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LWRC REPR Issues

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I have an 18" LWRC REPR, I have had it for a while, it came with the 16"bbl to start, when I first shot it with an optic I could not get groups under 2", it went back to the factory, and I asked them to look it over, they confirmed the issue and were going to change the bbl, I asked for an 18", they did it for me, as I have been shooting the accuracy has been degrading in time, I have less than 600 rnds on it, so back to the factory it went, they shot it on 2 different occasions,with match ammo, the groups from the factory were as follows, largest 1.350, smallest 1.170 @100 yrds this was factory acceptable.... well I am sorry, no its not ,REPR stands for Rapid Engagement Precision Rifle, they were using a 5x20 Trijicon Accupoint in a larue mount, also it had a Giesslle Adjustable DMR trigger, I just expected more from this rifle, and was disappointed....I also paid $75 for them to tell me this, I could not get the rifle to shoot under 2 MOA, after I got it back the groups shrunk a bit, but not near what they should be..it should be called REBR, Rapid engagement BATTLE Rifle.. But I guess REPR sounds cooler, I will add LWRC customer service is SECOND TO NONE! they do take the time, and answer the phones and try to fix your issues.....
 
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Start shooting better ammo. Factory/military ammo will not give you the accuracy you seek. 178 amax over 44 grains Varget in Win brass will shrink your groups CONSIDERABLY.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">D-

Start shooting better ammo. Factory/military ammo will not give you the accuracy you seek. 178 amax over 44 grains Varget in Win brass will shrink your groups CONSIDERABLY.

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This right here ^^^. If you don't reload your own ammo, pick up a box of different ammo types such as FGMM 175SMK, Hornady A-Max 168gr, Hornady TAP 168gr, and something else you might like to try. The REPR will show it's potential with good MATCH ammo.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">D-

Start shooting better ammo. Factory/military ammo will not give you the accuracy you seek. 178 amax over 44 grains Varget in Win brass will shrink your groups CONSIDERABLY.

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Thanks bro.....
 
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When I had my REPR it shot 175 smk over 43.7 varget, lupua brass and cci 200 primers @ 2.810 COL extremely well (.7's - 1").

Reloading is the way to go if your serious about ringing out your rifles potential.
 
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My 5.56 LWRCI rifles have really liked a few loads and hated others. Ive definitely had to try a few and find the load they liked. Sub-moa with FGMM77 gr fodder and PMC55gr FMJ, strangely. My REPR should be here soon, and I anticipate having to do the same with it.
 
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Looked long and hard at Stoner patterned 7.62 rifles, REPR are slightly stand out in their look and function, however their quality was hit or miss as I have been reading, and when spending over $3K for a rifle you expect a Larue OBR type accuracy. Eventually went with a LMT MWS upgraded with an 18" SS 5R barrel. Not disappointed, customer service from LMT is great as well. Still holding out for a OBR. Used the little funds I saved investing in a NF 3.5-15x50 with H58.
 
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My 20 inch REPR did not like any factory ammo except for Black Hills 168's in factory offerings. Handloads shrunk the groups by almost 50%.
 
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We got a REPR with the same issues and can barely hold MOA. Went back several time but no improvement.FOr the money get a OBR.
 
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Build one yourself man! Accuracy is all in the barrel.

If you want true accuracy, you do not want a battle gun. You want something with a tighter chamber (which means it probably will not cycle when really dirty).
 
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Ive got a 20in Repr with USo SN-3 on it. Since it is so expensive I figure it deserves only the best in ammo. So, I strictly shoot Southwest Ammo's 175gr SMK with Lapua brass. It shoots sub moa out to 800 and then is a moa gun from there to about 1050 or so. Ammo quality makes a huge difference with this gun.

I would try Southwest Ammo's 175gr SMK or go look up Bryan Litz and find a similar round. Either one are about as close to a custom hand load as you can get. You get what you pay for and neither the weapon or the ammo you shoot through it will be cheap to maximize performance.

Or, you may have gotten a bad barrel? But it seems like LWRC already checked that out so its either your ammo or shooting fundamentals. If your convinced its not the ammo try having someone hold your cell phone up close to your trigger sqeeze as well as cheek weld and see if there is any mechanical issues on your part. Just a thought.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SteelShot11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive got a 20in Repr with USo SN-3 on it. Since it is so expensive I figure it deserves only the best in ammo. So, I strictly shoot Southwest Ammo's 175gr SMK with Lapua brass. It shoots sub moa out to 800 and then is a moa gun from there to about 1050 or so. Ammo quality makes a huge difference with this gun.

