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F T/R Competition Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

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Is there really anyone in the US that has this classification in the NRA books ?
I am guessing that this would apply to anyone that competes at 800/900/1000yd Approved or Registered matches.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I've come close, but I do not know anyone that achieved this shooting FTR only.
 
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I know my chances of making it there shooting my 223 are against the odds....but even when I look at the scores that folks post for 1k matches, I rarely see anyone (in F T/R) shooting in the upper end of Master for a 60rd match... and that is with the long bbl 308s

maybe my math is wrong ... wouldn't you have to shoot at least a 589 out of 600 in (4) matches to be a High Master ? That's 98% !!
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Actually, 588. But remember that you have to do this over at least 120 shots. That usually means at two different matches.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

High Master, I don't know of any. Master, I personally know of two. I myself am having a hard time getting out of the Expert Class.
 
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Maybe my rulebook is out of date, but table II says 97% = high master for long range and table III says 98.5% = high master for mid range.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I shot with a couple at a match today. They are impressive to watch.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Table II refers to highpower. Go to table III that refers to F class in section 19.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I wish that ratings would differentiate between the two classes.
I don't know anybody. Can you search this on the NRA's site?
Are you gonna build a 308?
I was going to put one together this year, but decided on a 284 instead.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNAFUBAR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BamaAI...where do you shoot 1k F T/R matches ?
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AEDC in Tullahoma, TN. It's the Arnold Air Force Base range. They let a club up there host matches several times a year. Nice mix of civilians, LEO and military shooters. Lots of fun and very relaxed atmosphere. I think the shooters are so good that they just don't mind newbies because they get a kick out of helping them learn. At the last match we had a new guy show up who had no clue what he was doing (I resemble that remark so I don't feel bad saying it). Anyway, he showed up with a 223 and it must have taken 50 rounds to get him on paper. He had two masters in the pit and at least one on the line working together to help this guy get on paper. And I heard at least twice from these guys "we can't let him give up. He'll get discouraged and never try again". Very cool. They finally got him hitting the target and everybody there, 40 something, got a huge thrill out of it. And this was a sanctioned match. No rules broken, no extra time given. Just helping a new shooter along.

Can't praise these these folks from the Warren County Rifle Club enough. And some excellent folks from the Blue and Gray club in north Alabama who always help out at these matches. And no, I'm not a member of either one. Lol
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Mr Kirk...I will probably wait till I shoot the life out of my 223 bbl before I do a LR 308 build
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BamaAl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot with a couple at a match today. They are impressive to watch. </div></div>

Just to clarify, since I was the one running this match, the first-place finisher in F-T/R actually has an "Expert" rating in Long-Range F-Class. She also finished third at Nationals as an "Expert". I think this shows how hard it is to obtain Master or HM classification in LR F-Class while shooting F-T/R. That is why we fully differentiate F-T/R from F-Open when we list the results and award prizes like we did last weekend.

If any of you want to find out more about the matches at AEDC, please send me an e-mail at jimsoko3853 [at] gmail [dot] com with your name and I will put you on our distribution list for future matches and information.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Morpheus</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BamaAl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot with a couple at a match today. They are impressive to watch. </div></div>

Just to clarify, since I was the one running this match, the first-place finisher in F-T/R actually has an "Expert" rating in Long-Range F-Class. She also finished third at Nationals as an "Expert". I think this shows how hard it is to obtain Master or HM classification in LR F-Class while shooting F-T/R. That is why we fully differentiate F-T/R from F-Open when we list the results and award prizes like we did last weekend.

