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Re: 700 sps tactical
I hate to say it, but the factory stock is really awful. Swapping in a quality replacement makes all the difference.
I hate to say it, but the factory stock is really awful. Swapping in a quality replacement makes all the difference.
Re: 700 sps tactical
I all depends on how you shoot and how far you shoot.
If you use a bipod the barrel will touch. At close distances of one or two hundred yards it will group ok but you may see a little string effect on target, that will grow the further out you go. If I were only shooting under 250 and using it primarily for hunting, it would be fine for that. If you are wanting squeeze every ounce of consistency out of it, you will want a different stock.
I all depends on how you shoot and how far you shoot.
If you use a bipod the barrel will touch. At close distances of one or two hundred yards it will group ok but you may see a little string effect on target, that will grow the further out you go. If I were only shooting under 250 and using it primarily for hunting, it would be fine for that. If you are wanting squeeze every ounce of consistency out of it, you will want a different stock.
Re: 700 sps tactical
The biggest issue is that the forestock is flimsy. You can push and pull it away from the barrel with little to no effort. If shooting from a bipod, you may have inconsistent loading and stringing. It will do "ok" off bags, a pack, or offhand.
^^Well, looks like Niles beat me to it.
On another note, I have found that the SPS varmint stock to be much more study on the tac. Yes they also leave a lot to be desired, but folks pretty much give them away. Easy way to drop the weight of the rifle by a 1-1.5 lbs. if you want to carry the rifle on a hunting trip.
Other than that the B&C and Bobby Hart Lammy are about the least expensive upgrades.
The biggest issue is that the forestock is flimsy. You can push and pull it away from the barrel with little to no effort. If shooting from a bipod, you may have inconsistent loading and stringing. It will do "ok" off bags, a pack, or offhand.
^^Well, looks like Niles beat me to it.
On another note, I have found that the SPS varmint stock to be much more study on the tac. Yes they also leave a lot to be desired, but folks pretty much give them away. Easy way to drop the weight of the rifle by a 1-1.5 lbs. if you want to carry the rifle on a hunting trip.
Other than that the B&C and Bobby Hart Lammy are about the least expensive upgrades.
Re: 700 sps tactical
I assume you ordered a SPS tactical because it has a good reputation for accuracy while being affordable. One of the main reasons it's so affordable is because of that cheap Hogue stock Remington throws on. Bottomline, that stock is not conducive to precision shooting. Like Niles pointed out above, if you are looking for consistent accuracy at distance the stock will be the weak link in your system.
A lot of guys have experimented with trying to stiffen the stock with various results. I like to tinker with guns but I wouldn't even bother trying to stiffen the factory stock. If it were my gun, I would shoot it with the Hogue until I could save up enough money for a B&C Medalist.
I assume you ordered a SPS tactical because it has a good reputation for accuracy while being affordable. One of the main reasons it's so affordable is because of that cheap Hogue stock Remington throws on. Bottomline, that stock is not conducive to precision shooting. Like Niles pointed out above, if you are looking for consistent accuracy at distance the stock will be the weak link in your system.
A lot of guys have experimented with trying to stiffen the stock with various results. I like to tinker with guns but I wouldn't even bother trying to stiffen the factory stock. If it were my gun, I would shoot it with the Hogue until I could save up enough money for a B&C Medalist.
Re: 700 sps tactical
Yeah I just bought one. Fantastic rifle for the money but like everyone said the stock is a total pile of junk. Frustrating to buy a brand new rifle and not be able to hit 8x8 steel at 400 yards. I have heard you can sand down the stock to make more room for the barrel and it helps accuracy a bit but if you are planning on getting one plan on spending at least and extra $150-$250 on top of that. I got a good deal on a HS Precision so I went that route. Most put the B&C on it which starts around $230. That being said I couldn't be happier with the purchase the rifle is fantastic and from my past experiences Remington has fantastic customer service.
Yeah I just bought one. Fantastic rifle for the money but like everyone said the stock is a total pile of junk. Frustrating to buy a brand new rifle and not be able to hit 8x8 steel at 400 yards. I have heard you can sand down the stock to make more room for the barrel and it helps accuracy a bit but if you are planning on getting one plan on spending at least and extra $150-$250 on top of that. I got a good deal on a HS Precision so I went that route. Most put the B&C on it which starts around $230. That being said I couldn't be happier with the purchase the rifle is fantastic and from my past experiences Remington has fantastic customer service.
Re: 700 sps tactical
See link in my sig below.
Think of an out-of-the-box SPS Tac as a <span style="font-style: italic">barreled action and bolt with a basic trigger</span>. With the addition of a B&C Medalist stock and a Timney trigger, you have one hell of a rifle for under $1000.
