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The funny part is some of the things they are prepping for. Economic collapse, could be very real. Now a polar shift on the other hand come on!!
 
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I wish I could afford one of those wazoo underground shelters the guy on Preppers builds out of steel.

On second thought, I'd just like to have that air cannon he has that can send a 12 foot 2x4 300MPH through an $8,000 FEMA certified bunker door like it wasn't even there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now as to "veggies"; Yeap you need them, probably more in the winter then the summer (I'm not a nutritist so don't take my word on that).

While in the AK NG I spent several years as the XO (St Lawrence Island) and CO (Shishmaref} Eskimo NG Companies.

I spent a lot of time going out with these guys in their hunting and food gathering.

Just about any animal you kill eats veggies, and the contents of their stomack containes these veggies. Boil the contents up with your fish or chunks of rabbits and you take care of your veggie's in the winter problem.

People look and plains or froozen tundra and see nothing, but look closer, its a vertual grocery store.

When people think of doomsday survial they often think of needing big guns, big animals and conventional food.

If I was to have to live in such conditions, I'd take the sub zero temps over a warmer climent any time. </div></div>

This is spot on. Albeit it is a "total survival mode" but spot on!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MJ7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The funny part is some of the things they are prepping for. Economic collapse, could be very real. Now a polar shift on the other hand come on!! </div></div>

I see this long before the planet explodes.

The economic thing has been on the teetering point now for some time. I don't think most realize how fragile it is.
 
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MudCats! I like that show better and see some cross over to Peppers, at least some of the same critters. If I ever as that disparate and really wanted my family to live I'd turn to my Mormon "friends" for help. They are experts in that area and with all the guns and ammo I have I can get all the food and water I need. But, still not sure I would want to survive something like that?
 
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The dueche who was teaching his kids tactical (10/22 .22LR)shooting, experienced a malfunction, put his thumb over the muzzle, and discharged his weapon: nice

That about summed it up for me: fat people talking about surviving Armageddon - where there will be no insulin or Crestor. A treadmill would be much smarter than 100 years worth of rice and beans.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That about summed it up for me: fat people talking about surviving Armageddon - where there will be no insulin or Crestor. A treadmill would be much smarter than 100 years worth of rice and beans. </div></div>

So F'ing true!
 
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I love the episode with the freak hippies in the ICBM silo. They're like "we will survive on love and friendship". What a joke.

They don't even have guns and think their fence will save them... well now I know where to go for food and meet zero resistance.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JelloStorm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They don't even have guns and think their fence will save them... . </div></div>

He had guns and said he was trained/ready to use them but didn't want to show the camera.

If it's the end of the world why not go out on an tye-dyed LSD trip.. Sounds like as good a way to go as any other.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's the end of the world why not go out on an tye-dyed LSD trip.. Sounds like as good a way to go as any other. </div></div>
Sounds rather peaceful
Enjoying the psychedelic decay as the world slowly crumbles around you, blissfully unaware of the atrocities occurring before your very eyes as they have a view through a different window, where for as far as the eye can see is nothing but green fields gently blowing in the breeze, a picturesque life at ease.
 
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Yeah I suffered through as much of an episode of "Preppers" as I could before it just got ridiculous. $50,000 for a reinforced bunker when you are an average middle class person? Are you nuts? How about taking care of your kids' college educations first. The logic that alot of those people have astounds me. Very funny.
 
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i just want to thank them now i know where to go get supplies when it does happen thanks again
 
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Actually, 50k for a home? Hell, wish I knew about those 7 years ago, when I bought mine before the bubble popped. Aside from the hippe decor, it wasn't a bad setup, if you can live without windows.
 
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For those who want to give dry firing and positional shooting drills a break, read "One Second After",by William Forstchen.
This doomsday scenario is very possible and the book includes a foreward by Newt Gingrich.
 
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I think it's cool when people do what they can to depend less on the "system" but I agree, a lot of those preppers on the show are nuts.

In the event that the "system" goes down, I honestly don't expect most communities will crumble in days and droves of murdering gangs will fill the streets looking to pillage every home (well ok, maybe in so-cal). I would think the vast majority of us are better then that. Yes I think there will be greater lawlessness and some will be looking take your stuff but human beings created communities not to be opportunistic and feed off of others with doing as little work as possible but to band together and assist each other in surviving. I would imagine that if the federal government was some how debilitated we would still have some semblance local government and at the very least, a closer community.

