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Mini Stock Pad

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I'm waiting on the rest of the testers for feedback. Sniper1* has been awesome, and has given me a lot of information, and recommendations. Waiting on 2 other people to get back to me. One is on vacation, and will not be able to test it out until 2nd week in April. Another i'll see at a competition next week, and will tie him down to get more out of him. His comment, "I like it!". I asked, "Which one of the two I sent you?" His response, "There were two in there? I just reached in the box, grabbed it out, and slapped in on my rifle." LOL. I've got some parts on order for the 550 cord model to make it stronger. And the velcro model is close. I should have it wrapped up in a couple of weeks. I want to run it at the comp (as well as the other tester), and get a good feel for it besides my standard range trip. I may make 2 more for friends i'm going to see, and have them run them as well.
 
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Mini stock pad field testing.
 
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I am thinking of making it rectangular instead of the current shape. Thoughts? Some like the current design shape, and some think that a rectangle would work just as well (which would allow more room to move the velcro straps out farther from the pillars of the cheek piece).

It also seems that there are 2 different groups. Ones that like the 550 cord model, and ones that like the velcro. The 550 cord gives you the option of placing it wherever you want it, but would be is more difficult to install, and wouldn't be as easy to move around if so desired.
 
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the rectangular shape would allow larger cheek area and more forward cheek placement.

velcro for me
 
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Here is some feedback on some of the ones out for testing (Note- the velcro is meant to be trimmed to length):

Prototype 2

On first impression the Velcro on Prototype 2 looks as if it may not hold up. The hooks and loops don’t look big enough to hold well. After putting it on and then taking it off my rifles multiple times it shows no signs of pilling or wear. It holds securely and shows no signs of slipping or coming loose. The spacing on the straps is a little close for the cheek pieces on my Manners stocks. I am not sure how other manufacturers stocks would fit. I imagine anyone using the KMW Loggerhead cheek pieces would experience the same thing. Perhaps other style cheek pieces would work. On my .338 I could not use Prototype 2 because it was seated to far forward for the long bolt to come back fully when loading or unloading a round. The front of the pad was completely over the bolt cutout on the cheek piece. I am not sure if this would be an issue with a standard long action but it worked fine on my short action .22-250. The short action bolt has plenty of clearance. If you could put a u shape in the top over the cutout it would probably work fine but I imagine that would not be easy to do. The Velcro straps make installing and removing the pad very quick and easy. It only takes a few moments to swap it from rifle to rifle allowing a shooter to use the same pad on multiple rifles. For someone that keeps their cheek piece relatively low the Velcro straps increase the height less than 1/8”. The e-clips that I use on the cheek pieces are positioned higher than the 2 straps of Velcro providing ample clearance.

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Prototype 3

I was a little concerned how easy or hard it would be to install Prototype 3 when I first got it. I did not know how securely the plastic piece would hold the 550 cord. I laced the cord through the holes several different ways before I decided on what I liked best. This seems like the most universal fit. The 550 cord allowed me to position the cheek pad right where I wanted it without any issue. Once I first installed the pack I cinched the cord down as tight as I could then threaded it through the plastic clip. I considered remelting the ends and attempting to mold the two cord ends into one before they cooled to ensure that they can’t come out but decided against that. The cord does cause a slight clearance issue with the cheek piece depending on how it is placed at the back of the cheek piece. It has to be run under the cheek piece the entire time. I initially ran the ends and clip off of the back of the cheek piece but that prevented me from reinserting in into the stock. With the cord underneath and the clip at the back you don’t even know they are there when shooting. They are out of the way and cause absolutely no issue. Once cinched down all the way the pad remains in place with little to no movement. I never readjusted it the entire time I was shooting. I like the adjustability on Prototype 3 the best. It definitely seems like the most universal of the 2.

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I like the current shape/design. I think if the Velcro was moved about a 1/2" or maybe 3/4" towards the back on the rear strap it might make for more room for adjustment. I could have placed it where the straps were not against the post. I would not want it much farther forward though and having the strap against the posts keeps the pad from moving around. If it was farther back it would completely cover the stock pack rather than leave a little uncovered in the back. I did not mind or notice anything missing though with a portion of the back of the cheek piece exposed.
 
