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Fieldcraft Clearing a house questions

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Buddhapapa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Guys,

Not a great believer in the effectiveness of 911.</div></div>
What did you search to resurrect a one and a half year old thread? Just curious as your addition seems odd.
 
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let me amend my earlier advice and just say, crap your pants the smell will clear your house for you.
 
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Am I the only one that thinks this is paranoid since he lives in *BASE HOUSING*.

Theres a reason for the gates, barbed wire, and sec forces/MP's patrolling around. Nothing for you to worry about.

Besides, from the looks of it, you only have to worry about middle-eastern Majors going batshit and killing people...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TOP PREDATOR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">important part is, he actually USED the search. </div></div>

That was honestly stupid of him, he should have just posted the question he wanted to ask, that probably gets asked every other day, hopefully it is a counter sniper scope question!
 
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Me personally:

I'ld hold up in the bathroom on the floor, sighted down the hallway.

Ya you cant see into the whole kitchen or living room, but to get anywhere in the house but the back wall of the kitchen, it look like you have to cross the line of sight of that hallway.

If you dont have reason to believe they are already in the childrens rooms, dont go to them, let them come to you. If you do have reason to believe they are in the childrens rooms, then you have bigger issues and problems.
 
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I have no choice but to clear the house. The little one sleeps across the other side of the house as our ranch style is a split bedroom design. I have the front door and back door (probable entry point) to negotiate.

We have a detailed plan that we go over... the little one knows that if she hears anything, she gets under the bed and only comes out for mommy or daddy. We keep our 40's in the nightstand safe, I clear and the wife calls 911.

I have no choice but to get to my daughter. I do have some tactical advantage with split walls and open floor plans that give me good angles.. but ... I know the faster I can get to her the better. I have no choice but to shoot center mass on any adult in the house on the way... I will not know how many are in the house.

If one was to slip by me and get to the Master,.. Wifey has her 40 ready to go.

The best I could come up with. We have an alarm system that goes off in our room at any door or window opening. Hopefully that will give me an advantage.

Thoughts?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VA Gentleman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no choice but to clear the house. The little one sleeps across the other side of the house as our ranch style is a split bedroom design. I have the front door and back door (probable entry point) to negotiate.

We have a detailed plan that we go over... the little one knows that if she hears anything, she gets under the bed and only comes out for mommy or daddy. We keep our 40's in the nightstand safe, I clear and the wife calls 911.

I have no choice but to get to my daughter. I do have some tactical advantage with split walls and open floor plans that give me good angles.. but ... I know the faster I can get to her the better. I have no choice but to shoot center mass on any adult in the house on the way... I will not know how many are in the house.

If one was to slip by me and get to the Master,.. Wifey has her 40 ready to go.

The best I could come up with. We have an alarm system that goes off in our room at any door or window opening. Hopefully that will give me an advantage.

Thoughts?

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An easy-to-remember code word for your family, to avoid you inadvertently being shot as an intruder when coming back to the MB with the kid. Also, that would be the only word that the child would come from under the bed for. As a secondary measure, if things were to get sideways it wouldn't hurt for you and your wife to have separate responses to the initial code word that mean "okay" and "trouble".

That's the only thing I've got - it sounds like you're much more prepared in the event of an intrusion than most people. That means you have a leg up on the average homeowner who would go into a blind panic instead of having a pre-thought out plan to run through. Good on you.
 
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I sometimes, leave all the lights off in my house, when i am going to get a glass of water or the bathroom at night, Just to make sure I am keeping sharp. [/quote]

+ one here
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. This is not a topic I would go into detail in on an open forum because the tactics for a home defender to clear his castle are almost identical to the tactics a home invader could use.
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Yeah, because if I was dumb enough to break into peoples houses at night Id check snipershide first.
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IMHO, clearing a house is a job for trained professionals, which I ain't. I want A) cops on the way, and B) as much distance as possible between us and anyone (cops included) who may have a trigger finger, itchy or otherwise.

Obviously such an approach won't work in all situations, but as a first course of action, I honestly believe it's a good start.

The difference between preparedness and premeditation is a thorny thicket to navigate. The less I do beyond providing means and silent conjecture, the better.

Publishing specifics on a public web site does not fit comfortably within my intentions. If one must, PM's provide a better communications channel.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The difference between preparedness and premeditation is a thorny thicket to navigate</div></div>

That is an excellent point which is worth noting.
 
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I know this is an old thread. Here is my idea, <span style="font-weight: bold">I have no training</span> so listen to the expert's advice.

Instead of sleeping in the master bedroom, move to the front bedroom. From low in the doorway, you can watch the dining room and kitchen, plus cover the hallway. Less chance of hitting the neighbor's house too. You call 911 and keep that position with the kids in the bedrooms behind you. If you must go to the kids room, have your wife cover you from the doorway. If the intruders are in a position to see to the end of the hallway, she will see them too. You could then cover your wife's retreat and hole up in the back bedroom watching the door. No point in trying to clear the blind spots in the kitchen/dining room/living room/courtyard by yourself, wait for the professionals to do that.

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Id make a couple peepholes thats suitable for kill zones in the house, but I think some states would frown upon that..
 
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Everybody needs to set up for FPF for their house. Aiming stakes and the works.

