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Genius at work: PMAGs banned

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It's because some Senator in some State that manufactures the Army's aluminum mags pitched a bitch since they probably haven't been spending the max allotted on the last appropriations contract.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's because some Senator in some State that manufactures the Army's aluminum mags pitched a bitch since they probably haven't been spending the max allotted on the last appropriations contract.</div></div> You are probably correct. Dirtbags.
 
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In other news, Sharps rifles is in the running for winning the new weapons bid. Word on the D.C. streets says they don't even need magazines.
 
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Just like one poster mentioned....Its dragon skin all over again!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mac the knife</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure makes Me wonder what they hell they are thinking. </div></div>

Oh, I can tell you what they're thinking, "I wonder what I ate for lunch yesterday?"

These decision-making people at the Pentagon are so seperated from the real-life scenarios and issue that plague soldiers, it's pathetic.

Usually, they would have an investigative team go around, do statistical (sciency-like-stuff) research and eye-witness interviews with soldiers on how well their mag hold up to continued use, reliability, etc. Now, however, these retards at the Pentagon wave their massive, all powerful hands at issues and expect, much like a Greek god would, that the issues just go away.

It's becoming harder and harder to put up with all of this BS. I may not re-up next go around.
 
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I heard it was because the regular PMAGs do not work in the HK-416...
 
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That's just idiotic. I've never had a magazine related stoppage with my pmags. I can't say the same for the aluminum mags; those are junk.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Delfuego</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I heard it was because the regular PMAGs do not work in the HK-416...</div></div>

But only the guys who won't be hurt by this ruling and its breadth of application carry the 416's; and they know damn well what works and doesn't, use what they want, and frankly don't give a damn what any pencil-pushing faggot in the Pentagon says to Big Army because it doesn't apply to them anyway.
 
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I thought about this question when I drove over to Phoenix just now.... I won't say how many troops I passed on my way to the fuel point but what I will say is not one of them had anything other than Pmags. I am not sure if they were issued or personal purchase or what though....

On a side note I had a conversation with a 1SG the other day on a similar subject. The real subject was waste as far as magazines. When I was in Iraq I collected over 400 Aluminum magazines from the dump at Kalsu just on one turnover. He said the situation here is about the same... (Good thing I don't know where the dump is)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CS1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Delfuego</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I heard it was because the regular PMAGs do not work in the HK-416...</div></div>

But only the guys who won't be hurt by this ruling and its breadth of application carry the 416's; and they know damn well what works and doesn't, use what they want, and frankly don't give a damn what any pencil-pushing faggot in the Pentagon says to Big Army because it doesn't apply to them anyway.
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Yep, special operations guys (SEALs, Green berets, OD-D) are part of the president's little black book of funds. They pretty much do as they please.
 
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Does this mean there will be flood of "gently used" polymer mags on the market? I could use a few more PMags/Lancers for the ones I have lost destroyed... LOL!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Matt E.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does this mean there will be flood of "gently used" polymer mags on the market? I could use a few more PMags/Lancers for the ones I have lost destroyed... LOL!

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Its hard to get them out of Country VIA APO due to some dumbs rules.... Haven't figured out why but there is a sign in the PO about any magazines found VIA Xray will have the package turned over to the Mil Police. Kinda retarded if you ask me.
 
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LOL! Now THAT is funny...
Hah! you can't bring your own gear back!?! I thought "Stupid was the Norm" when I was in Durkastan, but they let us bring back our own gear, albeit most of it was in of the shipping connex. I can just see the Navy guy in Kuwait (just who it was not picking on anyone.) telling me to put my flash suppressor or other gear in the "amnesty box". (Didn't happen) But I chose to purchase my own optics and rail system...

They were just starting to try to stop everyone from carrying over a three or four inch fixed blade when I was there. I know we didn't need them...(but in my case it was a Ka-Bar carried by my Dad in Vietnam.) And my buddy's unit was not aloud to use the Mk19 around Anaconda... it was too lethal. I digress, fun times!!!

Sooo, A bunch of PMags stuck over there. I would crush them all rather than give them away. My soapbox and 2c.

Thanks for serving and keeping us safe!
 
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Well i think we learned everything we needed to know in kindergarden.... 2 plus 2 always equals 4, not 3, not 5...... follow the money....Broker might be on to something
 
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I disagree with them banning PMAGs. I have several PMAGs and just ordered some of their new EMAGs (excited to try those out). I am yet to have a failure due to the magazine with my PMAG. My Army issued magazines on the other hand you have to test each one to see if they even work. This action only highlights the corruption and insider trading that is bringing down our great country.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wreaks of bullshit politics.

The PMAG is the best M4 magazine I've used hands down. </div></div>

Ya, maybe campaign contributions went to the wrong party, in the Commander-in-Chiefs eyes. Or maybe they're a non-union shop. (Magpul)

I wouldn't put anything past these clowns we have nowadays.
 
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I heard they cracked when dipped in deet and suffered damaged feedlips at -60F when exposed to harsh use/ abuse.

Which I think is hilarious, on account of how aluminum mag feed lips can be damaged from harsh use at room temp, and also given the fact that infantry guys aren't issued enough deet to dip a magazine in, and would not dip their mags in deet anyway.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: vwhugger</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wreaks of bullshit politics.

The PMAG is the best M4 magazine I've used hands down. </div></div>

Ya, maybe campaign contributions went to the wrong party, in the Commander-in-Chiefs eyes. Or maybe they're a non-union shop. (Magpul)

I wouldn't put anything past these clowns we have nowadays. </div></div>

Totally agreed. Playing guinea pig with the Army is a recreational activity for the current administration.
 
