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308 at 1 mile

JNel

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May 25, 2007
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Out in the area that we shoot, we found an old race car that someone cut up and left. They cut off the roof of the car. I decided to paint it white and set it up 1 mile away. We shot our regular targets (300 to 1075 yards) before we moved over to 1760 yards.

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Using Exbal ballistics calculator my DOPE called for 27.6 Mils of elevation and 2.2 Mils windage for 5 MPH at 1750 Yards. My 700 PSS has a 3X10 Leupold that I can dial up 17.6 Mils. The TMR reticle has a 10 Mil hash mark, so I used them in conjunction to achieve the prescribed DOPE.

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<span style="font-style: italic">No zoom picture from shooting area.</span>

I lined my rifle up with the target, and dialed in 17.6 mils elev. and 3 mils left for a 5-8 mph wind. With 3 spotters behind me I hoped someone would be able to help walk me in on target. I was not sure if my 175 gr SMK bullet would ever be able to get close since it goes subsonic at 1300 yards. If it did, I expected a key hole thru the sheet metal indicating my bullet’s severe drop at that range. With everyone ready I sent 1 round down range. “No call” I hear. “I can see some trace going out, but none close to the target or splash” says one of the spotters. I deiced to hold a ½ mil lower on the next shot, and let fly. “No Call” I hear again.
Round #3, I hold 1 mil higher than the last shot. “Ready” I call out. “Send it” replies one of the spotters.
“Nothing” I hear, then “Wait a minute, your 2 mils right and ½ mil low!” I don’t think anyone expected the round to take so long to get there. (At 1750 Exbal had my TTT or bullet at a flight time of 3.57 seconds!) I dial 2 more mils left and hold about a half mil up. (The wind did not pick up that much, I have been wondering if this could have been due to spin drift and the Coriolis Effect.)
I squeeze off shot # 4 with high hopes. To my surprise, a few seconds later I see a splash in the dirt just low and right of the target thru my 10x scope. The spotters confirm this.
I load round #5 and hold slightly higher and left edge of the target. “Ready”…”Send it”...BANG. “No call” says one of the spotters. Another says “I think I seen dirt fly out from behind the target”. We were unable to verify hits on the sheet metal target from 1 mile away. Unlike the white AR 500 plates that ring out and leave a big black mark where the bullet disintegrates on them, the bullet goes right thru the sheet metal. The only way we were going to verify a hit was to go out to the target.
Not wanting to put all my hopes into 1 shot I decide to load 5 more rounds and send them down range using the same hold. My aim is now 28.5 mils or 1805 inches high and 5.3 mils or 322 inches left of the 1 mile target.
The next 2 rounds are the same thing. No positive confirmation, but no indication of a miss either. Round #8 is called a miss just right of the target. #9 is the same as 5, 6, and 7 no confirmation. # 10 is a miss off the right edge again visible in the dirt with a healthy splash.
Wondering if I had hit the target at all, I load up a few more rounds to see if we can get any consistency. I hold top right edge of the target with anticipation of seeing my bullets splash to the right of the target. Out of 5 rounds we saw 4 splashes in the dirt an area about as big as a Honda Civic. No call on the 5th. Seeing that there was some consistency I was fairly certain I hit the target at least once.

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<span style="font-style: italic">Looking thru the Leupold spotting scope at our 1 mile target.</span>

My friend and I jumped on our ATV’s and began the long, non-direct ride to the target. Arriving at the target we found 4 new bullet holes in the sheet metal. I was very surprised to see they were round holes, and not the oval holes I had expected. Heck, I was surprised I was able to even hit it at all!

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<span style="font-style: italic">2 of us rode ATV’s down to the target to inspect it.</span>

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<span style="font-style: italic">Me pointing at one of the hits for the guys spotting.</span>

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<span style="font-style: italic">308 Win. strikes from 1 mile.</span>
 
Re: 308 at 1 mile

That's pretty neat!

I've shot the 208 AMax out to a mile from the 308, MV of 2600 fps. At 4500' el, 70F, it took right at 90 moa (about 26.2 mils).
 
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Wow 3.5 seconds, that a long time to wait. Pretty cool, long range shooting a kick.
Nice shooting,
 
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my shooting buddy once said, how many times do you have to wait for the bullet to get there? He shoots a 308 also. He`s hit about 1400yds with his. Nice shooting.
 
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Thats really cool, what kind of load are you using? its really impressive to me for a bullet to stay so stable while subsonic for a long time, thats a great bullet right there!
 
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I scored a 3rd round hit with my 308 on an AR500 steel plate at 1 mile at Thunder Valley two weeks ago.

My hold was 31mrad up, 6.5mrad left. Strelok predicted 31.8mrad up, and TOF of 4 seconds.

I have a premier 5-25, and I had to dial back to ~12 power to expose enough reticle for the hold over (I dialed 19mrad on the turret). I had PLENTY of time to take the shot, have good follow through, then zoom in to 25 power to watch for impact.

Unfortunately, I tried another 10 rounds or so without a followup hit. They were all damn close though.
 
