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Sniper's Hide Tango 51 from Tac Ops

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That's awesome, thanks for the pics and report. Those cans are something special, for sure.

What beautiful attention to detail on the bottom metal, spectacular!

And........they seem to shoot just fine.

Mike takes the time to chat about the build or the cans even during his crazy schedule, thank you Mike!

I often think about my Tac Ops .300 Win Mag arriving.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Want to Thanks Mike R from Tac Ops</div></div>

Frank please excuse the dealy as I have been off line for a few days. Your welcome and remember you have a lifetime warranty other then BL.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike R.
Tac Ops</span>
 
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Beautiful rifle and suppressor. Will be giving TacOps a call.
 
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For those of you who want to know about the Suppressor and just how good it is,

This is a video of it, full power loads, FGMM 168gr Ammo...

It's accurate and quiet:

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/YCMYA5ftu1s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
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It sounds like your shooting subsonics... thats awesome!
 
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Frank glad to see you got a TacOps rifle it sure is beautiful. I have a Lima 51 and it is the most accurate rifle I have ever shot. The fit and finish is unlike any other rifle I have came across. I also have a can from Mike and it is by far the quietest can I have heard and even friends of mine say the same. You can't beat the customer service that Mike offers either he is truely a stand up guy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The suppressor is outstanding, it really shines, maintains accuracy, and is super quiet. I know Mike has a lot of proprietary tech in his cans, and they work. Really quiet, next to no signature what so ever.

To this day, the quietest can I have ever heard was a Tac Ops, it was an older 300WM from LA Sheriffs, and the rifle was quieter than most 308s with a can.

The can from Mike was definitely a priority for me. </div></div>

Good to hear. What does the Tac Ops run price wise?

Also if it was noted i didn't notice but I couldn't find the targets on the FB page are they on the wall or in photos? Or are those it that your groups are on?
 
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Pics are in the wall Photo's
Price will depend on the options you get, more options = +$$$$
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Highlands122</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pics are in the wall Photo's
Price will depend on the options you get, more options = +$$$$ </div></div>

I was referring to the suppressor, should have been more specific.
 
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Send Black Ops a PM he will tell you what they cost. From the looks of the engraving on that floorplate, I can't wait to see how mine is gonna turn out!!!!
 
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That is ridiculously quiet. I didn't realize how quiet mine was until I was standing behind another shooter watching him shoot mine. Definitely quieter than other cans I have heard in 308, but I haven't really heard that many.

I really need a suppressor cover so I can shoot more before mirage forces me to stop. It is one of the main reasons I don't like to shoot suppressed.
 
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I have to say... their web page kinda sucks.

But, web page isn't the important thing anyway is it? So long as the products are superb!
 
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Man that thing looks like it cycles so easy and smooth.
 
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Give Mike at Tactical Operations a call (310) 275-8797. He would be more than glad to talk to you. His suppressors are amazingly quiet and he will answer any questions you have about his product. He likes to build a rifle and pair it with a suppressor if you want one but he might work out something with you where you can send your rifle in and have it threaded but don't hold me to that statement to me.
I just love the platform he has built me and I definately want another. You can't beat his customer service either the man is highly dedicated in what he does.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Give Mike at Tactical Operations a call (310) 275-8797. He would be more than glad to talk to you. His suppressors are amazingly quiet and he will answer any questions you have about his product. He likes to build a rifle and pair it with a suppressor if you want one but he might work out something with you where you can send your rifle in and have it threaded but don't hold me to that statement to me.
I just love the platform he has built me and I definately want another. You can't beat his customer service either the man is highly dedicated in what he does.</div></div>

Thank you for the kind words rem_308 it was a pleasure to deal with you. Feel free to call anytime as you know I am on Coms until very late in the AM's lol
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
 
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I hope someday I will be lucky enough to own a Tac-Ops (I want a Lima 51).
 
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It sure looks like an amazing rifle, but can someone tell me what is the advantage with a top-feeder like this compared to a DBM on a tactical rifle?
I am not questioning the choice, I am only curious to hear the reason for it.
Thanks
 
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Probably no advantage, but sometimes old school is cool.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snakeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It sure looks like an amazing rifle, but can someone tell me what is the advantage with a top-feeder like this compared to a DBM on a tactical rifle?
I am not questioning the choice, I am only curious to hear the reason for it.
Thanks</div></div>

The majority of Tac Ops clients are Law Enforcement so the need for a DBMS is not necessary and really a special request only done on a limited basis.