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Well it might not do any good but since my son is in the 10th Mountain Div in the Scout's I'll be writing my Congressman. This is just ridiculous. I just retired after 28 years as a LTC in the Army Reserves (15 years Active) and just getting more insane.

It has taken us 10 years since the start of the war to get the Army to get off the shelf items that actually work better than the stuff that the Ordnance Dept develops. We can't go back to the days of the Gamma Goat and the and the contract lowest bidder M9 magazines that won't function
 
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This is the same as Dragon Skin. I wasn't kidding about the Appropriations Committee...

Contract Y is issued for up to X amount of dollars. The winning contract then proceeds to fill orders for Y until X amount is reached or until the contract date ends. Now take product Z. Product Z is better, capable, and commercially available but not necessarily contracted. Due to now low demand for product Y and fewer orders coming in as a result, Y begins to complain of lost revenue to Senator John Fucktard who takes campaign contribution from them. Senator Fucktard then goes to the Dept. for whichever branch is not ordering and screams bloody murder and that product Y is somehow inferior as a result of not being "tested" despite the fact it's been used effectively and with probably less incident than product Z in the field. Now the Brass for said Dept issues a broad statement of "Due to issues regarding product Y and despite your own experiences your are now to only use product Z because we know what's best for you from behind our desk at the Pentagon." Of course that statement does not somehow ever apply to SOF because they don't exist so it never happened lol...
 
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Broker nailed it.

Army has new mags. Came out in '10 or '11. They have brown followers and all black follower mags are to be turned in for those immediately, and once the new supply of green follwers is exhausted, those are to be replaced with the brown followers too.

Brownell's, as I understand it, have or had the copyright on it and are or were the sole source.
 
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Gents,
Working with the Rapid Equipping Force for the Army, I assure you that someone did not corner the market or pay off the politicians. The saftey release is issued by the Army's Test and Evaluations Command (ATEC) and items being tested are put through extreme conditions. The Pmags were not any project of mine but I do know that we did equip standard units with them. It take a lot to issue a sole source contract and typically the contracting office has the acquisition officers jump through hoops to make a case on why they should not compete the Statement of Work. ATEC must have had a good reason (albiet silly due to some minor flaw) to issue a negative safety release. It could be function but I would surmise that it probably has something to do with polymer shards inflicting damage to the warfighter when they take a hit, where aluminum does not break up in the same manner. a Brigade commander has the option to use the item at his disgretion.

As for not being able to mail them back, they are considered an ITAR (Internation Traffic in Arms Regulation) item. FYI, just about anything that attaches to a weapons systems, scopes, hand rails, accessories, are ITAR regulated. It has everything to do with governments not wantint those items in their countries unless they purchase them and issue to their armies.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: unluckyjohn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i guess magpul forgot to pay off the politicians </div></div>

hahaha +1. Used Pmags exlusively on my last deployment in 09 and fired about 40k rounds through my m4. Never had a mag related stopage.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chingon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gents,
Working with the Rapid Equipping Force for the Army, I assure you that someone did not corner the market or pay off the politicians. The saftey release is issued by the Army's Test and Evaluations Command (ATEC) and items being tested are put through extreme conditions. The Pmags were not any project of mine but I do know that we did equip standard units with them. It take a lot to issue a sole source contract and typically the contracting office has the acquisition officers jump through hoops to make a case on why they should not compete the Statement of Work. ATEC must have had a good reason (albiet silly due to some minor flaw) to issue a negative safety release. It could be function but I would surmise that it probably has something to do with polymer shards inflicting damage to the warfighter when they take a hit, where aluminum does not break up in the same manner. a Brigade commander has the option to use the item at his disgretion.

As for not being able to mail them back, they are considered an ITAR (Internation Traffic in Arms Regulation) item. FYI, just about anything that attaches to a weapons systems, scopes, hand rails, accessories, are ITAR regulated. It has everything to do with governments not wantint those items in their countries unless they purchase them and issue to their armies. </div></div>

There may not have been a direct pay off like a bribe, but more likley than not, the aluminum magazine manufacturer had a well placed and well paid lobbiest get them what they wanted.

it is dirty politics, we have a commander in chief that learned how politics are played in one of the most corrupt towns in the United States of America.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chingon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gents,
Working with the Rapid Equipping Force for the Army, I assure you that someone did not corner the market or pay off the politicians. The saftey release is issued by the Army's Test and Evaluations Command (ATEC) and items being tested are put through extreme conditions. The Pmags were not any project of mine but I do know that we did equip standard units with them. It take a lot to issue a sole source contract and typically the contracting office has the acquisition officers jump through hoops to make a case on why they should not compete the Statement of Work. ATEC must have had a good reason (albiet silly due to some minor flaw) to issue a negative safety release. It could be function but I would surmise that it probably has something to do with polymer shards inflicting damage to the warfighter when they take a hit, where aluminum does not break up in the same manner. a Brigade commander has the option to use the item at his disgretion.</div></div>

I don't recall using the words bribe or payoff. And are you seriously going to sit there and tell me that Brass does not act on the influence of Politicians? Perhaps you wouldn't mind outlining for us then the procedures for procurement of equipment in the Military because the last time I checked any money spent had to go through and be approved by an appropriations committee....
 
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It does not have to be approved though the appropriations committee, only justified. The Appropriations Committee preforms an audit of all items bought. It does not have the time to review each and every dollar spent. That is the job of the Director of an organization.

As for the bribe or payoff portion, that was not directed at you. It was for others that posted and assumed such.

The high Brass is never interested in saving money, only pushing out new "game changing" technology so they can put their names with the program. I've seen it happen on many such projects becasue it was the brainchild of some three star, only it costs WAY too much to sustain and has no practical use. The Brass calls those project Proofs of Concept and will justify the spending as a "Lessons Learned" excerise.