I would imagine it would become similar to the old west days and who prospered in communities in those days? Typically it was the blacksmiths, doctors, and anyone else who had a solid skill or trade that was invaluable to the community. I think prepping to some degree is a good idea but I would focus more on having skills like small plot farming, metal working, EMT training, wilderness survival etc... rather than spending 50K on a bomb shelter. And all those skills are good to have even if shit doesn't hit the fan.
 
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Actually, of all the shows I've seen on the subject, "Falling Skies" doesn't do such a terrible job of suggesting ways to cope. Regardless of the cause, recovery (to a less than emergency footing) would need to be based on both a community approach, and a long haul mentality.

Lone wolves and hermit enclaves just don't have the depth to sustain a successful survival strategy. Casualties and attrition will be a very real fact of life, especially when completely modern medical resources fail. Try to research medical conditions and capabilities from back around 1910, and you'll get a better grasp.

When the Sh*t Hits The Fan, gunpowder gets to burning soon after. Better have some of that. Anybody who makes it a point of getting in the way of that is not, never was, and never will be, your friend.

There is no way to prevent hardship and food shortage. There will always be more mouths to feed than food to fill them. Generosity and comradeship will need to have very finite limits. Family comes first, period. Smarter families will merge.

Energy resources will become luxury items as soon as the first inklings of an emergency emerge. Conservation will need to begin immediately. No energy expenditure can be squandered without sufficient cause and clear thought. That stuff we thought we had a lot of will be sorely missed, and doubly so if we don't clamp down hard right from the start.

Forget about going somewhere. If you're not there now, now's the time to move. People who come through are strangers. By about that time strangers will be unwelcome, as in shot on sight. Don't be that stranger.

The best conservation starts before an emergency commences, and involves attitudes as much a supplies. Consider what and how much you'd like to have of something as crucial as energy if a refill was no longer possible as of 5 minutes ago. Then, don't just consider it.

A pound of salt will be worth more than a pound of sugar, or a pound of butter. Water, even from a tap, might be capable of killing you. Don't place yourself at the complete mercy of whatever comes out of that tap.

Priorities will change, more than most folks can imagine in these moments of wealth, abundance, and comfort. Even the simplest definitions of wealth, abundance, and comfort will be the first things that change. They call this a recession now, but it's far better than it could be.

Most of us have never exercised our imaginations in such directions or to such depths. Best get started. Don't think what someone should do. Think what <span style="font-style: italic">you</span> will <span style="font-style: italic">need</span> to do. Best get started doing that as soon as is reasonably practical. Waiting for what if to become what is won't do.

Folks like me would do well to weigh our own worth to others against the cost of ur upkeep. Others will do it for us if we don't do it, and do it well, by ourselves. If we're going to e realistic, it starts there.

If we're going to be fair about it, we might carefully consider whether or not 'fair' is a luxury that can only survive in these times of wealth, abundance, and confort; these days that will very quickly become the 'good old' ones.

Greg
 
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The Preppers show seems made to belittle people who are preparing for the worst by showing the extremes. Have been evacuated for fires 3 times in the last 10 years, have to worry about mudslides, fires & earthquakes as well. No to mention the millions of other people surrounding me, daily.

To me the best thing is to mentally prepare as well as stock food & develop the skills to survive. I like to read shtfschool.com where the OP lived through a war zone for a year plus. His takes speak the most to me, because he deals with the mentality that it takes to survive & the depths an average person will go to to survive.
 
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I consider most of the reality programming, and this one right in there with the others, as just the lastest and most cynical version of ambush journalism to date. They lead folks on, then make a big deal about when the pants fall down, etc. I used to sit next to a guy at a bar who had a UHF TV talk show (remember them?), and he was always trying to get me to come on. NFW, Buddy.

Greg
 
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Those who would rule us are not in favor of a self reliant population. Such a population simply doesn’t fit their plan. They would much rather have us; stupid, frightened and dependent.

So those same folks have <span style="font-weight: bold">Identified</span> the prepper trend as one that doesn’t fit their agenda.

They actively work with a cooperative and compliant media to <span style="font-weight: bold">Marginalize</span> the whole idea of survival or self reliance. (See the goofy things shown on the show.)

Again working with the “useful idiots” in the media the power elite have gone on to <span style="font-weight: bold">Demonize</span> anyone that dares to support the idea of surviving the inevitable. (See the goofy people on the show.)

Thus far, they have been successful in their efforts to <span style="font-weight: bold">Isolate</span> the preparedness movement.

Soon moves will be made to <span style="font-weight: bold">Eliminate</span> this intolerable, antisocial, right wing fanatical behavior.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kmussack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those who would rule us are not in favor of a self reliant population. Such a population simply doesn’t fit their plan. They would much rather have us; stupid, frightened and dependent.

