So I have always heard not to fire a weapon with out it having a bullet in the chamber. However I was reading a how to on shooting at this site.. www.jarheadtop.com and he says to practice your trigger pull by dry firing up to hundreds of times. Now on an AR based rifle or any weapon for that matter does this cause damage to the gun or not?
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Re: Dry firing
Short answer, for a center fire rifle, no.
Rimfires generally shouldn't be dry fired.
Short answer, for a center fire rifle, no.
Rimfires generally shouldn't be dry fired.
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former0302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Short answer, for a center fire rifle, no.
Rimfires generally shouldn't be dry fired. </div></div>
^ this. Same for pistols. It's good practice. A hide member came up with the indoor optical training aid so you can practice maintaining alignment and trigger manipulation inside at close distances.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former0302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Short answer, for a center fire rifle, no.
Rimfires generally shouldn't be dry fired. </div></div>
^ this. Same for pistols. It's good practice. A hide member came up with the indoor optical training aid so you can practice maintaining alignment and trigger manipulation inside at close distances.
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SlowNoisyDeadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former0302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Short answer, for a center fire rifle, no.
Rimfires generally shouldn't be dry fired. </div></div>
^ this. Same for pistols. It's good practice. A hide member came up with the indoor optical training aid so you can practice maintaining alignment and trigger manipulation inside at close distances. </div></div>
OK,thanks guys. That is what I thought. What is this optical training?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SlowNoisyDeadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: former0302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Short answer, for a center fire rifle, no.
Rimfires generally shouldn't be dry fired. </div></div>
^ this. Same for pistols. It's good practice. A hide member came up with the indoor optical training aid so you can practice maintaining alignment and trigger manipulation inside at close distances. </div></div>
OK,thanks guys. That is what I thought. What is this optical training?
Re: Dry firing
Google "Indoor Optical Training Aid." 8541 Tactical did a review of it. Essentially it's a scope-cap with a small lens in it with a very, very close focus; optics aren't my forte so I'm forgetting the more technical word. Basically, it allows you to focus your scope on a target about 10' away; hence, you can hang a piece of thread or a push-pin, or any other small object, and use that as your aiming point for dry-firing, thus seeing exactly how much play there is in your natural point of aim, as well as your trigger squeeze. Essentially dry-firing practice, but with a fantastically accurate idea of scope picture and firearm movement.
As long as your rifle has a firing pin that is captured (essentially all modern centerfire rifles), dry-fire to your hearts content. You'll save boatloads of money on ammunition.
My personal favorite is to take a toothpick and leave it dangling in a window screen; from about 40ft, on very low magnification, I've got a great target, and man oh man did I rethink my position after a few hours of that.
Google "Indoor Optical Training Aid." 8541 Tactical did a review of it. Essentially it's a scope-cap with a small lens in it with a very, very close focus; optics aren't my forte so I'm forgetting the more technical word. Basically, it allows you to focus your scope on a target about 10' away; hence, you can hang a piece of thread or a push-pin, or any other small object, and use that as your aiming point for dry-firing, thus seeing exactly how much play there is in your natural point of aim, as well as your trigger squeeze. Essentially dry-firing practice, but with a fantastically accurate idea of scope picture and firearm movement.
As long as your rifle has a firing pin that is captured (essentially all modern centerfire rifles), dry-fire to your hearts content. You'll save boatloads of money on ammunition.
My personal favorite is to take a toothpick and leave it dangling in a window screen; from about 40ft, on very low magnification, I've got a great target, and man oh man did I rethink my position after a few hours of that.
Re: Dry firing
Here's the thread on the IOTA: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2908854&page=1
(I have one, it's great)
Here's the thread on the IOTA: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2908854&page=1
(I have one, it's great)
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DoctorBen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Google "Indoor Optical Training Aid." 8541 Tactical did a review of it. Essentially it's a scope-cap with a small lens in it with a very, very close focus; optics aren't my forte so I'm forgetting the more technical word. Basically, it allows you to focus your scope on a target about 10' away; hence, you can hang a piece of thread or a push-pin, or any other small object, and use that as your aiming point for dry-firing, thus seeing exactly how much play there is in your natural point of aim, as well as your trigger squeeze. Essentially dry-firing practice, but with a fantastically accurate idea of scope picture and firearm movement.
As long as your rifle has a firing pin that is captured (essentially all modern centerfire rifles), dry-fire to your hearts content. You'll save boatloads of money on ammunition.