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Still working on it. Still waiting on the HD grommets, and playing with different versions of velcro.
 
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Superde,

Saw your idea today for the first time. Its great in concept, but the actualization is the real question.

Just trying to help out here...


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If you could remove the studs on the cheek price you could use something like elastic with holes in it like the webbing and slide it on and put the studs back in place.
 
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RollingThunder51, You do have a simple looking design that is functional on several systems, but, mine is a bit different as are several others out there.

Trying to find a good universal fit that has a clean appearance and functions well is the name of the game.

My Cheekpiece hardware is one that is a bit different!
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Velcro Untrimmed front the front!
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Velcro Untrimmed from the side!
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Velcro Trimmed!
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I have tried Proto 1, 2, and 3 (I think)!

I have gone back to the velcro version pending further developments.
 
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Thats it, I like that. I would expect that every model adjustable will have its differences and a swap in/out center panel piece can account for that.

I would eliminate all the velcro seen in your photo except for the facings that go under the check rest. When one wraps around under the gear work, go with a heavy bomb cloth as it will retain its stiffness (and not attract so much crap) and provide much less wiggle movement than flexible velcro will.

I too would like to purchase one for a McM when the design stabilizes.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Superde,

Saw your idea today for the first time. Its great in concept, but the actualization is the real question.

Just trying to help out here...


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I actually have a prototype the same as what you are describing. The question is what's they way to fit the most types of stocks with at most 3 styles of stock pads? It's looking like the 550 cord model with heavy duty teethed grommets which gives you the most flexibility of mounting. A velcro model to fit most stocks for ease of moving around and installation (also less time to make = lower cost). And a model to fit Rock Solid Stocks specifically, since the check piece is smaller than all the rest.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thats it, I like that. I would expect that every model adjustable will have its differences and a swap in/out center panel piece can account for that.

I would eliminate all the velcro seen in your photo except for the facings that go under the check rest. When one wraps around under the gear work, go with a heavy bomb cloth as it will retain its stiffness (and not attract so much crap) and provide much less wiggle movement than flexible velcro will.

I too would like to purchase one for a McM when the design stabilizes.

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The 2 velcro straps that are in some of the current prototypes is double sided and does not flex. I ran it in South Texas at the Bushnell Brawl, and it didn't pick up any noticeable grit (unlike my action, which had dust and junk all in it lol). The prototype that goes over the pillars has resin treated webbing on the bottom that the holes are in.

My current concern is the synthetic suede on the cheek piece. I've run about 700 rounds through my rifle, plus dry firing, and it seems that the suede is wearing some. It is the shiny part next to my thumb, where my check rests on the stock. Apparently my unshaved face has warn a little of the nap off of the synthetic suede. It still feels the same, but i'm wondering what the life span of the material might be. I'm putting calls out to see what other options are out there.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Mini stock pad field testing.</div></div>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Hahaha! That is another "prototype" me and a couple of other guys were running to make us more solid while shooting barricades.
 
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I haven't had anyone ask about the AICS. I don't have one on any of my rifles currently. Can you get the measurements listed on the 2nd or 3rd page of the thread? Width of flat on bottom, length of cheek piece, and the "arch of the cheekpiece. I think a buddy just picked up a AICS for a .338 Lapua barreled action he has, which I can get measurements from.
 
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the suede does not look worn to me. it looks matted from oil and sweat on the face. wipe it down with a warm cloth and see if it come back. that is a pretty tough material probably just dirty
 
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So, if indeed the issue is that there are too many different stock patterns and cheek rest patters, lets really simplify.

Produce a double sided (now one velcro piece on either side) of the under panel. Make the top cheek rest piece completely separate, in other words you are selling a two part kit.

- The lower Binder Pad, all about proper fit and retention.
- The upper Top Pad, all about fit and options.

All completely adjustable and totally secure.