So those same folks have <span style="font-weight: bold">Identified</span> the prepper trend as one that doesn’t fit their agenda.

They actively work with a cooperative and compliant media to <span style="font-weight: bold">Marginalize</span> the whole idea of survival or self reliance. (See the goofy things shown on the show.)

Again working with the “useful idiots” in the media the power elite have gone on to <span style="font-weight: bold">Demonize</span> anyone that dares to support the idea of surviving the inevitable. (See the goofy people on the show.)

Thus far, they have been successful in their efforts to <span style="font-weight: bold">Isolate</span> the preparedness movement.

Soon moves will be made to <span style="font-weight: bold">Eliminate</span> this intolerable, antisocial, right wing fanatical behavior.
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Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, ala Karl Marx. Thanks for the summary.

"Prepping" is a lot like "taking care of" the wolf problem out west. The solution follows along the lines of "Prep, shovel, shut up." The folks who have made themselves obvious, brought in all their family and friends have just made themselves easier to hit targets when TEOTWAWKI hits. Except for that guy who was making wine and pipe bombs and had his kill zones figured out. HE will be a little tougher to take out. A UN gunship should work.
 
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Well said Kevin and Greg. I am no prepper but I am a survivalist at heart.(As I think most of us are on here). I believe in taking care of me and my family. When the SHTF there will be prey and prediators.

I also want to believe that we will pull togeather to help each other but as was said, there will be more mouths to feed than there will be food. People will have to and "WILL" make hard choices to survive.

Your best bet is to form a strong group of people who have skills that will help the group to survive. Real survivalist stay out of the spot light and below the radar on everything. Just my thoughts on it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dude most guys here have been prepping for most of thier lives they just dont know it until the skills are needed.</div></div>

That is what I was thinking. And I bet most guys on here frame the picture a little smarter too.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tsmoyer13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I suffered through as much of an episode of "Preppers" as I could before it just got ridiculous. $50,000 for a reinforced bunker when you are an average middle class person? Are you nuts? How about taking care of your kids' college educations first. The logic that alot of those people have astounds me. Very funny. </div></div>

I like the show. It's entertaining, in a can't take your eyes away from a train wreck sort of way. Sure we should all be more prepared for dire circumstances, but you hit the nail on the head. Most of these people seem like they're prepping for something that has a .00001% of happening while ignoring near certainties like college education and retirement planning.

Admittedly, I'm by no means prepared for a multi week event, but after watching the show, we have enough food and water on hand to make it through 10-14 days of isolation.
 
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V that.

we grow our own veggies and put then in those old mason jars i guess you would call it with the lock seal, toss em in the fridge or on a shelf, boil some veggies toss em in a freezer bag and throw them in storage, matter of fact we ate some corn we had in the freezer last month from 2001.

smart thinking goes a long way.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brutus1776</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on what Tactical said.

for most 'prepping' is just how they have always lived.

i think most rural folks tend to have been born with the 'prepper' mindset and only since 'prepping' has spread to suburban and urban folks has the practice of being self dependent came into a distinct category known as 'prepping.' </div></div>

Yep, I was a prepper WAY before prepping was cool......country born, country raised, country still.

As a kid, mom would put up hundreds of quarts of beans, tomatoes, corn, squash, beets, carrots, pickles, potatoes, pork, beef, and venison....that pressure canner would run day and night for months. I still have it, and use it....with many of the same quart jars that fed us 40 years ago.

It's just how we got by back then, and we were more the better for it. Winter meant needing a full woodshed by October 1st at the latest, which was to the tune of about 30 heaping pickup loads give or take, which we went to the woods up on the mountain and cut/hauled/split it ourselves....we never bought a stick of firewood from anyone, and we didn't burn much fuel oil either. Still go by that method now. Free heat aside from a little saw gas and sweat.

If something was broke, we fixed it....there wasn't any taking something somewhere for repair, or God forbid buy a new one. This one is just fine, still, we just gotta fix it. If we did have to buy something the closest thing we had to Walmart was the Mongomery Wards catalog that came in the mail, four times a year....if we wanted something we wrote a check, sent an order form in the mail....and a couple weeks later the stuff would come....in the mail.

Anything we were forced to buy in town because we couldn't make it or Wards didn't carry it, mom and dad would buy in bulk, just to get the better price. This whole prepping thing has been done for generations and it was just called Everyday Life. My kids won't grow up being immune to knowing how to kill it and grow it, and get by with little or nothing. I think the whole Hollywood interest in this stuff via "reality TV" has taking things over the cliff with the nut jobs they find, but it's definately a reflection on these interesting times we are living in. </div></div>