As well Mike feels a one piece base causes undue stress on the receiver as well using a two piece base is easier to load from the top.

I have more than enough Remington style tactical rifles with a DBMS, and when you get a Tac Ops you get it for the accuracy and how he builds them. I saw no reason to bend the build, I wanted one of his rifles how he chooses to make it. In fact I spec'd no part of it and hand no idea which model I was getting until it arrived. It didn't matter.

But the are mainly LE weapons and built mission specific.
 
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Ok, thanks for the explanation.

Generally speaking, is there in your opinion any downsides with DBMS compared to topfeeding rifles?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Generally speaking, is there in your opinion any downsides with DBMS compared to topfeeding rifles?</div></div>

Are you asking myself or Low Light ? It would truly depend on the OPS Application to be honest. For the LEO Sniper that is 80% of our customer base I would hand them a platform like the one Frank got period. For Spec Ops they would have a DBM in most cases but that would depend...

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
 
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Hello Mike!

My question was directed to LL but I am also very interested in your opinion.

Like I said before, I am not questioning what you and LL are saying, but I am curious to learn WHY it is more desirable with a topfeeder to a LEO sniper?
What benefits does it give over the DBMS?

Finally I must say your rifles looks awesome. I am deeply impressed in what can be seen in the pictures and I am sure they look and feel even better irl.

Keep up the good work and thanks for taking your time in answering questions like this.
 
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I generally run a DBM <span style="font-style: italic">(the S was my iPad auto correct)</span> and have not seen any downside to it.

I doubt a top feeder gives you any benefit over the DBM but that is how Mike does it and has for a very long time. The issue is, the round count, generally speaking the rifle is not designed by mission to be shooting a lot in the context of its job. In my hands or your hands it is certainly more a target rifle than a working rifle, but in the Law Enforcement capacity a working rifle of this nature should not be shooting more than twice, and in most cases once. So the DBM is pretty unnecessary.

Plus a DBM doesn't let you engrave the bottom plate.

But as far as shooting benefits, I doubt it.
 
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Frank do you think you could post your chrony results? I dont have a chrony but I'm running the exact same tango.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snakeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said before, I am not questioning what you and LL are saying, but I am curious to learn WHY it is more desirable with a topfeeder to a LEO sniper?
What benefits does it give over the DBMS?
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Look at it this way:

LEO

- FGMM is standard issue (Tac Ops is chambered to shoot FGMM)
- Collateral damage is very expensive as we are a litigious society, therefore accuracy is at a premium (Tac Ops focuses on incredible accuracy)
- Environments tend to be target lean with good guys often outnumbering bad guys where the reverse is true for say, a military sniper (internal mag vs. DBM)

An internal mag does have a few benefits. Generally, you can fit longer bullets/cartridges into an internal mag, a rifle with an internal mag makes for a stiffer stock, and generally, it weighs a bit less. I am sure Mike can go more into his own reasons. For me, the bigger internal mag is really nice because I can seat heavier bulets out a little farther.
 
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I realize this is a bit tangential, but Frank, I have to chime in and agree with Aries64 on the quality of those photos. They really are professional-quality IMO. They almost belong in one of those glossy ads in a firearms magazine. Perchance have you any higher-resolution copies to share?

Yours,

David
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snakeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like I said before, I am not questioning what you and LL are saying, but I am curious to learn WHY it is more desirable with a topfeeder to a LEO sniper?
What benefits does it give over the DBMS?
</div></div>

Look at it this way:

LEO

- FGMM is standard issue (Tac Ops is chambered to shoot FGMM)
- Collateral damage is very expensive as we are a litigious society, therefore accuracy is at a premium (Tac Ops focuses on incredible accuracy)
- Environments tend to be target lean with good guys often outnumbering bad guys where the reverse is true for say, a military sniper (internal mag vs. DBM)

An internal mag does have a few benefits. Generally, you can fit longer bullets/cartridges into an internal mag, a rifle with an internal mag makes for a stiffer stock, and generally, it weighs a bit less. I am sure Mike can go more into his own reasons. For me, the bigger internal mag is really nice because I can seat heavier bulets out a little farther. </div></div>


GMM isn't longer than an AICS mag anyway. So that point is moot. What factory ammo that an LE sniper uses would be longer than spec?