If any of you want to find out more about the matches at AEDC, please send me an e-mail at jimsoko3853 [at] gmail [dot] com with your name and I will put you on our distribution list for future matches and information. </div></div>

My apologies for the error. There were two high masters there and I just found out they didn't have that ranking in F-TR, but rather F Open and Any/Irons.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

no prob Bama .... I have only found a few F/TR shooters that are even in Master Class for 1k (so far).....the rest of us are stuck in Expert.....maybe I need to practice more... or find a less windy range - lol
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

2011 was my first year competing. My first 120 for score I made Expert. My next 120 rounds I made Master... The first 3 matches I was deep in HM territory, but the next match was windy as shit and I only managed a lowish Master score. Ended up missing HM by .04%. The next 60 rounds was HM again. If I had skipped the windy day, I'd have my HM sticker! Oh well, real HMs are HM on ANY day, not just calm ones.

This was with a 5000+ round OEM 24" Savage barrel, a S&B 5-25, and 175smk @ 2675fps.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I'm impressed. Do you shoot 1000yards at Camp Grayling?
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SNAFUBAR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there really anyone in the US that has this classification in the NRA books ?
I am guessing that this would apply to anyone that competes at 800/900/1000yd Approved or Registered matches. </div></div>

Click this link to see a list of 21 of them bastids (HM F-Open) but to your point only ONE F-T/R HM.... all in the same competition.

http://www.bergerbullets.com/SW_Nationals/2012%20F-Open%20Grand%20Agg.pdf
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

This would be a Fullbore classification which is a combination of midrange and long range shot under the Fullbore rules. I am also high master Fullbore.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Well, since others are sharing...let me tell you about my first F-Class match at AEDC. This last match was my second. Until a year ago I had been solely a pistol shooter. I'd done that for about 20 years and hadn't shot a rifle since I was about 9, so about 32 years. Then my step-son wanted to learn to shoot so I bought us a couple of Ruger 10 22s. I got hooked. My step-son, well he likes it but the jury is still out on how much. Lol

Anyway, about 4 months ago I went into my local gun store and told the guy behind the counter I wanted to learn to shoot 1000 yards. Turns out he's a master and coach. So we talk about my budget and he gets me set up with a Savage 11 Long Range Hunter in 308, and a Leupold Mark 4 LRT. A month later I'm at my first 1000 yard match shooting F-TR. I had never shot more than 200 yards before. Can you guess how that went?
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The match was at AEDC and they treated me great! After the first 10 rounds or so, that nobody could figure out where they went, everybody thought it was pretty much hopeless. After about 20 rounds they got me on paper and on the first series I hit the target 4 times. I was ready to go home and they wouldn't let me. The second series I hit the target 16 out of 20 and scored 125. The third series I actually hit the target 20 for 20 and scored 140. Thrilled doesn't begin to cover it!

The next match went even better. No misses at all and scored 176-1, 155-1, and 164-0 on a pretty windy day. Ok, windy to me. Doping the wind is hard!
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I may suck at this point but damn this is fun! And what the heck, I'm riding the short bus but at least I'm not wearing a helmet and licking the windows anymore.
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Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

BamaAl,

My first F-T/R match at 1000 yd wasn't too different than yours. I was doing ok, but the wind came up in the middle of the third match and I dropped 48 points in 6 shots (6, miss, miss, miss, miss, 6) for a disappointing final score of 497/600-3X (180-1X, 172-0X, 145-2X). Next match I brought that up to a 552-7X, and the match after that a 569-11X (which including 3-7s on the last 3 shots...missed another big wind shift). Best part is, like you, I'm getting better and it's much more enjoyable when you have some confidence, are hitting the target, and keeping up with the wind for the most part. Stick with it brother, you're getting there!
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I just started this year myself. I've shot at AEDC twice and Bakley GA once.
Every match I've had one bad relay with the wind, the other two I usually do ok.
Need to get more time on the range and try to get a handle on it.

Can't say I've missed the target any, but have dropped some 7's that I have no idea where they came from.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BamaAl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I may suck at this point but damn this is fun! And what the heck, I'm riding the short bus but at least I'm not wearing a helmet and licking the windows anymore.
grin.gif
</div></div>

This has to be the best quote ever!

