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Sorting cases by weight

Bob 964

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Tonight I weighed some recently cleaned and prepped (unprimed) Lapua .308 brass and this is what I got. Of the 25 cases I measured:
5 weighed between 170 and 171 grains
11 weighed between 171 and 172 grains
8 weighed between 172 and 173 grains
1 weighed between 173 and 174 grains.

The specific case weights are as follows:

F1 170.80
F2 170.58
F3 171.24
F4 172.44
F5 171.66
1 173.28
2 171.40
3 171.08
4 172.38
5 172.06
6 171.46
7 171.80
8 171.94
9 170.36
10 172.12
11 171.30
12 172.50
13 171.60
14 172.26
15 171.06
16 172.28
17 170.72
18 171.16
19 172.42
20 170.40

For those who segregate your cases by weight, how does this look? What weight ranges do you use to sort/segregate your brass?

Thanks.
Bob
 
Re: Sorting cases by weight

I separate my brass into groups that weigh within 0.5% of the total weight of the brass and then round up and down to the nearest full grain. I don’t really know if doing this has any real world effect on accuracy or chronograph numbers but it gives me piece of mind to think my ammo is the best I can make it.
 
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It's 2 grains. don't think that's going to hurt your accuracy too much. don't overthink it.
 
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Your shooting will improve by spending more time shooting than weighing.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EMorr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I separate my brass into groups that weigh within 0.5% of the total weight of the brass and then round up and down to the nearest full grain. I don’t really know if doing this has any real world effect on accuracy or chronograph numbers but it gives me piece of mind to think my ammo is the best I can make it. </div></div>

Thanks EMorr. Using 0.5% as a standard produces a group of 7 cases. Rounding up to the next whole grain weight includes an additional 8 cases.

Rob01 --- I agree.
 
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I use 100 rd boxes and place them in rows starting with the lighter ones on the left side of the box, I have numbers on the box frm 1 to 10 and I record the weights on a piece of paper and keep it in the ammo box, I haven't really notice a significant difference in velocity or changes in POI shooting out to 600 yds. I do sort the cases & bullets by weight if I am shooting farther than that.
 
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I only weigh and size when seeking extreme accuracy. Otherwise I don't except for maybe to get rid of the extremes
 
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As explained to me by my old gunsmith, who won many . titles.

First, the theory. That most of the weight and the volume difference between one case and another is not in the headstamp, not in the sides or the necks. It is the thickness of the case head. To find out which case heads are thicker and heavier, and which are thinner and lighter, you have to measure them.

Take a number drill that just fits inside the neck, and cut it to length and put a point on one end, flat on the other. It must protrude a small amount so that you can use a dial caliper and measure the distance between the headstamp and the flat part of the drill bit. It doesn't matter which case you use but this will establish a baseline and for purposes of illustration, we can say that it measures 2.500".

Now, you need a long board with lines marked on it, in thousandths. The first case goes in the middle and every case after that will fall either longer or shorter, meaning the web thickness is either more or less than the first one measured. You can measure two hundred and line them up on your board.

When you finish, it no longer matters which was the base line case but you can see the pattern, from thick web to thin web. What I do is; first remove the low five and the high five, or ten? Then I divide the rest (usually) into three or four groups. I mark the groups with a carbide scratch awl on the headstamp. It doesn't matter where the mark is located but it could be on one side of (for instance) 243. So one group would be marked as such, "I243" and the next is marked "243I". If you want to mark more groups, scratch your mark on one side of WW, so it looks like "IWW" and the next group would be, "WWI". So, one mark, strategically placed, can forever identify 40 or 50 cases that have approximately the same volume. You can mix them in the tumbler and load them with identical amounts of powder, but shoot the cases together, and assume the volume and pressure will be about the same....so the theory goes?

This lasts indefinitely. The scratched mark is always visible, years later. What I usually do is mark 40 low and 40 high and 80 cases in the middle. I save to ten lowest and ten highest for testing purposes, whether I happen to be testing powder or bullets, rarely primers. I usually write on the wall which cases are lightest, heaviest, and so on. Works better for me than a piece of paper, I have scribbles all over my loading room walls; all I have to do is find the right one.

Now, is this better than simply measuring weight? I don't know, for sure, but I have been doing it this way for about twenty years and my loads are a lot better than average. This works best for precision bolt, if for a gas gun, I wouldn't bother.

You just have to be sure that your flash hole chamfering tool bottoms out the exact same, every time. It takes a new number drill for every cartridge, of course and you need access to a lathe, to put a point on one end. You can usually find a fractional, number or letter drill that will fit the neck perfectly so that there is no wobble.

So, this is intended to <span style="text-decoration: underline">measure</span> case volume, rather than weigh the cases to determine volume. As I said above, the given is that the case walls and necks are very close to the same, dimensionally, and the thickness of the case head is where <span style="text-decoration: underline">most</span> of the difference lies.

All I can say is, works for me. BB
 
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There is much said on this subject on 6BR.com
You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Why do you weigh? Did someone tell you that was the thing to do?
There is lots of information that will attest to the fact that case weight does not correllate to case capacity. I can post a chart that proves the fact but I am simply too lazy to do so.
There is no way to know where that extra weight is coming from. It may not be in a place that affects the capacity at all. The only way to truly sort cases is by water capacity and that is a root canal for teh clinically insane.

As has been said. Spend your time shooting. Leave the science projects to the lab geeks.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is much said on this subject on 6BR.com
You are making a mountain out of a molehill.
Why do you weigh? Did someone tell you that was the thing to do?
There is lots of information that will attest to the fact that case weight does not correllate to case capacity. I can post a chart that proves the fact but I am simply too lazy to do so.
There is no way to know where that extra weight is coming from. It may not be in a place that affects the capacity at all. The only way to truly sort cases is by water capacity and that is a root canal for teh clinically insane.

As has been said. Spend your time shooting. Leave the science projects to the lab geeks. </div></div>

You're probably right about the mole hill. I weigh because I can. I recently upgraded to the Denver Instruments MXX-123 electronic scale and, having read a number of posts on this forum about sorting cases by weight, I thought I'd give it a try. Everything I have read on the Hide suggests that consistency is a key to accuracy, and having all the cases weigh the same or nearly the same just builds in one more layer of consistency. It takes very little time to do and I can't see how it hurts the overall objective.

Anyway... Thanks everyone for taking the time to respond.
Bob

PS --- I'd love to see the chart.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is another good read:
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/index.php?topic=3761214.30

Matter of fact if you have a couple hours to kill go to 6br and search weight sorting. More guys over there, with more time on their hands than me, to test these theories. </div></div>

Thanks