The stock is stronger with a floorplate inlet than DBM inlet? How is that? I'd like some real evidence of that before I believe it makes any significant difference.

Mike's rifles are nice. They are what they are. They are old-school and there's nothing wrong with that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DP425</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a good candidate for 2012 Sniper's Hide limited Edition Rifle... I'd guess this stands a much better chance of order fulfillment than that jackass from the 2009 rifle. </div></div>

That's be cool! I'd be in for a Lima or a Tango.
 
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My point about the internal mag allowing longer bullets was for my own benefit, not for any of the points mentioned above. That is why I said, "For me, the bigger internal mag is really nice because I can seat heavier bulets out a little farther." and not "For LE, the bigger internal mag is really nice because they can seat heavier bullets out a little farther."
 
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after the last run, i doubt mike would touch that but i'm just guessing. his waiting list is already around a year or so for his spec rifles, make it for a group of 15 guys that half of which would get impatient after about 3 months and probably constantly call, pm, email or publicly blast him... i wouldn't want to either.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> his waiting list is already around a year or so for his spec rifles</div></div>

More like TWO YEARS.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Killshot44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More like TWO YEARS. </div></div>

I just put in my order two weeks ago, and Mike told me ten months, <span style="font-style: italic">maybe</span> a year if other work gets hairy on him. Given the work he does, the wait seems entirely reasonable to me.

-David
 
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i know that david, and i have mike doin one for me. I have had a 1911 at a well known shop for almost 2 years now, i'm a patient man and know i will get it eventually. If a shop tells me 2 years and i decide the wait is worth it, i'm not goin to lose my mind until around 2 years and 1 month then i'll start asking where we are at... diference is some people get quoted a year and then start calling at 3 months asking where they are at.

i'm no in any way answering for mike. just making a observation from what i've seen.
 
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At this point in time, no Limited Edition version, after the nightmare of the one that didn't happen, people would not be able to handle the wait times. It would turn into a mess for everyone with people wanting it now.

I took the photos, and I have the full versions, sharing them, well not sure on that.

I never heard of a hinged floor plate being stronger, as said above no evidence of that... it's just old school how Mike does it, and I have no interest in dictating in this case. I wanted the old school rifle how Mike does it. I have enough magazine fed versions. if Mike wants to make a barreled action available I will drop it in a chassis to get the magazine.

Quoting times are hard, you have to order it and forget about it, otherwise you're in for a disappointment. Which goes back to point number one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i know that david, and i have mike doin one for me. I have had a 1911 at a well known shop for almost 2 years now, i'm a patient man and know i will get it eventually. If a shop tells me 2 years and i decide the wait is worth it, i'm not goin to lose my mind until around 2 years and 1 month then i'll start asking where we are at... <span style="font-weight: bold">difference is some people get quoted a year and then start calling at 3 months asking where they are at.</span>

i'm no in any way answering for mike. just making a observation from what i've seen. </div></div>

Hi Joe,

Yeah, I totally hear that; no way will I call him to start making even the politest of status inquiries until the summer of 2013. I just wrote to point out that the wait really isn't all that bad. Killshot44 said ~two years, but from everything I've seen, it's generally less than one.

Yours,

David
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: davidjschenk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i know that david, and i have mike doin one for me. I have had a 1911 at a well known shop for almost 2 years now, i'm a patient man and know i will get it eventually. If a shop tells me 2 years and i decide the wait is worth it, i'm not goin to lose my mind until around 2 years and 1 month then i'll start asking where we are at... <span style="font-weight: bold">difference is some people get quoted a year and then start calling at 3 months asking where they are at.</span>

i'm no in any way answering for mike. just making a observation from what i've seen. </div></div>

Hi Joe,

Yeah, I totally hear that; no way will I call him to start making even the politest of status inquiries until the summer of 2013. I just wrote to point out that the wait really isn't all that bad. Killshot44 said ~two years, but from everything I've seen, it's generally less than one.

Yours,

David </div></div>

I've actually heard of some going over two. But yeah, always a good idea not to harass the guy building your rifle. Just give them the cash and wait. It comes when it comes.
 
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Very nice!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My point about the internal mag allowing longer bullets was for my own benefit, not for any of the points mentioned above. That is why I said, "For me, the bigger internal mag is really nice because I can seat heavier bulets out a little farther." and not "For LE, the bigger internal mag is really nice because they can seat heavier bullets out a little farther." </div></div>

The internal mag does not offer the ability for LE to seat longer as no LE ever is going to use anything but factory ammo.