Geess where do you people live.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3. You have a MUCH greater advantage as a ensconced defender than as a moving combatant.

Scoop up the kids and retreat to the master bedroom. Barricade the door and kill anything that tries to breach it.</div></div>

Gotta agree with these two points myself. The limited training I've had in clearing buildings made me realize the truth in them.

If you can get everybody into the master bedroom and out of the way, you're golden. If anybody comes through the door... do what you have to do to keep 'em safe.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HillbillyfromAL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....You want to be as quiet as possible then surprise them with A light in the face, and a shotgun loaded with birdshot in hand. I would suggest after positive ID just shoot them and make sure they are dead...... </div></div>

See a couple folks shot with bird shot. Yet to see one die from it. Seems to piss people off though.

Make sure you are giving advice grounded in reality not interwebnet myth.

Bird shot is great for training on steel. It sucks for defense. I seriously doubt you will find anyone who teaches combat shotgunning suggesting bird shot unless you are being attacked by pheasant.</div></div>

You never know...I hear pheasants can be pretty aggressive...
 
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I was the victim of a home invasion in 2003. I was fortunate to have my Ridgeback alert me to the threat prior to the intruder being made aware of my active presence in the home. Thus allowing me to contact local law enforcement and position myself at what I then deemed to be an optimal vantage point.

As others have said, gather your loved ones, barricade the door and neutralize any threat that attempts to gain forceable entry.

You need to keep in mind that if things go wrong and you are injured or killed clearing your home, you have now left your loved ones to fend for themselves against an assailant or multiple assailants who have already proven they intend to do you harm and are now armed with your weapon at a minimum.
 
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This is a good discussion and provides some good information and thoughts.

I have a plan, but all the better to streamline it and add some fine details I had not focused on. Thanks
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: reclaimer1986</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know this is an old thread. Here is my idea, <span style="font-weight: bold">I have no training</span> so listen to the expert's advice.

Instead of sleeping in the master bedroom, move to the front bedroom. From low in the doorway, you can watch the dining room and kitchen, plus cover the hallway. Less chance of hitting the neighbor's house too. You call 911 and keep that position with the kids in the bedrooms behind you. If you must go to the kids room, have your wife cover you from the doorway. If the intruders are in a position to see to the end of the hallway, she will see them too. You could then cover your wife's retreat and hole up in the back bedroom watching the door. No point in trying to clear the blind spots in the kitchen/dining room/living room/courtyard by yourself, wait for the professionals to do that.

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I have to keep trying to think from the side of an untrained person conducted a B&E- but from a trained person's view, posting up in a doorway is ALMOST as bad as posting up in a hallway.

If entering through the back door, pie-ing off the corner of the bedroom to the immediate right would leave anything in the hallway in a world of hurt- that includes anyone posted up in a doorway. This is of course assuming equal visibility.

Same goes for either court yard door- pie the laundry and storage; although there is a slightly less advantageous aspect to this- being centered in the field of view from the doorway is likely to decrease response time to acquire the target and engage from the doorway.

IMO, the best answer is to stay where you are if possible and strong-point the room If done from the master bedroom at an acute angle, there will be protective fire out the doorway and down the hall past the first bedroom's door. This also stands a decent chance of having an angle of fire which will not intersect with the common wall of the neighbor's house.

If there are outlets in the hall, as there should be- install a few night lights and paint the hallway a very light color. Paint the bedrooms darker more muted colors and do not use night lights in the bedrooms. This will give you a darker area to shoot from while your target will be in a lighter area; making you harder to see and him easier to see. If no one is in the first bedroom, your span of safe fire increases and you can even decrease your angle of strong-pointing.

Again, the best thing you can do is barricade yourself and await help. Second best is strong point a room and await help. The worst option is any sort of clearing operations
 
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Examples:
occupied bedroom #1:
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As you can see, this will send most shots clear of the bedroom but will certainly intersect with the neighbor's common wall.

Unoccupied bedroom #1:
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Here we are almost totally clear of the neighbor's wall but will be sending rounds into the bedroom- would be pretty important the room is empty of persons unless you can be certain the individual in that room is in the absolute south west corner, and then your firing limit becomes the edge of the doorway.

This is also how one best defends a room; keeps as much distance and space between you and the attacker, gives them a smaller opening in which to engage you through and also gives you the best shots down the hallway you can expect to get without exposing yourself like crazy. Unless of course you have hardened the room... But for hasty defense, this is it.

Oh- also... I would personally pick a long gun with low recoil so you can send multiple shots on target(s) quickly. AR with frangible ammo or 45gr HP's- both should break up pretty well going through walls. Flash suppression will be important to maintain the most night vision for follow-up shots.
 
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i doubt this is really an option but what about altering the design of the home?

install a door between the storage room / 1st BR

install a passage way between the two bedrooms that are connected then have your bedroom be the one nearer the living room and kids nearer bathroom and you can move back and forth w/o going into the hallway?

Its pretty extreme i know - and might not be allowed on base housing but just an idea to share - even though he might not even live there still....lol

design a home with defending it in mind - it would be ideal if it was not an after thought
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and of coarse if you want to get really creative you could all ways install a moat and drawbridge....... =D