My personal favorite is to take a toothpick and leave it dangling in a window screen; from about 40ft, on very low magnification, I've got a great target, and man oh man did I rethink my position after a few hours of that. </div></div>
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it a lot. two things though.. However any practice I can do I feel will add to my skill level...
(1) I am using Peep sight style iron sights
(2) It is a rim fire .22
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DoctorBen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Google "Indoor Optical Training Aid." 8541 Tactical did a review of it. Essentially it's a scope-cap with a small lens in it with a very, very close focus; optics aren't my forte so I'm forgetting the more technical word. Basically, it allows you to focus your scope on a target about 10' away; hence, you can hang a piece of thread or a push-pin, or any other small object, and use that as your aiming point for dry-firing, thus seeing exactly how much play there is in your natural point of aim, as well as your trigger squeeze. Essentially dry-firing practice, but with a fantastically accurate idea of scope picture and firearm movement.
As long as your rifle has a firing pin that is captured (essentially all modern centerfire rifles), dry-fire to your hearts content. You'll save boatloads of money on ammunition.
My personal favorite is to take a toothpick and leave it dangling in a window screen; from about 40ft, on very low magnification, I've got a great target, and man oh man did I rethink my position after a few hours of that. </div></div>
Thanks for the info. I appreciate it a lot. two things though.. However any practice I can do I feel will add to my skill level...
(1) I am using Peep sight style iron sights
(2) It is a rim fire .22
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mister Ouchie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's the thread on the IOTA: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2908854&page=1
(I have one, it's great) </div></div>
Thanks for the link. I willdefinately investin one once I obtain a scope..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mister Ouchie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's the thread on the IOTA: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2908854&page=1
(I have one, it's great) </div></div>
Thanks for the link. I willdefinately investin one once I obtain a scope..
Re: Dry firing
OK, this may sound like hopes and dreams. But with the countless tips on breathing and trigger pull to correct gun positions that I have read on this site as well as in books. In the last 2(TWO) days while applying this knowledge I have done the following. I have gone from a 1~" group to now being able to basically hit any of the points where the circles on the target intersect with the verticle and or horizontal lines. Let me explain my practicing and hopefully this practice method will translate to my real gun trigger pull ability. For the last 3 or so hours I have been practicing in my home with my G&G Combat Machine AK 47 (Airsoft Gun) I will post pics of the improvements I have made. But even though it is only airsoft I have seen a drastic improvement in my manipulation of the trigger as well as the rifle. Trigger pull practice is trigger pull practice and tomorrow I'll be going to the range hopefully to see if it has translated to my .22LR AR based gun. The biggest things that have helped me and my groupings so far are focusing on the front center post as well as maintaining constant lung pressure on my second exhale.. Your tips and info have takin me from 1+" groupings to BB on BB accuracy.. Thanks to those who have helpped with my questions and thanks to those who will help in the future. Sorry for the long post. For those wondering why I am practicing with airsoft. I didn't feel comfortable dry firing my real gun and also my ammo is unlimited and I can see a POI.. Thanks again..
OK, this may sound like hopes and dreams. But with the countless tips on breathing and trigger pull to correct gun positions that I have read on this site as well as in books. In the last 2(TWO) days while applying this knowledge I have done the following. I have gone from a 1~" group to now being able to basically hit any of the points where the circles on the target intersect with the verticle and or horizontal lines. Let me explain my practicing and hopefully this practice method will translate to my real gun trigger pull ability. For the last 3 or so hours I have been practicing in my home with my G&G Combat Machine AK 47 (Airsoft Gun) I will post pics of the improvements I have made. But even though it is only airsoft I have seen a drastic improvement in my manipulation of the trigger as well as the rifle. Trigger pull practice is trigger pull practice and tomorrow I'll be going to the range hopefully to see if it has translated to my .22LR AR based gun. The biggest things that have helped me and my groupings so far are focusing on the front center post as well as maintaining constant lung pressure on my second exhale.. Your tips and info have takin me from 1+" groupings to BB on BB accuracy.. Thanks to those who have helpped with my questions and thanks to those who will help in the future. Sorry for the long post. For those wondering why I am practicing with airsoft. I didn't feel comfortable dry firing my real gun and also my ammo is unlimited and I can see a POI.. Thanks again..