Mike does not use detachable magazines because Mike does not use detachable magazines. His rifles shoot great but I would love to see him offer a detachable magazine set up.

Mike's chambers are short enough you wont be seating bullets longer either until the bbls is near worn out. His are designed to work with factory ammo and there is one of the secrets to why they shoot so well.
 
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Frank</span> just wanted to stop by and see how your Tango 51 is treating you. I just started working on another special project and will let you know when it is GTG
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
 
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Hey mike. I've left several messages over the last couple weeks. Is there any way you could take the time to returnmy call?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey mike. I've left several messages over the last couple weeks. Is there any way you could take the time to returnmy call? </div></div>


Hey bro,
just to give you a heads up. I had been having a hard time as well getting a hold of Mike. Because I'm law enforcement, he provided me with his home number in case of an emergency. Well an emergency came up, so I had to call Mike at home. This was around last Monday when I was speaking to him and he sounded sicker than shit. At first I didn't think I was even talking to Mike he sounded so bad. From what I found out, it sounded like he had been that way for a while. I know his manager, Joe, has been working his ass off trying to return voicemails and other shit for Mike. That's probably why he hasn't called you back.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brinkhdlow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey mike. I've left several messages over the last couple weeks. Is there any way you could take the time to returnmy call? </div></div>


Hey bro,
just to give you a heads up. I had been having a hard time as well getting a hold of Mike. Because I'm law enforcement, he provided me with his home number in case of an emergency. Well an emergency came up, so I had to call Mike at home. This was around last Monday when I was speaking to him and he sounded sicker than shit. At first I didn't think I was even talking to Mike he sounded so bad. From what I found out, it sounded like he had been that way for a while. I know his manager, Joe, has been working his ass off trying to return voicemails and other shit for Mike. That's probably why he hasn't called you back.
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">VTi</span></span> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Murel</span></span> -

I visited Mike at his shop a couple of weeks ago (before SHOT), and Mike was sick as a dog. And indeed, he still is. He's actually been that way since before Christmas, but work must proceed. Anyway, I got a peek at the <span style="font-style: italic">"special project"</span> Mike mentioned - very cool. I wish I could say what it is, but Mike would kill me if I disclosed anything about it.


Keith
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brinkhdlow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey mike. I've left several messages over the last couple weeks. Is there any way you could take the time to returnmy call? </div></div>


Hey bro,
just to give you a heads up. I had been having a hard time as well getting a hold of Mike. Because I'm law enforcement, he provided me with his home number in case of an emergency. Well an emergency came up, so I had to call Mike at home. This was around last Monday when I was speaking to him and he sounded sicker than shit. At first I didn't think I was even talking to Mike he sounded so bad. From what I found out, it sounded like he had been that way for a while. I know his manager, Joe, has been working his ass off trying to return voicemails and other shit for Mike. That's probably why he hasn't called you back.
</div></div>

Thank you for the info.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brinkhdlow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VTi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey mike. I've left several messages over the last couple weeks. Is there any way you could take the time to returnmy call? </div></div>


Hey bro,
just to give you a heads up. I had been having a hard time as well getting a hold of Mike. Because I'm law enforcement, he provided me with his home number in case of an emergency. Well an emergency came up, so I had to call Mike at home. This was around last Monday when I was speaking to him and he sounded sicker than shit. At first I didn't think I was even talking to Mike he sounded so bad. From what I found out, it sounded like he had been that way for a while. I know his manager, Joe, has been working his ass off trying to return voicemails and other shit for Mike. That's probably why he hasn't called you back.
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">VTi</span></span> and <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Murel</span></span> -

I visited Mike at his shop a couple of weeks ago (before SHOT), and Mike was sick as a dog. And indeed, he still is. He's actually been that way since before Christmas, but work must proceed. Anyway, I got a peek at the <span style="font-style: italic">"special project"</span> Mike mentioned - very cool. I wish I could say what it is, but Mike would kill me if I disclosed anything about it.


Keith </div></div>

Take one for the team Keith! Spill it?

Frank, how you finding the Tango? How far have you taken it out to?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take one for the team Keith! Spill it?</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">He's not a Rat
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LOL

Mike
Tac Ops</span>

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Keith's an honourable guy... and blessed with a well developed sense of self-preservation...

c'mon Mike, play nice...