Now one would:

1. Select the appropriate "Binder Pad" base for their rifle. The Binder Layer would be a wholly separate panel that has the holes and a piece of male velcro on either side. It would slip over the support arms of a given rifle.

2. Select the right "Top Pad" for your rifle. You could sell them generically now.

- Cheek piece weld left side, bullet holder right side.
- Cheek piece right and left
- Check piece left, dope chart panel right.

The top pad comes with the two pieces of velcro attached underneath to receive the two pieces of velcro from the "Binder Pad" base.


This has real advantageous because now one can mix and match as required. The right Binder Pad with a small profile Top Pad, or large profile Top Pad, etc.

And one more thing, this now frees up the top pad to hang over both sides of the actual stock cheek rest. Providing much more coverage and potentially keeping the gear works cleaner.

Top pad wears out, no problem, keep the base pad and buy a new Top Pad only. It also does away with all cords, cord binders, eyelets, velcro edges, etc. and lets the cheeks piece (if required) be set lower as a result of the absence.

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^^^^ I like this idea. Or to make it simpler, just sell the top part with adhesive Velcro that you could stick to the both sides of the cheek piece, and the other half of the Velcro could be stitched to the cheek pad.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollingThunder51</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could, but that would drive the paint by number crowd baffey. </div></div>

Lol, very true. However they end up being built I'm in for at least 1 for my upcoming build.
 
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How's the project coming? My t5a is doing okay w/ the triad pack, but it would be awesome with a mini. Any development on a possible pack that could install on the lower, so as to have the best of both worlds?
 
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I've been busy with family stuff last few days. I will get back on the machine tomorrow. I'm going to make one like RT51's idea. I wan't to get the stock pad done before I proceed on the other.

On the pack, are you talking ammo loops, or an actual zippered pouch? How much real estate (-"x-") do you have on the side.
 
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You could go with either or both. Here is a photo of my T5A with the cheekrest removed to show how a pack the same size as a Tac-Ops stock pack would easily fit in the lower area.

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The usable dimensions of the lower area would be 7.5" long with a 2.25" height at the front and a 3.25" height at the rear.

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This would give you a pack that would still accommodate lens cleaning rag, spare batteries and allen wrenches and a dope card or two. All of which would be modular, allowing a buyer to pick and choose.
 
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Update: I've still been working on this, in-between family, day job, etc. I've got some materials coming in this week. After making this a bunch of different ways I ran out of grosgrain ribbon (binding on the outside).
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One with a "wrap". 2" webbing stitched on one side with hook, loop on the inside of pad.
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Rectangular shape.
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Prototype a friend requested to try out. Adhesive velcro on check piece, and stock pad sticks to it with loop sewn on bottom. I should have put hook on the cheek piece in case it comes off his face wouldn't be on a cheese grater lol.
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One with 3 straps.
 
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superde how are teh pads coming. I am in the market again for one in black this time. 550 cord with heavy grommets or are there any updated designs?
 
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The current design is like this:
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It has 2" velcro on one side of the bottom with holes for the posts of the stock to go through (very little chance of slippage, definitely not coming off). On the other side it has a strip of 1" velcro that it meets with. This particular one is for a Rock Solid Stock. The RS people have been keeping me busy.

I'm in the middle of trying to get a few unpadded stock pads (oxymoron) out to a couple people to try. Something with just the synthetic suede and no HD foam. Some people have said that the 1/8" HD foam pushes their cheek to far off the centerline of the rifle, behind the scope.

I haven't made any more 550 cord models at his time. I need to get the HD grommets in, as i've got the paperwork from the manufacturer, but haven't finished filling it out. I've been swamped.
 
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Keep me in mind if you decide to do any more with the 550 cord please. The 2 pads i have now are holding up very well and I am completely satisfied with them.
 
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Any chance these could fit a karsten style riser? Would definitely be in if so.
 
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I had a local tailor mod my Triad pack. For those of us with the Terry Cross riser it is laterally adjustable. The pillars have Allen heads and can be loosened. I kicked mine full right.


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