Re: Dry firing
I can tell you that dry fire has improved my shooting greatly. When I go to the range and get all setup the first thing I do is dry fire 5-10 times before sending a round down range. Everyone at the range looks at me like I've lost my mind
I can tell you that dry fire has improved my shooting greatly. When I go to the range and get all setup the first thing I do is dry fire 5-10 times before sending a round down range. Everyone at the range looks at me like I've lost my mind
Re: Dry firing
dry firing is a basic necessity in rifle marksmanship, go to a highpower match and watch them guys dry fire for a while, even Fclass shooters do it.
dry firing is a basic necessity in rifle marksmanship, go to a highpower match and watch them guys dry fire for a while, even Fclass shooters do it.
Re: Dry firing
My rifles and pistols are tools to help me become a better shooter. I'm not worried about wearing them out. I have spent a lot of money on ammo, barrels, and glass. The price for me to replace a worn out/broken part is very small compared to the amount of ammo that I have purchased over the years. I dry fire every rifle and pistol that I own. I also have extra bolts and firing pins in my parts kit. By practicing the fundamentals of shooting over and over again though dry firing until they are natural, it helps me as a shooter. The less that I have to think about while making my wind calls the better.
My rifles and pistols are tools to help me become a better shooter. I'm not worried about wearing them out. I have spent a lot of money on ammo, barrels, and glass. The price for me to replace a worn out/broken part is very small compared to the amount of ammo that I have purchased over the years. I dry fire every rifle and pistol that I own. I also have extra bolts and firing pins in my parts kit. By practicing the fundamentals of shooting over and over again though dry firing until they are natural, it helps me as a shooter. The less that I have to think about while making my wind calls the better.
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tac22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I looked atthe mechanics of my rifle ( Rim Fire) What isit that would be potentially harmed by repeated dry firing? </div></div>
As the rimfire pistols and rifles strike the case on the rim- which is the are supported by the face of the barrel/breach, taking the rim away means the firing pin will strike the metal which the rim would have been otherwise sitting on. This can result in broken firing pins, mushroomed out firing pins or peened out metal on the breach face. With centerfire firearms, you don't experience this problem.
I'm 99% sure they make .22 dummy rounds which can act as snap caps until the plastic is too beat up. But that does mean reloading the magazine and what not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tac22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I looked atthe mechanics of my rifle ( Rim Fire) What isit that would be potentially harmed by repeated dry firing? </div></div>
As the rimfire pistols and rifles strike the case on the rim- which is the are supported by the face of the barrel/breach, taking the rim away means the firing pin will strike the metal which the rim would have been otherwise sitting on. This can result in broken firing pins, mushroomed out firing pins or peened out metal on the breach face. With centerfire firearms, you don't experience this problem.
I'm 99% sure they make .22 dummy rounds which can act as snap caps until the plastic is too beat up. But that does mean reloading the magazine and what not.
Re: Dry firing
I'm thinking that you could use empty .22 cases in a pinch. Be a pain loading, but would work.
What do you guys think about "dry fire practice" using my fireform loads (no bullets)?
I'm thinking that you could use empty .22 cases in a pinch. Be a pain loading, but would work.
What do you guys think about "dry fire practice" using my fireform loads (no bullets)?
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dry firing is a basic necessity in rifle marksmanship</div></div>
Olympic rifle gold medalist Lanny Bassham would dry fire five hours a day. He did this for years. He tells the story that one year he could only make it to a range for live fire once or twice because of work requirements, but he dry fired every day. He won the National Championship that year.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dry firing is a basic necessity in rifle marksmanship</div></div>
Olympic rifle gold medalist Lanny Bassham would dry fire five hours a day. He did this for years. He tells the story that one year he could only make it to a range for live fire once or twice because of work requirements, but he dry fired every day. He won the National Championship that year.
Re: Dry firing
I think that dry firing is like kissing your Sister.
Squeezing a trigger and kissing a girl should should (ultimately and logically) each end with a bang; and your Sister just isn't the right real estate for that sorta activity.
I don't dry fire. I shoot rimfire for practice.
If I were planning on doing my 'real' rifle shooting indoors, maybe dry firing would make more sense <span style="font-style: italic">for me</span>. I don't, and it doesn't.
Greg
I think that dry firing is like kissing your Sister.
Squeezing a trigger and kissing a girl should should (ultimately and logically) each end with a bang; and your Sister just isn't the right real estate for that sorta activity.
I don't dry fire. I shoot rimfire for practice.