KT
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BamaAl</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, since others are sharing...let me tell you about my first F-Class match at AEDC. This last match was my second. Until a year ago I had been solely a pistol shooter. I'd done that for about 20 years and hadn't shot a rifle since I was about 9, so about 32 years. Then my step-son wanted to learn to shoot so I bought us a couple of Ruger 10 22s. I got hooked. My step-son, well he likes it but the jury is still out on how much. Lol

Anyway, about 4 months ago I went into my local gun store and told the guy behind the counter I wanted to learn to shoot 1000 yards. Turns out he's a master and coach. So we talk about my budget and he gets me set up with a Savage 11 Long Range Hunter in 308, and a Leupold Mark 4 LRT. A month later I'm at my first 1000 yard match shooting F-TR. I had never shot more than 200 yards before. Can you guess how that went?
wink.gif


The match was at AEDC and they treated me great! After the first 10 rounds or so, that nobody could figure out where they went, everybody thought it was pretty much hopeless. After about 20 rounds they got me on paper and on the first series I hit the target 4 times. I was ready to go home and they wouldn't let me. The second series I hit the target 16 out of 20 and scored 125. The third series I actually hit the target 20 for 20 and scored 140. Thrilled doesn't begin to cover it!

The next match went even better. No misses at all and scored 176-1, 155-1, and 164-0 on a pretty windy day. Ok, windy to me. Doping the wind is hard!
whistle.gif


I may suck at this point but damn this is fun! And what the heck, I'm riding the short bus but at least I'm not wearing a helmet and licking the windows anymore.
grin.gif
</div></div>


Buhahahahaha helmet and licking the windows
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

To answer the OP's question ... if you check the 2011 F/TR National results you can see a number of HM shooters mentioned ... Jeff Rorer who won it was the first I saw but going down the list there seems to be many.

You can find the results here

http://www.usrifleteams.com/lrforum/index.php?showtopic=13979

Hopefully none members can see them ... if not you may need to join the usrifleteams forum.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

With the 2011 FCNC being a blend of 600 and 1000 yards (midrange and long range), you enter as your highest classification held. Since I am high master at midrange, that is the level I would compete at for the entire competition. I have yet to make high master at long range shooting only FTR.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Yes, I thought it was a little surprising to see myself listed in HM for the entire competition. Especially since there was only one day of mid-range and two days of long range, but I understand why they did that. Thankfully, this year I will be in Expert for the entire competition, since there is no mid-range component.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Do you get classified after your first match?
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

You can shoot based on a temparary classification, but you need 120 shots at that distance (midrange vs long range) to get classified or to move up in classification. Generally, that means two consecutive weekend matches.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I usually miss the F TR HM rating by about 35 points at 1000yds.
LOL
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

The final day of Nationals saw wild conditions, with unpredictable gusty full value winds. Congratulations go to John Weil for a superb performance in difficult conditions Friday, and congratulations to Jeff Rorer, the new F-T/R National Champion. Thanks go to the Liebetrau clan for running another Nationals.

Final Results for F-T/R: (F-Open to follow)