See link in my sig below.
Think of an out-of-the-box SPS Tac as a <span style="font-style: italic">barreled action and bolt with a basic trigger</span>. With the addition of a B&C Medalist stock and a Timney trigger, you have one hell of a rifle for under $1000.
Re: 700 sps tactical
I picked up a take off HS Precision stock for right around 200 bucks at a gun show for my SPS Tac 308. Just kind of fell into my lap, I would just watch the classifieds, check with local dealers, etc, may find one really cheap.
I picked up a take off HS Precision stock for right around 200 bucks at a gun show for my SPS Tac 308. Just kind of fell into my lap, I would just watch the classifieds, check with local dealers, etc, may find one really cheap.
Re: 700 sps tactical
I would not consider the sps varmint stock an upgrade, rather a lesser of two evils. I used one because I was low on my gun budget and had one left over. I mounted it, painted it and shot it. The results were quite impressive for a pretty much disposable stock. The weird thing is it shot better on the 20" bbl than the 26".
Since I do not know what you intend on doing with your rifle (long distance target, hunting, some of both, comp), I would suggest you get your rifle and shoot it with the Hogue. See if it works out for you.
Then if you decide it is a no-go, save up a bit for an HS precision, or B&C(or even a Manners, McMillan).
As for $160 you are not that far off. The B&C's go for $220, then you can sell your Hogue and re-coop about 25% of the cost. Just have to stash some money away (or hit the blood bank, lol).
I would not consider the sps varmint stock an upgrade, rather a lesser of two evils. I used one because I was low on my gun budget and had one left over. I mounted it, painted it and shot it. The results were quite impressive for a pretty much disposable stock. The weird thing is it shot better on the 20" bbl than the 26".
Since I do not know what you intend on doing with your rifle (long distance target, hunting, some of both, comp), I would suggest you get your rifle and shoot it with the Hogue. See if it works out for you.
Then if you decide it is a no-go, save up a bit for an HS precision, or B&C(or even a Manners, McMillan).
As for $160 you are not that far off. The B&C's go for $220, then you can sell your Hogue and re-coop about 25% of the cost. Just have to stash some money away (or hit the blood bank, lol).
Re: 700 sps tactical
The barrel absolutely will touch on the SPS varmint stock. It is designed too. Having two barrel pads at the end of the forearm at 5 and 7 o-clock to keep the stock from warping and looking cheap to the potential buyer.
I attempted to float one and can tell you that you will not be happy with the result; IMO the Hogue stock is a step above the sps varmint stock. If I were you and wanting the cheapest option I'd go over to EBay and get a wood stock or if you can find one, a laminated. Float and bed it yourself.
The barrel absolutely will touch on the SPS varmint stock. It is designed too. Having two barrel pads at the end of the forearm at 5 and 7 o-clock to keep the stock from warping and looking cheap to the potential buyer.
I attempted to float one and can tell you that you will not be happy with the result; IMO the Hogue stock is a step above the sps varmint stock. If I were you and wanting the cheapest option I'd go over to EBay and get a wood stock or if you can find one, a laminated. Float and bed it yourself.
Re: 700 sps tactical
Niles is correct the Varmint has the pads on the end as many long barrel varmint stocks do. It is a form of pressure bedding that Remington employs for some of their rifle stocks. The rest of the barrel is floated. I kept the pressure pads on mine and I have no issues with the 20" bbl. With the 26" 223 and 308, I would have wicked barrel rise and stringing after only 10 shots. I did not experience this with the short bbl. Maybe its just luck, or that the barrel and brake only extend 9.5" past the pressure pad, but mine worked out.
The prob I found with the hogue was that the bbl was free floated and as you loaded the bipod the flex would cause an inconsistent bipod load and stringing.
I am not saying that the factory Remmy is in no way superior to a good aluminum bed rifle stock, just that in my situation it worked out.
Here are a couple of pics I took to demonstrate. I loaded the bipod and stock into the carpet and took the pic with the other hand. You can see that the hogue stock moves away from the bbl quite a bit, and with the Varmint stock the bbl is still in contact with the pressure pads. Normally we want to avoid this contact, as the barrel presses against this point and rises, but I figure since the middle of the bbl is floated the pressure pads are doing what they are supposed to do.