I would try Southwest Ammo's 175gr SMK or go look up Bryan Litz and find a similar round. Either one are about as close to a custom hand load as you can get. You get what you pay for and neither the weapon or the ammo you shoot through it will be cheap to maximize performance.

Or, you may have gotten a bad barrel? But it seems like LWRC already checked that out so its either your ammo or shooting fundamentals. If your convinced its not the ammo try having someone hold your cell phone up close to your trigger sqeeze as well as cheek weld and see if there is any mechanical issues on your part. Just a thought. </div></div>

I had 3 different match shooters, I went out with friends the other day, was using known handloads for the rifle, it did what I asked it to do..I was hitting 10" steel at will @ 500, as for a tight group @ 100 we will see...I am chasing the dragon...
 
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There is really no need for a piston on a semi auto AR, but that's another story for another day.

The thing is this, REPR's are good guns, but were built for people who fall for marketing gimmicks.

If you are too lazy to put an AR together yourself, too lazy to install a white oak or noveske barrel, too lazy to reload fireform brass, then you need to live with the consequences of what the Manufacturers' of LWRC or any other boutique AR tells you.
 
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I can speak for at least Chainring and myself when I say not all of us who own REPRs fell for gimmick, your personal opinion on piston ARs notwithstanding.
 
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Anybody know of a REPR being successfully used in a comp?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is really no need for a piston on a semi auto AR, but that's another story for another day.

The thing is this, REPR's are good guns, but were built for people who fall for marketing gimmicks.

If you are too lazy to put an AR together yourself, too lazy to install a white oak or noveske barrel, too lazy to reload fireform brass, then you need to live with the consequences of what the Manufacturers' of LWRC or any other boutique AR tells you. </div></div>

AS for putting together AR's, I have done many.. was never too lazy...the rifle is what it is, I like the platform, I like the feel..could I have bought a GAP, or made my own..sure, the pistons, for me, I like them, the guys getting 1/4 MOA with them, I highly doubt it, is it a robust weapon, yes...would I buy another one, no...I anm working with what I have...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody know of a REPR being successfully used in a comp? </div></div>

Good question....
 
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Y'all don't feed the Cartmann troll. It's like grasping oil with the hand.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Y'all don't feed the Cartmann troll. It's like grasping oil with the hand.

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UHG!!!
 
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I placed up there in a few matches with a REPR. Mine shoots great with heavy ammo. Never had any issues with it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody know of a REPR being successfully used in a comp? </div></div>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Y'all don't feed the Cartmann troll. It's like grasping oil with the hand.

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Trolling, what trolling? The OP wanted a sub MOA gun. I am just telling him that when you buy a complete boutique gun and don't reload, you have to live with whatever the Beauty Shop tells you.

Or are you telling me LWRC can screw in a barrel better than me? and install a bolt better than me with their magic hands?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is really no need for a piston on a semi auto AR, but that's another story for another day.</div></div>

I am sure he was referring to this.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is really no need for a piston on a semi auto AR, but that's another story for another day.</div></div>

I am sure he was referring to this. </div></div>

Well there isn't
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And this is another issue with the REPR or any other LWRC. You have to get the barrels from them, You have no choices, that means you can't get a Schillen, White Oak, or Noveske.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: spiralseal</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an 18" LWRC REPR, I have had it for a while, it came with the 16"bbl to start, when I first shot it with an optic I could not get groups under 2", it went back to the factory, and I asked them to look it over, they confirmed the issue and were going to change the bbl, I asked for an 18", they did it for me, as I have been shooting the accuracy has been degrading in time, I have less than 600 rnds on it, so back to the factory it went, they shot it on 2 different occasions,with match ammo, the groups from the factory were as follows, largest 1.350, smallest 1.170 @100 yrds this was factory acceptable.... well I am sorry, no its not ,REPR stands for Rapid Engagement Precision Rifle, they were using a 5x20 Trijicon Accupoint in a larue mount, also it had a Giesslle Adjustable DMR trigger, I just expected more from this rifle, and was disappointed....I also paid $75 for them to tell me this, I could not get the rifle to shoot under 2 MOA, after I got it back the groups shrunk a bit, but not near what they should be..it should be called REBR, Rapid engagement BATTLE Rifle.. But I guess REPR sounds cooler, I will add LWRC customer service is SECOND TO NONE! they do take the time, and answer the phones and try to fix your issues..... </div></div>


That Rifle should shoot a whole lot better than that. My friend shoots a LWRC REPR 20inch model and it is a tack driver. Just as accurate as any bolt gun. Shooting Federal GMM 168 shoots under 1/2 MOA. I would say that is pretty crappy on the part of LWRC for allowing a rifle to leave the factory that did not shoot under 1/2 moa. I have talked to the sales rep over the phone and they assured me that these where 1/2 moa rifles.