1 JEFF RORER TR HM 449-21 441-15 425-5 1315-41
2 JOHN H WEIL S TR MA 442-15 434-14 432-13 1308-42
3 LAURA PERRY W TR MA 446-20 437-13 424-6 1307-39
4 CHRIS OZOLINS P TR HM 445-21 436-9 424-4 1305-34
5 JOHN CHILTON TR MA 448-26 442-8 413-5 1303-39
6 DARRELL BUELL TR EX 445-23 438-19 417-7 1300-49
7 IAN KLEMM TR EX 444-16 443-20 413-7 1300-43
8 DANIEL POHLABEL S TR EX 445-23 436-13 415-7 1296-43
9 MARK HOUSEMAN TR MA 443-21 436-9 417-5 1296-35
10 MICHELLE GALLAGHER W TR MA 440-18 441-14 411-3 1292-35
11 JOHN HAYHURST TR MA 444-21 437-13 408-5 1289-39
12 PHILIP KELLEY TR EX 441-19 431-6 416-4 1288-29
13 DEREK RODGERS TR HM 443-16 434-11 410-4 1287-31
14 JAMES CROFTS TR HM 440-17 433-6 414-6 1287-29
15 SIERRA SCOTT W TR MA 442-13 434-10 411-1 1287-24
16 STAN PATE TR MA 446-19 428-11 412-10 1286-40
17 MICHAEL SMITH TR MA 437-18 441-10 408-1 1286-29
18 BRAD SAUVE TR MA 444-22 425-10 413-5 1282-37
19 DALE CARPENTER TR MA 439-16 424-7 419-11 1282-34
20 JAMES DIETLEIN S TR MA 442-20 429-10 411-3 1282-33
21 RAYMOND GROSS TR UN 436-13 422-8 422-6 1280-27
22 ALAN BARNHART TR HM 438-18 430-12 410-5 1278-35
23 LUIS ELJAIEK JR TR EX 436-9 426-12 415-4 1277-25
24 WARREN DEAN TR MA 434-13 425-5 417-7 1276-25
25 DONALD MIKE MILLER TR MA 436-9 427-10 413-6 1276-25
26 BOB LORENZ S TR MA 439-15 418-4 419-4 1276-23
27 TOM JONES TR MA 428-8 428-17 419-6 1275-31
28 PAUL PHILLIPS P TR MA 440-17 430-8 405-1 1275-26
29 JOSEPH CONLEY TR MA 440-19 432-10 402-3 1274-32
30 JOHN BARKLEY S TR MA 431-8 429-13 411-9 1271-30
31 JOHN M HARDY TR MA 441-13 422-5 408-3 1271-21
32 K BRYAN BEEM J TR EX 430-10 426-9 414-4 1270-23
33 AARON DUVALL TR EX 440-17 416-6 413-9 1269-32
34 MONTE MILANUK TR HM 437-16 425-8 407-3 1269-27
35 BILL WATTS TR UN 437-14 423-5 409-6 1269-25
36 ALEXANDER WALEWSKI TR MA 442-12 418-6 409-3 1269-21
37 GEORGE TREVOR MCMACKEN TR UN 434-11 422-3 412-2 1268-16
38 RABOSLAW CZUPRYNA TR UN 434-15 414-7 419-11 1267-33
39 TERRY PERKINS TR MA 440-18 416-7 408-7 1264-32
40 DENYS BEAUCHEMIN TR HM 435-18 421-2 406-8 1262-28
41 DAVID ZAFFKE TR HM 433-9 421-10 408-0 1262-19
42 EMIL KOVAN TR HM 436-18 418-7 407-6 1261-31
43 PAUL SCOTT TR MA 433-13 415-6 411-3 1259-22
44 RYAN COKERHAM TR MA 436-13 416-4 406-7 1258-24
45 JEFFREY CALHOON P TR EX 433-10 422-8 401-3 1256-21
46 PATRICK J CAMPBELL TR HM 432-9 413-7 399-3 1244-19
47 KENNETH ORRIS S TR EX 430-8 414-8 395-0 1239-16
48 STEPHEN WINSELMAN TR UN 427-8 419-5 391-3 1237-16
49 DANIEL P LENTZ TR EX 436-13 400-4 400-3 1236-20
50 FRANCIS X CONLON TR EX 429-12 407-2 400-1 1236-15
51 ROBERT R DEPP S TR EX 426-8 406-5 397-1 1229-14
52 STEPHEN SIRACUSA S TR MA 433-7 405-8 389-3 1227-18
53 RICKY BETHKE TR MK 434-13 413-4 378-3 1225-20
54 STEVE ROSSI S TR UN 410-7 415-8 395-9 1220-24
55 DENNIS GREEN S TR EX 431-11 391-5 394-3 1216-19
56 ERVIN MORSE SR TR EX 419-10 422-7 373-3 1214-20
57 GARY ATKINSON TR SS 419-4 401-4 385-3 1205-11
58 KURT KRUG S TR SS 424-7 364-2 353-2 1141-11
59 LANE VAN DE STEEG TR UN 394-6 372-5 373-3 1139-14
60 EMIL PRASLICK III SER TR EX 436-19 431-12 DNF 867-31
61 BRETT STARK TR UN 414-9 388-6 DNF 802-15
This post has been edited by scaxeman: 01 October 2011 - 01:35 PM
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