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338LM at a mile is hard enough, or even futile enough, leave alone 308. It's just random bombing of the target area.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cali_tz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> It's just random bombing of the target area. </div></div>

Now that's funny, but it's still fun.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's pretty neat!

I've shot the 208 AMax out to a mile from the 308, MV of 2600 fps. At 4500' el, 70F, it took right at 90 moa (about 26.2 mils). </div></div>

That's what I use with my 5r 308 to get a mile, Mine is anywhere from 83-85 moa.

Best ive done is 4 in a row on 24x24 steel with very little to no wind


Great shooting op
 
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4 consecutive hits on 24x24 steel at a mile is impressive with a 308.

The 208 is an excellent bullet, and the 5R is twisted a little tighter than my 1/12 Rem Varmint bbls too. I believe a bit more twist helps when the bullet is getting into transonic speeds.
 
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The 208 is an excellent bullet, and the 5R is twisted a little tighter than my 1/12 Rem Varmint bbls too. I believe a bit more twist helps when the bullet is getting into transonic speeds.</div></div>

It helps but not as much as most think. The 208 is a very transition tolerant bullet and does well down through the sound barrier and into subsonic from anything I've shot it from. Your experience with them in the -06 turned me onto them and since then I've been messing with the bullet ever since, it's an excellent projectile.
 
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Yes the 208 AMax does seem to transition pretty good, at least at local elevation.

I did some shooting with the 208s in a 1/12 308 Win a few years back out to 1800-1850-ish yards. At the time, RL17 was not out yet, and I was loading with RL15 to 2480 fps. From the 1/12 twist Rem bbl, Bullets were hitting point-on. That was at about 4500' elevation.

This summer I might try to put together some 308 at 1 mile video, just for entertainment value.
 
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The longest I've hit with them was 1740yd (at TVP) and the conditions were right about 0' DA. The wind ate my ass alive, but the group of dirt splashes was about 1.5 MOA tall and 6 MOA across.
 
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Looks like I could put getting the .50 bmg on hold and continue reaching out with my .308, lol!

That is amazing!

Great shooting and thank for sharing!
 
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Thanks Montana

How did your brass hold up to shooting the 208's?

It killed my hornady brass, the primer pockets opened up after 1 to 2 firings with them. I never tried my lapua brass because Its to expensive to be throwing it away that fast.

Another thing I noticed was how quick the barrel would heat up.

Btw my barrel just went out (apx 4-4500 rnds) so im waiting for my new one to come in.
 
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I haven't seen any unusual wear on the brass.

My load is 50gr RL17, Winchester brass, moly'd 208, CCI 200 primer, 3.00" oal.

This load gets 2600 fps from a 20.5" Rem varmint barrel with a few thousand rounds through it.


My other 308, almost same load info except only 49gr RL17, and 2680 fps from 26" Rem varmint barrel. It's a newer barrel, and 50gr charge was showing a little ejector swipe.
 
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Gee according to most of the "snipers" on here the .308 is only good to 800 meters. LMFAO
 
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I can send a .22LR bullet a mile downrange, and with good dope calculations and a precision rest with TONS of elevation adjustment, I can probably hit a car with it.

Is it an effective anti-personnel weapon?

Is the .308 an effective sniping tool past 800 yards? Past 1000 yards? Past 1200 yards? How about 1760 yards?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee according to most of the "snipers" on here the .308 is only good to 800 meters. LMFAO </div></div>

thats for consistant hits.

Although, this Mile shot he did is very impressive
 
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Now for some 1mi. shots into ballistic gel.

If he were shooting at me at 1 mile I'd be ducking and runnin for cover!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee according to most of the "snipers" on here the .308 is only good to 800 meters. LMFAO </div></div>

thats for consistant hits.

Although, this Mile shot he did is very impressive </div></div>


I would think the shooter has more to do with consistent hits than the caliber...just a thought
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I think 800 meters is a sensible "effective range" for military purposes. Considering severe conditions in various climes and places.

Stretching a 308 to a mile is a lot of fun, but conditions have to be pretty good to make it happen.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SLED Sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats pretty nasty for .308 man. how long did the bullet travel before impact? </div></div>


1 mile.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MontanaMarine</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't seen any unusual wear on the brass.

My load is 50gr RL17, Winchester brass, moly'd 208, CCI 200 primer, 3.00" oal.

This load gets 2600 fps from a 20.5" Rem varmint barrel with a few thousand rounds through it.


My other 308, almost same load info except only 49gr RL17, and 2680 fps from 26" Rem varmint barrel. It's a newer barrel, and 50gr charge was showing a little ejector swipe. </div></div>


I need to try some RL17. Ive been using varget for all my .308 loads , my Load for the 208 was 43.7 in horndady match brass, cci 200, with 0al 2.975 and it was slightly compressed. I got some ejector marks too but nothing bad enough to make me stop lol.

I dont think shooting a 308 a mile is practical, but when its all you have at your disposal is fun to make hits at a mile with anything imo.

Im working on building a 7mm saum for the longer stuff so I wont have to push my 308 so hard anymore.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K9-</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would think the shooter has more to do with consistent hits than the caliber...just a thought
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Right up until the bullet goes transonic...