Also the piston system on this rifle is really nice, no issues. What I really like is the side charger, and ability to turn the piston system off and run it like a straight pull back bolt gun.

What I would do personally is sell it on Gunbroker, and go with a LMT MWS, a GAP, or anything else.
 
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Troll was harsh. Your posts are knowledgeable...until someone hassles you. Then you seem to enjoy the mudpit a bit too much. ;-)

Ive often said that I wish I could order Noveske barrels in my LWRC rifles. The LWRC barrels are tough, and moa for me - but the Noveske stuff is sub-moa.

I don't regard the LWRC to be boutique. Now a scar, that has little parts support at this point and proprietary everything- that's boutique. The LWRC system shares most parts with other stoners.

I love 1/2 inch groups, but I never see em unless I'm proned out shooting for....well...groups. I'm a big fan of realistic equipment, which is why I quit buying3.5-15 optics and started buying 1-4 and 1-6 optics. I hope my new REPR prints.5 moa, but I'll be satisfied with 1.25 moa. I bought it because its built like a tank, cleans easily, and it was born to suppress.No more gas face. The LWRC rifles are work horses.
 
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Got to shoot my new 16 inch spiral flute REPR this afternoon. Minus two flyers out of the first 5 shot group, 8 rounds went into .75 inches at 100 yards using a TR24 set at 4x and FGMM 168 gr BTHP SMK. The two five shot groups were separated by several other groups with other ammo types, so the barrel was a different temp for both groups.

At 200 yards, group opened up to 1.75 inches with the same optic and ammo.

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It did not like 147gr Santa Barbara, 168gr HP Match Black Hills, or 175gr Southwest fodder quite as much. The Santa Barbara will be fine for hogs and 3gun, but FGMM was king of the hill this afternoon. Need to put a higher mag optic on and try it again, just for fun.
 
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Haha.... The day has finally come! That is a fine piece of kit brother.. Can't build that in your garage.

Looks like your REPR is a shooter. Waiting to hear more on your findings.

P.s I like that trigger.
 
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Ha! Yeah, I just sent you a PM a minute ago. Groups of .75 moa is all I ever got out of my Rem 5R, so I'm a happy camper at this point.
 
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Sub moa.... That's a keeper. Give us some detailed feedback when you run your can (when time allows).
 
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I found that you really have to have perfect form with this gun.
Trigger follow through is a must.
Mine shoots under 1MOA all day long.
I have used it in a few matches and it did great.
I shoot mine out to 600yrds weekly and you have to know how to drive it.
I think a lot of people shoot ball ammo out of it and then complain that it won't shoot.
This gun likes 175 SMK's quality ammo.
It will shoot SW Ammo's 175 Match great, but it won't hold 1MOA with their Run N Gun ammo. It's very ammo picky. Order some SW 175 and practice practice practice and I bet you will be really impressed.

I ran mine in the 3 Mils Right match and we had to crawl through sand. Several guns went down when they got full of sand. I switched mine to 'A' adverse setting and put a shit ton of gas through it and it blew the sand out and didn't skip a beat.
It's a battle rifle first so remember that. It will still shoot with even if the gas knob gets stuck. I hear guys making a huge deal about this. So what if it gets stuck, you know have a standard non adjustable rifle that will continue to work fine until you have a chance to clean it.
This gun does have to be cleaned especially the gas adjustment knob. I clean mine every 200 rounds and I never have issues with it. It takes 10 minutes to do it once you get a system down.
 
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I think the Southwest 175 that I have IS the run and gun stuff. Maybe I need to order some of the Match from them....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZRM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I found that you really have to have perfect form with this gun.
Trigger follow through is a must.
Mine shoots under 1MOA all day long.
I have used it in a few matches and it did great.
I shoot mine out to 600yrds weekly and you have to know how to drive it. </div></div>

You shooting at Arcadia?