thanks for posting this usftr....but as Denys mentioned earlier, these are combined ratings for Midrange and Long Range...so the question still stands unanswered....
maybe a list from this year's Nationals will solve the mystery
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Doubtful, there are people shooting F-T/R who got clasified in F-Open. There really is nothing to indicate if a rating was obtained in F-T/R or F-Open.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denys</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doubtful, there are people shooting F-T/R who got clasified in F-Open. There really is nothing to indicate if a rating was obtained in F-T/R or F-Open. </div></div>

This is why the F-Class "classifications" are not particularly useful. In addition to being able to use the same classification interchangeably between F-Open and F-T/R, there will be a huge difference in "average scores" between someone that shoots on a small wind tunnel range regularly, and someone that shoots on some of the more difficult wind ranges available (Ben Avery, Raton, Rattlesnake, etc. etc.)

Perfect case in point is my home range, it's 1000 yards, but tree lined, and generally gentle winds (although some evil vertical!). I have shot a 150-12X at 800 before, and followed up only dropping a few more at 900 and 1000. Could I have done this at Rattlesnake, or Raton... almost assuredly not.

It is for this reason that I generally remove the classifications from the results before I post them (I think the aforementioned clip was one of my posts from Lodi last year). This tends to simplify who the top shooters are at a given match without having to sieve through a bunch of (mainly) superfluous classification separations.

Darrell
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

The only person that i am aware of that was classified HM from FO to F/TR is Derek Rogers. Spoke with him last year in wisconsin and he was telling us his HM story with his win in FCN in 2010 carried over to F/TR. really nice guy.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trevor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only person that i am aware of that was classified HM from FO to F/TR is Derek Rogers. </div></div>

Derek is a spectacular shot with either style of F-Class; Open, or F-T/R. There's a reason he made the 2013 Team!

That said, there are plenty of shooters that shoot both disciplines, it's no fault of their own that separate records aren't kept.

Darrell
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

I will be in Expert until I die, I think. Mystery 6 at 900 yds, in the middle of a string of 9s, 10s, Xs yesterday at Forbes in Albany, NY!! No wind to speak of, either! Meanwhile a Mr. Bock was hammering the x ring next to me....but he did drop a point or two at 1000.
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

Last weekend was my first ever 1000 yd F Class match, and only my 4th ever rifle match. I shoot F-Open but shot an 898-19x...yep Darrell, it was at Rattlensnake. The shotgun anemometer peaked at 42mph for the day, just down the hill. Best we can figure on the range, we got hit with 18-20 full value. I could give a dozen excuses but suffice it to say, I did give up a bullet when I got in a hurry and shot my buddies target!! Rookie mistake! I shoot a 6.5x284 and it made me realize that in the F-open there is no limit on building a rig and there is no amount of $ that can be spent. For this reason, I am kicking the idea to go to F T/R so that in the end, more or less, it is me against another shooter, not me against another shooter and another entirely different rifle. Hope that makes sense. For all those I have contacted since my match, thanks for the information!!

Clint
 
Re: Any Long Range High Master F T/R shooters ?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shep77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last weekend was my first ever 1000 yd F Class match, and only my 4th ever rifle match. I shoot F-Open but shot an 898-19x...yep Darrell, it was at Rattlensnake.</div></div>

Nice!
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Darrell
 
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