Which for the .308 with the right bullet and barrel (as in 30" barrel launching 180 gr bullets) can be 1200 yards out (or more.) More common loads fired through more common barrels might not reach that far without suffering the effects of transonic instability.
 
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K9, shoot a 338/408 and a 308 side by side at one mile and you will no longer believe it's all about the shooter.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">K9, shoot a 338/408 and a 308 side by side at one mile and you will no longer believe it's all about the shooter. </div></div>

agreed. he fired 15 rounds with 4 impacts on target, yes impressive skill with a 308 and i'm hard pressed to believe anyone could do much better at a mile with a 308, but that is less then 30% on a large target, my guess is had he used a different caliber with better long range capabilities demonstrating the skill he used with a 308 he would have had a higher hit percentage. there are different calibers for different reasons and logically speaking the 308 was never intended to be the best 1760 yard machine. good shooting brother.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lockback</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">K9, shoot a 338/408 and a 308 side by side at one mile and you will no longer believe it's all about the shooter. </div></div>

agreed. he fired 15 rounds with 4 impacts on target, yes impressive skill with a 308 and i'm hard pressed to believe anyone could do much better at a mile with a 308, but that is less then 30% on a large target, my guess is had he used a different caliber with better long range capabilities demonstrating the skill he used with a 308 he would have had a higher hit percentage. there are different calibers for different reasons and logically speaking the 308 was never intended to be the best 1760 yard machine. good shooting brother. </div></div>

I think it could be done better. The biggest problem we had was not being able to see hits and some of the misses. It sucks to hear "no call" from the spotter. If we had a white steel plate or camera system we could direct our fire better. Also it would of helped to have a bigger dirt area to see the splash from the misses.

The shooter after me had a custom 300 R.U.M. slinging a 220 gr SMK, he went 4/9 partially due to "no call". Therefore we had the "random bombing of the target area" even with a gun better for ELR than the 308.

I did 1760 just for shits and giggles. A grand seems to be hard enough for me with my 308. I personally consider the <span style="font-weight: bold">effective range</span> of me and my 308 600 yards in ideal conditions.
 
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JNel, that is outstanding shooting with a 308, also If you have an impact area with rocks, dirt, etc I had rather shoot at a small aiming point such as a rock or a small steel target with no backing. Targets with large penetrable backing causes hits to be no calls.

My prior post was meant only to bring attention to the comparative capabilities of different cartridges. I also suspect I am not telling most of the folks reading these post anything they didn't already know.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My prior post was meant only to bring attention to the comparative capabilities of different cartridges. I also suspect I am not telling most of the folks reading these post anything they didn't already know. </div></div>

No worries Augustus. We had a 6.5 X 284 benchrest rifle out with us. He didn't shoot a mile, but was 100 % on everything. Flat trajectory and quick TOF, impresive as hell, it seemed to be a laser.
 
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Depending on whether or not you have cover -- a couple of your mates could get halfway (or closer) to the target but offset off the gun-target line to spot with their spotter scopes -- then relay back (if you have cell phone bars) where the hits and misses are. Same as military indirect fire spotting technique.

Saturday I took my neighbor and my buddy who brought his brother and son out to shoot to 1500 yards with a bunch of guns including a .338 Lapua Barret 98B and a TRG-42 on AR500 E-types. The mirage was so heavy we couldn't get good holds and could barely hear the hits.

Good job with the .308.
 
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All I want to know is what your avatar is saying.

I think she is saying she wants my johnson.
 
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i wish we had an area around here to try that out. looks like fun and good shooting
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Augustus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">K9, shoot a 338/408 and a 308 side by side at one mile and you will no longer believe it's all about the shooter. </div></div>

I am not so naive as to believe a high b/c magnum caliber will not perform better than a .308. I was merely responding to the notion that 800 yards is the limit to consistent hits with a .308. Furthermore, consistency is everything when placing a bullet down range and there are a high number of people who endorse high b/c magnum loads because they can mask inconsistencies in a shooter's marksmanship abilities. For example, most people would agree that a .308 will out perform a .223 at distance, however, according to an earlier statement, 800 yards is the max range for consistent hits and yet there are many marksmen who consistently place rounds in a 10 ring at 1000 yards with the .223..

A bullet will always go where the shooter places it. The majority of the time, the shooter has a difficulty consistently placing the bullet where he/she wants whether it's a failure to consistently read wind, consistently preloading a bipod, consistently squeeze a trigger with the same consistent breath etc.

My point is, the ability to make consistent hits down range has more to do with the shooter's ability than what caliber they're running down the barrel.


K9-
 
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Awesome shooting i just took my .308 to 2132 yards got 3 hits, that TOF really is something.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eracer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can send a .22LR bullet a mile downrange, and with good dope calculations and a precision rest with TONS of elevation adjustment, I can probably hit a car with it.

Is it an effective anti-personnel weapon?

Is the .308 an effective sniping tool past 800 yards? Past 1000 yards? Past 1200 yards? How about 1760 yards? </div></div>

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Very pressive test. Thanks for sharing.

The longest distance that I shoot just 800 yards with .308 win.


I wanna find some longer range for try some test.