Man, I miss that range....

It's where we shot the FBI Sniper/Observer school in '89.
 
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Order the match ammo from SW Ammo.....the only visual difference is that one comes with brand new Lapua brass and the other is Winchester. There is an accuracy difference for whatever reason....you get what you pay for I guess but it's top notch.

If that doesnt work....get some of Bryan Litz's ammo.
 
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Oh, and turn off the gas system and you will be basically shooting a bolt gun with no moving parts. Unless you have a poorly cleaned barrel or one that is out of spec you should be sub moa out to several hundred yards if you do your part.

Good luck.
 
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I went 3/4 MOA @ 100 with 178 AMAX in Black Hills match brass, I had one flyer, but all in all the groups improved, was killing soda cans @ 250.....
 
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Not the same platforms but I have a 14.7 inch M6A2 6.8 that shoots under an inch with any ammo I have put through it. I can not say the same for my M6A2 5.56. It shoots a little over an inch with 77 grainers but 3+ with different 55s. I know the heavier bullets are better for the twist rate. However, 68s and 69s shoot 1.5 to 2 inches. There is variance between guns. Perfectly reliable weapons though!
 
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LOL at everyone here. The REPR is a short stroke gas piston design. To quote a local gunsmith, "the quickest way to increase your group size is to install a gas piston."

There are two reasons for this. One is the weight of the piston hanging onto the gas block basically defeats the free-float of the barrel as it is heavy enough to hinder the barrel to flex freely.

Secondly, and this depends greatly on the system design, the bolt may begin to unlock before the bullet has left the barrel. This will bleed off small amounts of pressure for the last portion of the bullets path through the barrel. Just like shooting a round with a fast powder in a long barrel, the last bit of barrel will work against you and actually slow the round down due to friction. The amount will differ slightly from shot to shot.

This is why the M110 used by the Army is a DI system.

The REPR for all intensive purposes is a battle rifle once you strap a piston to the barrel. Sorry to say it, but 1-1.5 MOA is absolutely acceptable for this design which is why the REPR always had me scratching my head. I thought to myself, why don't I save all this trouble and spend $750 on a used FAL and re-barrel it with a quality barrel?
 
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LWRC has shown high speed camera footage of their rifles firing that shows the bullet has left the barrel before the piston has started to cycle, thus before the bolt starts to unlock. Point being that the piston doesn't affect the accuracy as urban legend would imply.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SGT Ticklefight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are two reasons for this. One is the weight of the piston hanging onto the gas block basically defeats the free-float of the barrel as it is heavy enough to hinder the barrel to flex freely. </div></div>

Yeah, that extra 4oz(POF gas plug ,gas piston, and op-rod) really makes my accuracy go to hell. I guess I better stop hanging my 16oz ThunderBeast off the end of my bolt gun before I can't hit anything.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSF</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SGT Ticklefight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are two reasons for this. One is the weight of the piston hanging onto the gas block basically defeats the free-float of the barrel as it is heavy enough to hinder the barrel to flex freely. </div></div>

Yeah, that extra 4oz(POF gas plug ,gas piston, and op-rod) really makes my accuracy go to hell. I guess I better stop hanging my 16oz ThunderBeast off the end of my bolt gun before I can't hit anything. </div></div>

+1..better take that can off...screwing you all up...lol
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is really no need for a piston on a semi auto AR, but that's another story for another day.
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one word....suppressors.
 
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LOL you do not have to have a Piston Operated rifle to be Reliable. All you need is a J P LRP-07 and perfection comes automatically. Mine will be here in JUNE
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jevan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL you do not have to have a Piston Operated rifle to be Reliable. All you need is a J P LRP-07 and perfection comes automatically. Mine will be here in JUNE
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I owned one and sold it.....enjoy....
 
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You know what I find interesting.....the thread entitled "LWRC REPR issues" gets post after post, but my thread about my REPR that doesn't have any problems and is shooting under MOA dropped like a rock.

Post up a rifle that disproves the "pistons are inaccurate.." line and nobody touches it...that's pretty funny, right there. Preconceived notions, anyone?
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Yes, it is unlikely that a REPR will be as inherently accurate as a Noveske or OBR because of the barrel differences. However, too many folks see a REPR not grouping and blame the rife, not the ammo, shooter, optic, etc. All the usual suspects that they would mention when someone has trouble getting a DI rifle to group...