Hogue not loading
By roggom at 2012-03-18
Hogue loaded
By roggom at 2012-03-18
Varmint Loaded
By roggom at 2012-03-18
Here is an article I found before I bedded one of my old wood stocks. http://hunting.about.com/cs/guns/a/float_bed.htm
Niles is correct the Varmint has the pads on the end as many long barrel varmint stocks do. It is a form of pressure bedding that Remington employs for some of their rifle stocks. The rest of the barrel is floated. I kept the pressure pads on mine and I have no issues with the 20" bbl. With the 26" 223 and 308, I would have wicked barrel rise and stringing after only 10 shots. I did not experience this with the short bbl. Maybe its just luck, or that the barrel and brake only extend 9.5" past the pressure pad, but mine worked out.
The prob I found with the hogue was that the bbl was free floated and as you loaded the bipod the flex would cause an inconsistent bipod load and stringing.
I am not saying that the factory Remmy is in no way superior to a good aluminum bed rifle stock, just that in my situation it worked out.
Here are a couple of pics I took to demonstrate. I loaded the bipod and stock into the carpet and took the pic with the other hand. You can see that the hogue stock moves away from the bbl quite a bit, and with the Varmint stock the bbl is still in contact with the pressure pads. Normally we want to avoid this contact, as the barrel presses against this point and rises, but I figure since the middle of the bbl is floated the pressure pads are doing what they are supposed to do.
Hogue not loading
By roggom at 2012-03-18
Hogue loaded
By roggom at 2012-03-18
Varmint Loaded
By roggom at 2012-03-18
Here is an article I found before I bedded one of my old wood stocks. http://hunting.about.com/cs/guns/a/float_bed.htm
Re: 700 sps tactical
is there an accuracy change when u went to the varmint stock, i still need to get a weaver rail and some other things for it as well that is why im looking at the varmint stock as a replacement for now and later get a good stock
is there an accuracy change when u went to the varmint stock, i still need to get a weaver rail and some other things for it as well that is why im looking at the varmint stock as a replacement for now and later get a good stock
Re: 700 sps tactical
If you really want to play with the Varmint stock you can have mine. I had a B&C before I ever took the rifle out of the box, so the varmint stock has been sitting in my closet since. Just pay the shipping and you can have it. PM me.
If you really want to play with the Varmint stock you can have mine. I had a B&C before I ever took the rifle out of the box, so the varmint stock has been sitting in my closet since. Just pay the shipping and you can have it. PM me.
Re: 700 sps tactical
^^ There you go, that is some top notch right stuff there. Pay it forward has always worked for me in the past.
Sniper81, I will say that with the Hogue, I had stringing, I do not have stringing with my B&C M40, Bobby Hart LRT, Remington Walnut Varmint (M40 style), or the SPS Varmint(with the 20" sps-t barreled action).
For me, I configured my sps-t for hunting up to 500Y. Since the SPS stock works for me and only weighs 28oz, I see no reason to upgrade at this time other than aesthetics. Sure the HS and other stocks are much better, but beyond 500y I would be looking at a Sendero with HS in 7 mag.
Now accuracy is something a little different, I reload so I can roll up some sub moa ammo. The issue you want to mitigate here is shift in poi. .5moa shift at 100 can equal 2.5 or so inches at 500 yards.
Take a look at John's budget build series, he goes into some detail on componenets and stock construction, rails, scopes etc. His is the AAC-SD 1:10 twist. He also runs a question and answer video blog, if you have general precision shooting questions go to his latest video, he will answer them on youtube. He is a member here on the Hide LoneWolfUSMC.
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^^ There you go, that is some top notch right stuff there. Pay it forward has always worked for me in the past.
Sniper81, I will say that with the Hogue, I had stringing, I do not have stringing with my B&C M40, Bobby Hart LRT, Remington Walnut Varmint (M40 style), or the SPS Varmint(with the 20" sps-t barreled action).
For me, I configured my sps-t for hunting up to 500Y. Since the SPS stock works for me and only weighs 28oz, I see no reason to upgrade at this time other than aesthetics. Sure the HS and other stocks are much better, but beyond 500y I would be looking at a Sendero with HS in 7 mag.
Now accuracy is something a little different, I reload so I can roll up some sub moa ammo. The issue you want to mitigate here is shift in poi. .5moa shift at 100 can equal 2.5 or so inches at 500 yards.
Take a look at John's budget build series, he goes into some detail on componenets and stock construction, rails, scopes etc. His is the AAC-SD 1:10 twist. He also runs a question and answer video blog, if you have general precision shooting questions go to his latest video, he will answer them on youtube. He is a member here on the Hide LoneWolfUSMC.
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Re: 700 sps tactical
Im getting a new stock, just bought my sps Wednesday. The stock is like a big rubber piece of garbage. It will sit in the box until I get a new stock for it. Doesn't even have a scope mounted yet lol.
