Rifle Scopes Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

[taseal]

I have an Eotech on my AR15, and I really like it.

but I'm a sucker for those ACOGs. they're just too awesome. I love them in the Army. clear, and precise.

but they have always been otu of budget for me...

Well I have a contact that is willing to trade my Eotech for a TA01NSN. They are (re)painted black, but optics are in good condition.

I think a straight up trade is a pretty good deal I think.

what do you guys think?

I know they are 2 diff types of scopes, but I'm talking about value wise....

let me add that they are not the copycat ones. it's got the serial number etched in on top.

 

[clj94104]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

If its legit and not a fake. Um, yes.

 

[hk dave]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

You're serious, a 512 for a TA01NSN? If the Acog is real, then yes, it's a friggin awesome trade considering a used 512 goes for $300 or so.

 

[taseal]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

Words were thrown around for maybe Eotech 512 +100

I told him I'd have to sell my Eotech before I can take it off his hands and he said why dont u just give me your Eotech and I'll sell it for you and you can just take teh ACOG.

perhaps he doesn't know it's a 512. I don't know. but I'll gladly give 512+100 bucks. lol

The 'thing' that's holding me back is that this is a TA01NSN. so no fiber optic illumination. so during daytime, I don't have the red-chevron or anything. just a black cross hair pretty much with the BDC

and yes it's the real deal. it's no fake. I can spot a fake just by the clarity. lol this thing is clear as it can be, and has the laser etched serial number on top. the J2:18 verse and all the good stuff. they were supposedly beat up pretty well cosmetically so he painted them black.

He actually told me to take one home with me so I can check it out, play around with it and stuff, but god forbid I break it or something then I'm screwed, so I told him no thanks. lol

 

[athhud]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

If you don't take it, I will! I'll even up the ante to a 552

 

[taseal]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

Damn it!

it's just the fact that My Eotech suits my AR's intention. close up. within 100-200 yards max.

but this damn TA01NSN is too good to pass up! for the trade value. maybe I can have the gf let me get a Eotech around april again, so I can switch if I want (or get another AR15 lol)

I really wish it had a chevron too. not too fond of the all black reticle.

grrr

he has 8 of them I think... but he wants 600 for them. he's only doing the eotech thing for me because I've made other purchases from him.

These TA01NSN models aren't military only right. I have seen them for sale ranging from 500-800 dollars.

 

[Redmanss]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

I run an NSN on my rifle at home and also ran one for a while over here. They're a great scope but yes, close range they can be a pain. Get a RD up top of whatever variety you can come up with, train with the shifting cheek-chin weld, and then you have a very versatile setup.

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

People give the NSN no credit... it is the best optic they have.

The NSN has ladder bars from zero to 600 (load / atmosphere / velocity dependent)where as the FO mods don't start until 400. This allows ease of ranging, fractionalizing, and since the NSN is externally adj (remove the cap) unlike the FOs (coin slots) - if you know the MOA value in between the stadia based on your load and your rifle, you can manipulate which ladder bar you use - now we go back to fractionalizing for wind..

In close - if you really can shoot, you don't focus on the reticle for anything inside of 25 yrd - you shoot by index - it is much faster. Precision from 5 to 100 is actually faster with the ladders because (again load and barrel length specific) you will use a 200 / 300 /500 ladder bar to punch an eye box at a close distance. It is easier to find that ladder than where you need to be on the doughnut, how far above the POI on the Chevron, etc.

Lastly, the amber is far less over powering in low light than red (I have never used green).


Ditch that silly BUIS on top of it and work on shooting by index alone.


Good luck

 

[taseal]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

Any possibility they have some with green reticles?

I looked it up, and they're all amber according to trijicon. But these glow up green supposedly (a friend who got one said so, I didn't get a chance to look)

It's not the fake one where they aren't tridium though. It's not battery powered or anything. And I would for sure be able to tell it was fake just by clarity. It's actualmtridium (the front sight was tritium too)

Little confused about this.

I mig stop by and get a couple pictures or take one home to analyze better

 

[taseal]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

Ok apparently there are some green ones out there

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=256274

 

[taseal]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People give the NSN no credit... it is the best optic they have.

The NSN has ladder bars from zero to 600 (load / atmosphere / velocity dependent)where as the FO mods don't start until 400. This allows ease of ranging, fractionalizing, and since the NSN is externally adj (remove the cap) unlike the FOs (coin slots) - if you know the MOA value in between the stadia based on your load and your rifle, you can manipulate which ladder bar you use - now we go back to fractionalizing for wind..

In close - if you really can shoot, you don't focus on the reticle for anything inside of 25 yrd - you shoot by index - it is much faster. Precision from 5 to 100 is actually faster with the ladders because (again load and barrel length specific) you will use a 200 / 300 /500 ladder bar to punch an eye box at a close distance. It is easier to find that ladder than where you need to be on the doughnut, how far above the POI on the Chevron, etc.

Lastly, the amber is far less over powering in low light than red (I have never used green).


Ditch that silly BUIS on top of it and work on shooting by index alone.


Good luck </div></div>

What do you mean shooting by index?

both eyes open?

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

Index = reference point. Shooting by reference instead of visual alignment of the sights.

In this case a body part. Given that one has a long gun in hand, that reference point is the shoulder pocket. In a static position it may be expanded to include strong side hip. However, since you need to be able to make hits on the move the shoulder pocket is a better way to think of it.

Index shooting is basic skill every should work on, and fortunately if you shot a lot - you naturally do it to a degree already. A great way to confirm what your doing is real is to pull the optics off the carbine, tape over the post in the tower (or better yet - run it slick with no sights) / tape over, or pull the sights off of your blaster and do the work. It emphasizes that sights are not required if one's awareness of the relative position of their own body to the target is acute. Another way to explain it is - the COF requires the shooter to move (run) and engage a multi target array spaced 3 yrds apart and 5 - 15 yards off of the path of the shooter. When you shoot that at top speed what is
faster? Visually aligning the sights on the 0 or A on the target? Or mentally quartering the COM A zone and trusting that event though you are on a dead run as long as your sternum (handgun) or shoulder pocket are oriented directly in line with POA at the time
the shot is broken - the shot will be in the A zone? It is the same concept as lag putting where one never takes their eye off the cup.

With practice it is very fast and very accurate.



Good luck

 

[taseal]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

I get it.

pretty much you're saying take all your sights off and shoot without them. but in your typical shooting position.

That sure would take alot of skill, but I have alot of time on the M4, so maybe I do it naturally already. no idea

 

[Mo_Zam_Beek]

Re: Trade my Eotech 512 for TA01NSN ?

If you have a lot of time with a carbine - you do it already. Index is simply about being grooved - the mount - or the relationship of one's body (from the shoulders up) is the same every single time. You can prove it to yourself dryfiring with irons or a magnified optic. Pick two points 10 yrds away, mount the gun, and fire without focusing on the front site. Now hold the position after you fired and focus on the front site - how far off of your perfect POA were you? An inch?

When you put an ACOG on the carbine, start in close, start static and just set 3 targets out say 7 yrds out and 5 yrds apart. First few runs - just mount the weapon, mentally quarter the COM A zone and fire one round. Then run all 3 and start working on your swing - don't get visually sucked into the sight. Then start moving back and pick up the pace. Now start shooting on the move. You will probably get to @ 20 before you start to consistently drop shots into C and D zones.

With respect to index and ACOGs all I am saying is in close that eye to eye / scan to aim transition is unnecessary and slow inside of @ 25.


Good luck