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6 WOA

Scottmilk9

Custom AR builder
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Mar 8, 2004
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www.sdrifles.com
Any interest in this caliber. Here are some specs:
Uses a 6.8spc case
necked to 6mm
great coyote hunting cartridge
Barrels/uppers/complete guns available
WOA sells dies for these, they run about $145
Simple reloading procedure, run through full length die and load.

PM or email for pricing.
 
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Any info on ballistics? What bullets can be reloaded to mag length? These feed out of a std 223 mag?

Sorry, I know nothing about the parent cartridge.
 
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Whats different about this 6 WOA than say the 6 DTI...

JasonK... I would guess you would have to run 6.8 mags vs. standard AR mags...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: elkhuntinguide</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whats different about this 6 WOA than say the 6 DTI...

JasonK... I would guess you would have to run 6.8 mags vs. standard AR mags... </div></div>

On the first, its kind of like "what the difference between a 6.5SLR and a 260AI? One's die sized and one's a fireform blown forward 30* shoulder....

This looks like one of the better rounds for the AR15 platform.
 
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I would say yes you have to run 6.8 mags just for the simple fact that the case is still the same 6.8 SPC case but just necked down to 6mm. I tried my 6.8 ammo in my .223 mags and they bulge out to much to be able to use them. The problem is the case not bullet size.



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Yep, a necked down 6.8SPC, uses 6.8 mags. Some HP shooters are using it, I have an upper chambered in 6PDK, which is a slightly "bigger" 6WOA. I can run 107 class bullets mag length. Accuracy, at least out of my WOP (a division of WOA), is excellent. Velocity isnt near say a 6XC out of a bolt gun, of course, but for shooting yotes and stuff, i would think it would be much better than a 223.

Reloading, load development, etc is pretty easy and straight forward.

John
 
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Much more case capacity....

The 6.8 has more case capacity than a 6.5 Grendel, and is pushing a bullet that weighs 13% less (107 vs 123 for example).

If interested y'all should get in contact with Scott so he can get builds in the works.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: xmark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How does this compare to the 6mm AR or AR turbo? </div></div>

I shoot a grendel as well and the brass is over $1.00 a peice if you go with Lapua.

6.8spc brass by SSA is $0.50 per, so the savings is 1/2 right off the bat.

I like the 6WOA over the others because price and brass availability.
 
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I wonder how much it would be to just rebarrel a 6.8 SPC II upper to this ? Might just have to give him a call. I wonder if there will be a die to down size the neck of a 6.8. Hell I might just get another upper
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: winxp_man</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder how much it would be to just rebarrel a 6.8 SPC II upper to this ? Might just have to give him a call. I wonder if there will be a die to down size the neck of a 6.8. Hell I might just get another upper
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Unless its a really special upper, you may consider just getting the complete unit built by Specialized Dynamics and sell your upper (or keep it).
I know Scott stands behind anything he does, but for sure stands behind it when purchased as an entire unit.

I'm really thinking hard about selling my upper and doing one of these wince I now have a 6mm boltgun....
 
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I will get the final numbers and would like to get these ordered before leaving for Oklahoma on thursday. SO I'll need a definite answer and a deposit.

Thanks all for your interest and support.

Scott
 
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Scott,

I have been shooting the 6WOA since its inception, and all I have is wonderful things to say about the caliber/package. I call this a package, because that is what it is, more later. There are many caliber options available today, if compared when the 6WOA came to be, but I have not seen any that is as versatile, and inherently accurate, as this one.

Now, this does not mean that other 6mm/6.5mm options are as good, but I can almost certainly say that they don't go past the line. How can I so assuredly arrive to such an "opinion" ?, well, it's all in the grouping, vertical inches. This is how I measure my accuracy, regardless if it is 300M, 500, 600, or 1000yds.

You can make the other options almost as accurate, but get ready for some fancy loading technique, dedicated time, and plenty foreplay. My favorite is the 6mm Haggar. If anybody doubts its accuracy, feel free to ask Mr. Carl Bernosky, who favors the extra speed and inherent accuracy of same. Practically a longer 6WOA, of sorts, based on a 30Rem case.

I have shot most of the available options out there, and still have to find a user friendly cartridge as simple as the 6mmWOA. Run the brass through the FL sizer, closing the neck. You are done. Go shoot, and fireform if you must. Some believe that fireforming is a prime neccesity. Some times it is, sometimes not. The 6WOA is forgiving. My first time at 600 yds with non fire formed brass bought me a 198-12X, 198-15X, 198-13X. All dropped points were on call between the wind and myself. It is a 600 yd cleaner. Mind you, fire formed brass did close the vertical spread in half. And every little bit helps.

As to the package, it seems as if the 6WOA was specially made for the AR-15 system, and vice versa. It works great with 6.8 magazines for XTC, and single feed for prone. The speed and accuracy sweet zones intersect each other like a marriage in wonderland. Shoot SIE 70, or 107 SMKs, and Berger 70, or 90, or 105BT, and you won't have to look elsewhere. And I do mean, don't look elsewhere. If you have to, this is not your rifle.

With a SIE SMK 107, or Berger 105, you will be in accuracy heaven between 2,720-2,750fps. Don't push further. Stay with Varget, life is good, no surprises. Use CCI BR-4 or Fed 205M with the SSA SP brass. Want to cut the vertical spread a bit more? Separate the brass by weight, cut, trim, debur, etc.