Check out midwayusa.com they've got a tonnn of stocks.
Im getting a new stock, just bought my sps Wednesday. The stock is like a big rubber piece of garbage. It will sit in the box until I get a new stock for it. Doesn't even have a scope mounted yet lol.
Check out midwayusa.com they've got a tonnn of stocks.
Re: 700 sps tactical
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im getting a new stock, just bought my sps Wednesday. The stock is like a big rubber piece of garbage. It will sit in the box until I get a new stock for it. Doesn't even have a scope mounted yet lol.
Check out midwayusa.com they've got a tonnn of stocks. </div></div>
Exactly what I thought and did. Thought the stock was flimsy and replaced it with a B&C before I even scoped or shot it. These rifles are lasers. I'm very impressed with the accuracy of the sps tac. Was shooting tight groups my first time out with it with FGMM 168gr.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sictransitjosh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im getting a new stock, just bought my sps Wednesday. The stock is like a big rubber piece of garbage. It will sit in the box until I get a new stock for it. Doesn't even have a scope mounted yet lol.
Check out midwayusa.com they've got a tonnn of stocks. </div></div>
Exactly what I thought and did. Thought the stock was flimsy and replaced it with a B&C before I even scoped or shot it. These rifles are lasers. I'm very impressed with the accuracy of the sps tac. Was shooting tight groups my first time out with it with FGMM 168gr.
Re: 700 sps tactical
Yeah I wont even take it to the range or even mount anything until I get a new stock. I did oil the bolt though so its more smooth.
Yeah I wont even take it to the range or even mount anything until I get a new stock. I did oil the bolt though so its more smooth.
Re: 700 sps tactical
I run hs precision take off stocks from every one else. They work great for me
I run hs precision take off stocks from every one else. They work great for me
Re: 700 sps tactical
I have a 700 VTR with the factory Hogue stock. After a little work I've been very pleased with my setup. I relieved the barrel channel in areas that made contact with the barrel, installed pillars, and bedded the receiver and recoil lug. All that cost about $25 bucks. Pair that with some hand loaded 223 ammo and a Vortex scope, I've been able to shoot some sub .5 moa groups and sub 1 moa very consistently. Most of my shooting is done with a bipod and rear bag.
I have a 700 VTR with the factory Hogue stock. After a little work I've been very pleased with my setup. I relieved the barrel channel in areas that made contact with the barrel, installed pillars, and bedded the receiver and recoil lug. All that cost about $25 bucks. Pair that with some hand loaded 223 ammo and a Vortex scope, I've been able to shoot some sub .5 moa groups and sub 1 moa very consistently. Most of my shooting is done with a bipod and rear bag.
Re: 700 sps tactical
Go shoot it using a bipod and the factory stock. You'll understand ..... the first time you try to site in your new scope and shoot for groups. I had absolutely no intention of buying a new stock for my SPS Tac. I figured the people complaining about the Houge stocks were all spoiled rich kids that have to have the biggest and best after market stuff. I figured there was nothing wrong with the stock. I really liked the feel of the Houge stock. I feels great and the rubber coating is nice. Damn ..... was I soooo wrong. After the first range trip, I never shot it again with the factory stock. Absolute piece of shit. I've since purchased a B&C Tactical Medalist and never looked back. So much more stable. Turns a mediocure 1-2 MOA rifle into a .5 MOA rifle (for your average shooter).
Go shoot it using a bipod and the factory stock. You'll understand ..... the first time you try to site in your new scope and shoot for groups. I had absolutely no intention of buying a new stock for my SPS Tac. I figured the people complaining about the Houge stocks were all spoiled rich kids that have to have the biggest and best after market stuff. I figured there was nothing wrong with the stock. I really liked the feel of the Houge stock. I feels great and the rubber coating is nice. Damn ..... was I soooo wrong. After the first range trip, I never shot it again with the factory stock. Absolute piece of shit. I've since purchased a B&C Tactical Medalist and never looked back. So much more stable. Turns a mediocure 1-2 MOA rifle into a .5 MOA rifle (for your average shooter).
Re: 700 sps tactical
It is a piece of crap stock, but I free floated mine and shot back to back sub half Moa groups. Shoot it till you can afford better. Or just keep it on and shoot it. My gun has never shot over Moa even before I free floated it. Free floating is easy grab a dremel and go to town.
It is a piece of crap stock, but I free floated mine and shot back to back sub half Moa groups. Shoot it till you can afford better. Or just keep it on and shoot it. My gun has never shot over Moa even before I free floated it. Free floating is easy grab a dremel and go to town.
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