Re: NFA Trust... do it yourself forms... ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: normbal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He may be a great guy, in fact I'm sure he is.
My point is he sees things through an attorneys eyes. Attorneys want you to use an attorney to get a legal opinion on how to wipe your ass these days. Everything to an attorney requires an attorney. They have succeeded in making this such a litigious society that you can't escape it.
I love it when people say everyone's hates an attorney until they need one......except most of the time you only need one because of another attorney!!
In any case, I'm not insulting him personally. I'm a prior law enforcement officer turned business owner and Ive known quite a few attorneys in my day.....even some I wouldn't want to see at the bottom of the Atlantic.
Just as a profession I tend to take everything they say with a grain of salt.
So back to my question, <span style="font-weight: bold">can any legal type here point to a specific case where a persons trust was found invalid and after which the ATF either seized the property or imprisoned the trustee</span>?
Until such time I maintain that any other claim is hyperbole and legal bluster and fear tactics. If I file a proper trust, don't lie or falsify anything, the ATF approves it, I'm not going to jail......regardless of what an attorney says.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">THAT is the big question</span>. There are several attorneys who post over on MDshooters.com, one name of Rusty Shackleford, who INSIST this has happened, but never give specifics. They all want your money. See thread here: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=7074 Contains full text of trust and link to PDF file (formatted for legal size paper).
As a medical doctor, I have my own reasons to mistrust liars. Ahem, LAWyers. (Same thing, different pronunciation) If it were up to lawyers, it would be illegal to buy bandaids and merthiolate for booboos.
I've run three cans through BATFe using a boiler-plate trust with NFA-specific language. My investment partner/lawyer friend says it's legit.
Why pay another $600 for a standard form trust that any first-year law student can (and probably did) cobble together. If NFA branch decides your trust is invalid, for whatever reason, unless your name is Spielberg or Gates, you will not be able to buy enough legal care to get justice (i.e. - keep your ass out of federal prison). ATF lawyers suck at the public teat, their bounty is endless and they work for the DOJ. There isn't, so far as I know, any legal malpractice insurance, or attorneys who sue other attorneys when they malpractice law. If a lawyer fucks up your paperwork, he's not going to take the heat and pay your fines for you.
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Here you go:
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2009/05/batfe-seeks-to-seize-nfa-firea.html
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: normbal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lofty</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He may be a great guy, in fact I'm sure he is.
My point is he sees things through an attorneys eyes. Attorneys want you to use an attorney to get a legal opinion on how to wipe your ass these days. Everything to an attorney requires an attorney. They have succeeded in making this such a litigious society that you can't escape it.
I love it when people say everyone's hates an attorney until they need one......except most of the time you only need one because of another attorney!!
In any case, I'm not insulting him personally. I'm a prior law enforcement officer turned business owner and Ive known quite a few attorneys in my day.....even some I wouldn't want to see at the bottom of the Atlantic.
Just as a profession I tend to take everything they say with a grain of salt.
So back to my question, <span style="font-weight: bold">can any legal type here point to a specific case where a persons trust was found invalid and after which the ATF either seized the property or imprisoned the trustee</span>?
Until such time I maintain that any other claim is hyperbole and legal bluster and fear tactics. If I file a proper trust, don't lie or falsify anything, the ATF approves it, I'm not going to jail......regardless of what an attorney says.</div></div>
<span style="font-weight: bold">THAT is the big question</span>. There are several attorneys who post over on MDshooters.com, one name of Rusty Shackleford, who INSIST this has happened, but never give specifics. They all want your money. See thread here: http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=7074 Contains full text of trust and link to PDF file (formatted for legal size paper).
As a medical doctor, I have my own reasons to mistrust liars. Ahem, LAWyers. (Same thing, different pronunciation) If it were up to lawyers, it would be illegal to buy bandaids and merthiolate for booboos.
I've run three cans through BATFe using a boiler-plate trust with NFA-specific language. My investment partner/lawyer friend says it's legit.
Why pay another $600 for a standard form trust that any first-year law student can (and probably did) cobble together. If NFA branch decides your trust is invalid, for whatever reason, unless your name is Spielberg or Gates, you will not be able to buy enough legal care to get justice (i.e. - keep your ass out of federal prison). ATF lawyers suck at the public teat, their bounty is endless and they work for the DOJ. There isn't, so far as I know, any legal malpractice insurance, or attorneys who sue other attorneys when they malpractice law. If a lawyer fucks up your paperwork, he's not going to take the heat and pay your fines for you.
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Here you go:
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2009/05/batfe-seeks-to-seize-nfa-firea.html