What is accuracy? For many, hitting a coke can at 600yds, and tht's fine. For me, it is hitting the 3" spotter repeatedly at 600yds, with irons sights and slung. Not many calibers can do this as effortlessly, unless they are a 6PPC, 6BR, or 6XC, and its variants. But these sure don't work in the AR-15 platform. Do you get my drift now about what I mean about the "package"?

There is another recent caliber, the 6RAT, using Grendel brass (expensive), which when fireformed, stretches considerably, so that it will accept enough powder to push the envelope past 2,800 fps. My take is that the 6mm 105/107/108 enjoys another accuracy node between 2,860-2,880 fps. If you can make it work, well, you'd be in heaven.

Keep it simple, and the more simple it is, the more time you'll spend getting to know the rifle. A win-win situation indeed.

Cheers, and enjoy.

Andy
 
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I don't have the experience with this round shooting spots like Andy does. I had my rifle built for a calling rifle. I couldn't be more happy with it. I FL size the SSA sp brass, stick a BR4 in, cram it full of Benchmark and top it off with a 65* vmax. I've not had a coyote take a second step after being shot with this combo. I've had dogs hang up at just under 300 and it's literally "bang-flop". I've had my rifle for 2 seasons now and have sold a couple of my hunting buddies on it also. I had an AR-10 chambered in .243 before and while it performed well, it wasn't nearly as handy as the 15.

Good luck to ya.
 
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IMO The biggest problems with the 6mm Hagar is brass. You have to form them from cut down .30 Rem. cases. To my knowledge there is no reliable source of formed brass. That has to be a pain in the ass.

Having a active source for 6.8 brass is a tremendous advantage.

Good luck

Jerry
 
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Thanks for everyones input, it means a lot to see the experience here shine.

Last chance for someone to get a barrel/upper or complete gun in the 6WOA.

Please email me if you want the info:
scott AT specializeddynamics.com
 
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Scott, once they discover what this round is you'll be covered up.
This round makes a real rifle out of an AR-15. I ran a RAT which is ballistically a variation of 6WO. Only rig I've ever had requiring no load development. Just load it with what is called for and shoot it Don't fickle with it.

"6WO is for shootn', not for experimentn'."

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Above. 600 yards. This is a 105 Amax.


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Above. Next target beside the above target.
Would've done more of this, but I didn't know the shots were coming in so well until I checked the targets physically. By that time the sun was too low or someone else needed to shoot, I don't remember, but the point is the round shoots.

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400 yards. Aiming point is 1"square. This is the 87 grain Vmax.




 
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Thanks Casey, i agree folks just don't know about this round. Its a heck of a caliber and I'll be running mine for mainly hunting and hoping to get the opprutunity to shoot a coyote over 750yds this year.
 
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This is my number one go to caliber for killing coyotes these days. I have a heavier version than what Scott builds, but I may well have him build me a lighter version also. here is the one I run currently.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ARPredatorHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is my number one go to caliber for killing coyotes these days. I have a heavier version than what Scott builds, but I may well have him build me a lighter version also. here is the one I run currently.

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ARP that thing is freaking sick. What is your go to bullet in this? Have you tried the 105 class bullets?
 
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I'd be interested in a barrel/bolt combo. I tried to pm but I think your box is full. Do you know the lengths and contours of the barrels yet?
 
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Looked at the website I will call tomorrow but I would love to see this thread develop. So if I get this right, put 6.8 spc through a FL sizer and that's it? What barrel lengths would you get the most benefits from?
 
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I've made 22 and 24 inch barrels and been using the barrels from John at WOA. I wouldn't mind doing another buy on these, but last ones took about 14 weeks to get. I had a few folks back out since i was originally quoted 8 weeks. Not Johns fault as he is backlogged like everyone else, its just an fyi on timeframe.

Yes you take 6.8 brass and fl size them with the 6woa dies and thats it. I am getting tremendous accuracy out of mine all the way out to 600yds. 75gr amax at 3200 fps.
 
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Scottmilk9...
I'm interested but can't contact you, your PM box is full and no luck with the phone # on your site, how do we get a hold of you?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scottmilk9</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've made 22 and 24 inch barrels and been using the barrels from John at WOA. I wouldn't mind doing another buy on these, but last ones took about 14 weeks to get. I had a few folks back out since i was originally quoted 8 weeks. Not Johns fault as he is backlogged like everyone else, its just an fyi on timeframe.

Yes you take 6.8 brass and fl size them with the 6woa dies and thats it. I am getting tremendous accuracy out of mine all the way out to 600yds. 75gr amax at 3200 fps. </div></div>

Thank you for the response, I will be trying to contact you on the # or maybe submitting an order form with some notes. Sounds like the 90-100 gr bullets could work as well, just out of curiosity, what do you all think you could do with this setup from 600-1000? I'm looking at it mostly for tactical type matches/shooting.


not gonna lie the 6mm world is a bit unfamiliar to me. I know .243/6br/6 dasher will wreak havoc at some distance, but with some loss of velocity I don't know, maybe 1k is little out of reach to do consistently? What do you all think?

Oh, forgot, a little wait won't scare me away!
 
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guys, I apologize I should have asked you to email me. I'm in and out of the office so much and when I'm in there, my cell doesn't get good reception. I always answer emails very quickly as I have it on my phone. Sorry for the mixup.