations of TCS.
 
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RadioActivity said:
It's less about how heavy I want to make it and the build components I wanted. I can play with barrel profile and length a little. I am unsure if I'll run the can (mirage is enough of an issue) but at the same time I can always spin on a comp if I want to return to it. I just shoot suppressed so much better without getting clobbered with concussion.

737R
CRB Comp 28" (1.25) 6.5CM
Magnus S RR w/ SR mount
TCS/TCS-Max (the question)
7-35 ATACR
Condition One Max mount w/ level
Triggertech
Bottom metal undecided.
Atlas CAL or Ckye undecided.

Not a gamer gun in GT, it's a 6.5CM. I'll never carry the rifle far, other setups do that better.

If you add up all the weight - and what I'm assuming is the all up weight of the TCS-Max - it's 25lbs, if the quoted 8.9 lbs for the max does indeed include the crutch weight. I just want to make sure I'm not going to make something absolutely miserably nose heavy. If the OG TCS is the better choice I can put in an order for one.

It's hard to make decisions on setup when people have various generations of TCS.
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The quoted weight for the TCS-MAX includes the crutch weight. I think they actually changed that rail from their modular one to a solid rail with that weight out front. I could be wrong, but that's what they're selling in their parts section now:

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Between the massive weight of your barrel plus the suppressor, I don't think there is any reason you would benefit from the TCS-Max.
 
#614
Mark_Dorman said:
The quoted weight for the TCS-MAX includes the crutch weight. I think they actually changed that rail from their modular one to a solid rail with that weight out front. I could be wrong, but that's what they're selling in their parts section now:

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Between the massive weight of your barrel plus the suppressor, I don't think there is any reason you would benefit from the TCS-Max.
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Totally agree, the standard TCS is all you will need.
 
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Mark_Dorman said:
The quoted weight for the TCS-MAX includes the crutch weight. I think they actually changed that rail from their modular one to a solid rail with that weight out front. I could be wrong, but that's what they're selling in their parts section now:

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Between the massive weight of your barrel plus the suppressor, I don't think there is any reason you would benefit from the TCS-Max.
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That is frustrating, I didn't realize that.
 
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Chopping Broccoli said:
New TCS Max Rimfire Edition in Wasteland High Gloss.

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Damn that’s sexy! Need one of those!
 
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Mark_Dorman said:
The quoted weight for the TCS-MAX includes the crutch weight. I think they actually changed that rail from their modular one to a solid rail with that weight out front. I could be wrong, but that's what they're selling in their parts section now:

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Between the massive weight of your barrel plus the suppressor, I don't think there is any reason you would benefit from the TCS-Max.
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TCS Max has a diff rail and also an internal weight molded inside the forend that a standard TCS does not have.
 
#627
Jorah.g said:
Brilliant collection. I just placed an order for a Max in Saltwater Camo. May I ask where did you get the QD/Mlok rail combo? From what I asked around Manners does not make that or installs it. It seems like a more practical rail vs just 11 QD holes.
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I think the QD/Mlok was a prototype deal for the team shooter from what I’ve heard.
 
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#628
The hybrid Sikes/Mloc rail is only available on the TCS MAX Rimfire edition when purchased direct from a MCS team member. I’ve got some more inventory due in a week or two and would be happy to put your name on one PM for more details.
 
#629
Chopping Broccoli said:
The hybrid Sikes/Mloc rail is only available on the TCS MAX Rimfire edition when purchased direct from a MCS team member. I’ve got some more inventory due in a week or two and would be happy to put your name on one PM for more details.
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Gotcha. Thanks for that info. I just purchased a TCS-Max Rem700 stock from Altus and its on the way back to Manners for a Sikes rail install on the right side. I asked the Altus guys if this rail combo rail I saw here was offered by Manners but they said negative. I was thinking that a Sikes/Mlok combo would be more practical then 11 QD point from which most likely only one will be used. But I have not used a TCS stock before so intrested to see how things will turn out once I complete the build.

Originally I purchased a MDT Acc Gen2 chassis for a PRS rifle build, but I absolutely cant stand the loud clang that comes out when working the bolt. After I saw a MCS-TCS in person and sat behind it and shot it... I was sold. So here I am :)
 
#630
Chopping Broccoli said:
The hybrid Sikes/Mloc rail is only available on the TCS MAX Rimfire edition when purchased direct from a MCS team member. I’ve got some more inventory due in a week or two and would be happy to put your name on one PM for more details.
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See, that’s kind of ridiculous, if a guy wants the mlok they have to find a special team member? What if a guy just wants mlok slots and doesn’t give a shit about the Sike’s clutch (like me)? Why does Manners change up their hardware stuff so randomly (like why there’s like 4 different versions of the TCS ARCA rail which aren’t all compatible with each other)?

The stocks take 6 months minimum, at least let us order what we think we’re ordering.

I’d dig a TCS with zero Sike’s clutch provisions… instead, 3 pairs of mlok slots per side, steel one-piece ARCA rail as heavy as can be, money. That way, if someone wants a Sike’s clutch in a certain position, they can attach an mlok qd point and voila, or if someone else wants provisions to play with mlok weights, they’re covered and get 3 sets to mess with (which is significant).

Don’t get me wrong, I love my Manners TCS, first generation heavy ass steel rail version that’s apparently not compatible with any of the other later TCS rails. But it’s kind of strange how the configurable components aren’t consistent, and necessarily decided upon, I guess that’s why they’re still “custom stocks”…
 
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#631
"(like why there’s like 4 different versions of the TCS ARCA rail which aren’t all compatible with each other)?"


I haven't met single person who liked the 419 serrated arca rail....
 
#632
When MCS inletted the brass bar in the forend for the new MAX, they reconfigured the bolt pattern of the ARCA rail so that they could drill and tap the brass bar to serve as the nuts for the ARCA bolts. It is unfortunate that they couldn’t use the same bolt pattern but it undoubtedly is the strongest method. There are aluminum tunable rails and heavy steel rails available from MCS that fit the new bolt pattern. The serrated Area 419 rail was dropped years ago and was only a short term solution until their own tooling was up and running.

You can order a stock through a team member same as online through the website. I’d be happy to help you or give you a list of other team mates that could do the same. The idea is that being custom, there are soooo many variations and possibilities. Working through a rep can help you get exactly what you want and offer ideas, final weights, balance points of various configurations, etc that is simply impossible with an online drop down configurator.
 
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