For me, the REPR needed to be MOA. It's beating that, handily. The other attributes I wanted were tough, easy to clean and maintain, no gas-face from suppressor back-pressure, adjustable system for suppression (including a "Closed" setting for playing with subsonic stuff,) and normal top rail height.

If your criteria is absolute 1/4 moa accuracy, then the OBR, Noveske, JP, Gap stuff might be for you - assuming you find what it likes and can shoot to that level....which is a big assumption.
I never shoot for groups except with a new rifle or a new optic. Most of my time, I'm offhand or pinched to a mesquite tree/fence post. My emphasis is on MOA accuracy, utter reliability (not to say the DI's don't, but lube lasts longer on my LWRC rifles) and easy to clean once in awhile - but especially dealing well with the grubbiness, heat, and added pressures of suppression. With my list of requirements, the REPR suits.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know what I find interesting.....the thread entitled "LWRC REPR issues" gets post after post, but my thread about my REPR that doesn't have any problems and is shooting under MOA dropped like a rock.

Post up a rifle that disproves the "pistons are inaccurate.." line and nobody touches it...that's pretty funny, right there. Preconceived notions, anyone?
smile.gif
Yes, it is unlikely that a REPR will be as inherently accurate as a Noveske or OBR because of the barrel differences. However, too many folks see a REPR not grouping and blame the rife, not the ammo, shooter, optic, etc. All the usual suspects that they would mention when someone has trouble getting a DI rifle to group...

For me, the REPR needed to be MOA. It's beating that, handily. The other attributes I wanted were tough, easy to clean and maintain, no gas-face from suppressor back-pressure, adjustable system for suppression (including a "Closed" setting for playing with subsonic stuff,) and normal top rail height.

If your criteria is absolute 1/4 moa accuracy, then the OBR, Noveske, JP, Gap stuff might be for you - assuming you find what it likes and can shoot to that level....which is a big assumption.
I never shoot for groups except with a new rifle or a new optic. Most of my time, I'm offhand or pinched to a mesquite tree/fence post. My emphasis is on MOA accuracy, utter reliability (not to say the DI's don't, but lube lasts longer on my LWRC rifles) and easy to clean once in awhile - but especially dealing well with the grubbiness, heat, and added pressures of suppression. With my list of requirements, the REPR suits.

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Well said...I saw your REPR...it's preety....lol

The issues I had were straitened out, I still get a flyer with different shooters...ammo matched to the rifle...I will tell you, the REPR runs...clean up is easy....reliable, and is 3/4 MOA, for me, it fits the bill!
 
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I'm glad you got yours sorted out. Pretty is as pretty does!
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We all want a rifle to group to a standard, and it's dis-heartening when it doesn't. LWRC barrels are picky mothers, hates some ammo and loves a few. The 5.56 rifles are the same. So far, FGMM has been the ticket to tight groups on all my LWRC rifles, regardless of caliber. I know...I should be loading my own...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chainring</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know what I find interesting.....the thread entitled "LWRC REPR issues" gets post after post, but my thread about my REPR that doesn't have any problems and is shooting under MOA dropped like a rock.

Post up a rifle that disproves the "pistons are inaccurate.." line and nobody touches it...that's pretty funny, right there. Preconceived notions, anyone?
smile.gif
Yes, it is unlikely that a REPR will be as inherently accurate as a Noveske or OBR because of the barrel differences. However, too many folks see a REPR not grouping and blame the rife, not the ammo, shooter, optic, etc. All the usual suspects that they would mention when someone has trouble getting a DI rifle to group...

For me, the REPR needed to be MOA. It's beating that, handily. The other attributes I wanted were tough, easy to clean and maintain, no gas-face from suppressor back-pressure, adjustable system for suppression (including a "Closed" setting for playing with subsonic stuff,) and normal top rail height.

If your criteria is absolute 1/4 moa accuracy, then the OBR, Noveske, JP, Gap stuff might be for you - assuming you find what it likes and can shoot to that level....which is a big assumption.
I never shoot for groups except with a new rifle or a new optic. Most of my time, I'm offhand or pinched to a mesquite tree/fence post. My emphasis is on MOA accuracy, utter reliability (not to say the DI's don't, but lube lasts longer on my LWRC rifles) and easy to clean once in awhile - but especially dealing well with the grubbiness, heat, and added pressures of suppression. With my list of requirements, the REPR suits.

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Well said Chain... Alot of truth being stated above....
 
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