If I were planning on doing my 'real' rifle shooting indoors, maybe dry firing would make more sense <span style="font-style: italic">for me</span>. I don't, and it doesn't.
Greg
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that dry firing is like kissing your Sister.
Squeezing a trigger and kissing a girl should should (ultimately and logically) each end with a bang; and your Sister just isn't the right real estate for that sorta activity.
I don't dry fire. I shoot rimfire for practice.
If I were planning on doing my 'real' rifle shooting indoors, maybe dry firing would make more sense <span style="font-style: italic">for me</span>. I don't, and it doesn't.
Greg</div></div>
Dry fire has nothing to do with a bang. Dry fire improves manipulations and gun handling in a way that no amount of live fire could. Worrying about a bang and where the round impacted the target distracts us from whether we are executing the fundamentals correctly. The best shooters in every single competitive shooting sport dry fire for hours .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that dry firing is like kissing your Sister.
Squeezing a trigger and kissing a girl should should (ultimately and logically) each end with a bang; and your Sister just isn't the right real estate for that sorta activity.
I don't dry fire. I shoot rimfire for practice.
If I were planning on doing my 'real' rifle shooting indoors, maybe dry firing would make more sense <span style="font-style: italic">for me</span>. I don't, and it doesn't.
Greg</div></div>
Dry fire has nothing to do with a bang. Dry fire improves manipulations and gun handling in a way that no amount of live fire could. Worrying about a bang and where the round impacted the target distracts us from whether we are executing the fundamentals correctly. The best shooters in every single competitive shooting sport dry fire for hours .
Re: Dry firing
Dry firing builds correct muscle memory, which leads to unconscious competence in the fundamentals. The result (ideally) will be to free your attention when live firing, which will enable you to spend your conscious memory on things other than the fundamentals - like spotting your shot, or correcting for a follow-up shot, or avoiding being shot.
Dry firing builds correct muscle memory, which leads to unconscious competence in the fundamentals. The result (ideally) will be to free your attention when live firing, which will enable you to spend your conscious memory on things other than the fundamentals - like spotting your shot, or correcting for a follow-up shot, or avoiding being shot.
Re: Dry firing
Of course you're both right. Dry fire is both beneficial and essential to superior marksmanship. I just like the positive feedback a round ontarget provides.
BTW, nice website, TS.
I was just trying for a little subtle humor. Obviously I missed that target too. I've been doing a lot of that this particular weekend.
Greg
Of course you're both right. Dry fire is both beneficial and essential to superior marksmanship. I just like the positive feedback a round ontarget provides.
BTW, nice website, TS.
I was just trying for a little subtle humor. Obviously I missed that target too. I've been doing a lot of that this particular weekend.
Greg
Re: Dry firing
yup dont dryfire your rimfire rifles on an empty chamber, use a snap cap. MAKE SURE ITS A SNAP CAP.
Centerfires are good to go unless specifically noted.
that said people do dryfire their rimfires. I think they are foolish and I never do it.
yup dont dryfire your rimfire rifles on an empty chamber, use a snap cap. MAKE SURE ITS A SNAP CAP.
Centerfires are good to go unless specifically noted.
that said people do dryfire their rimfires. I think they are foolish and I never do it.
Re: Dry firing
Dry fire is good practice. So is live fire practice. But it helps to save ammunition and develops good technique when you dry fire before sending any loaded ammo down range.
Dry fire is good practice. So is live fire practice. But it helps to save ammunition and develops good technique when you dry fire before sending any loaded ammo down range.
Re: Dry firing
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sledge1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm thinking that you could use empty .22 cases in a pinch. Be a pain loading, but would work.
What do you guys think about "dry fire practice" using my fireform loads (no bullets)?
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Did anyone answer this?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sledge1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm thinking that you could use empty .22 cases in a pinch. Be a pain loading, but would work.
What do you guys think about "dry fire practice" using my fireform loads (no bullets)?
</div></div>
Did anyone answer this?
Re: Dry firing
I saw some sort of laser training dry fire setup a while back that seemed real interesting.
I saw some sort of laser training dry fire setup a while back that seemed real interesting.
Re: Dry firing
Get some Snap Caps for dry firing. I usually dry fire twice before shooting live ammo when I go to the range. Just to remind my fingers of what the trigger feels like so that I can be ready for the real deal.
Get some Snap Caps for dry firing. I usually dry fire twice before shooting live ammo when I go to the range. Just to remind my fingers of what the trigger feels like so that I can be ready for the real deal.
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