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Bolt Gun Cleaning

athanasios23

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How often do you clean your bolt rifle?

I have heard of people cleaning there rifle after every trip to the range and of people who do it after a certain amount of rounds. The reason I am asking is my rifle seems to get more accurate after a few boxes of ammo through it. After cleaning it real well i feel like the accuracy decreases. I have done a few trips to the range inbetween cleanings and the rifle shoots great each time. Maybe its just me but has anyone else experienced this.
 
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I let my rifle tell me that it needs to be cleaned. If I start noticing accuracy degrading then i'll clean the bore. If its starting to have a harder time to lock the bolt in then i'll clean the action. Cleaning is very sensitive to a bolt so I tend to do it as little and less invasive as I can.
 
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How long in between trips. If it will be a while you may want to strip the carbon. Leave the copper fouling.
 
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Except for an occasional (every couple hundred rounds) wet patch down the bore and a slightly more frequent bolt cleaning, I almost never completely clean my bolt guns.

I'm not shooting a bench rifle for cloverleafs or single-hole groups. That would be nice, but impractical for the kind of shooting I do (mostly for fun, 3-4 times a year, steel out to 1,071 yards last weekend, pushing for 2,000 yards now with a .338 LM). Friend I've been shooting with for nearly 15 years once ran a Rem 700 PSS in .308 into the ground, never cleaned it until the trigger jammed up, he turned it over to Ed (now at Central Virginia Tactical) who gave it a good cleaning and when Bill got it back he said it didn't shoot right. He had over 5,000 rounds down that barrel, maybe twice that many. Ed said the barrel rifling was gone for the first 6 inches. That said, Bill frequently shot matches (Allegheny Sniper Challenge, Mayberry, many others) with that gun and won several a year, or at least placed highly enough to keep shooting.

On the other hand, I've been with him on informal "range dates" when his semi autos locked up from lack of cleaning/oiling. Several times.

But clean bolt guns? Not fanatically, not religiously.

Push the envelope of what you're comfortable with, keep your DOPE and see what if anything changes with or without cleaning.

Personally I think it's highly overrated.

YMMV.

True story: 1977, Basic Training at Ft. Lost in the Woods, Misery. Guy name of Donald Cudworth III (the third) went through all of basic and somehow NEVER tore down and cleaned his M16. It took several of us, under threat of not graduating, many hours to take his gun apart, and get the carbon out of his bolt and make repeated trips back to the hot water baths in the garbage cans to dip, scrub and repeat to get that damned thing clean enough to turn in. It was so bad the extractor wouldn't move from carbonizing and brass fouling. Took a BIG ball-peen hammer and drift to get the pin out even. Made me rethink the Army philosophy of getting every gun squeaky clean after every range date and how well an M16 will still run (I did an attack on a machine-gun nest drill with him once late in the training cycle and his gun worked fine) no matter how dirty it is. Use the right ammo, put a few drops of oil in it from time to time (he DID do THAT) and drive on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ath23</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How often do you clean your bolt rifle?

I have heard of people cleaning there rifle after every trip to the range and of people who do it after a certain amount of rounds. The reason I am asking is my rifle seems to get more accurate after a few boxes of ammo through it. After cleaning it real well i feel like the accuracy decreases. I have done a few trips to the range inbetween cleanings and the rifle shoots great each time. Maybe its just me but has anyone else experienced this. </div></div>

Clean it when it starts shooting like ass.....otherwise, keep shooting it.
 
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This has been a very informative thread. I've always followed the advice of the likes of Maj Plasters (The Ultimate Sniper books - I have both the 1st and 2nd edition), where I clean, thoroughly, all the time. That is, powder cleaner and copper solvent down the tube by at least every 20 rounds or so. The rifles I've had have always worked superbly for me, but in all honesty, I've never been 'gutsy' enough to try shooting a rifle and 'let it tell me when it needs cleaning'. I've got some down-time coming up the next few weeks and will hopefully get a chance to do a higher-than-normal amount of shooting, and will see how cleaning or not cleaning affects my results. When I get done, if it's significant, I'll see about a post on here.
 
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i use wipeout after every session with my new barrel. I just let it sit for 24 hours and then come back and push it all out and give a light coat of oil
 
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i just did my first cleaning for my new 308 after 777 rounds. 1 wet patch and 3 dry patches.

Like others have said, if you notice accuracy declines, then clean it. For 308s thats gonna be near 1000 rounds. Don't get obsessed with getting all the copper out, the barrel needs some. Thats why you notice accuracy get better after few rounds post cleaning, it lays that copper down again that you just finish cleaning off.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1kHIT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This has been a very informative thread. I've always followed the advice of the likes of Maj Plasters (The Ultimate Sniper books - I have both the 1st and 2nd edition), where I clean, thoroughly, all the time. That is, powder cleaner and copper solvent down the tube by at least every 20 rounds or so. The rifles I've had have always worked superbly for me, but in all honesty, I've never been 'gutsy' enough to try shooting a rifle and 'let it tell me when it needs cleaning'. I've got some down-time coming up the next few weeks and will hopefully get a chance to do a higher-than-normal amount of shooting, and will see how cleaning or not cleaning affects my results. When I get done, if it's significant, I'll see about a post on here.
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Would love to read your report.

True story. Massad Ayoob had a loaner HK P7M8 at his site for several years, the rule was to never clean it. I own a couple of these, I'm meticulous and fanatic about keeping mine clean. I read a year or so back that there were over 4,000 rounds through his until it jammed up. I can't seem to get more than 500 through mine until it malfunctions. Same with any of my 1911 pistols. Wrong powder(s) maybe.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same with any of my 1911 pistols. Wrong powder(s) maybe.</div></div>

For me pistols are a different story; I try to clean my 1911 after every use, depending on round count. If it's less than a 50 round trip to the range, I'll let it be; more than that, I clean it. I like keep my revolvers spic and span. My carry pistol (M&P 40) seems to function fine with some carbon... YMMV
 
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I usually clean mine every 50-100 rds, sometimes I use a bore snake in between cleanings.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JMT38S</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> sometimes I use a bore snake in between cleanings. </div></div>

Wait, using a bore snake isn't considered cleaning?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiskeyWebber</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JMT38S</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> sometimes I use a bore snake in between cleanings. </div></div>

Wait, using a bore snake isn't considered cleaning?

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Not a real cleaning. just wiping the crud out.
 
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Yep! rifle shoots better dirty i did clean my rifles after every session but waiting 30 shots for it to settle down is a waste of rounds, mine is right where i want it so now im trying the clean it when it needs it regiment. I did clean the chamber and swab the barrel dry a few times to get the heavy deposits out, curious to see the result next trip to the range.