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If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

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GSRswapandslow

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When i first started shooting my newest rem sps tac...it wouldn't shoot. i've messed with some different loads and finally got one to shoot, and shoot pretty damn good...for me. I've arranged/got an estimate on having the gun trued, threaded, and a badger knob installed.....I'm sure I'll have to rework my loads..no biggie, but is there a chance my gun will shoot WORSE after coming back?

Also....I'm considering going with a wylde chamber...but, I do my own loads...so would it be smarter to go with a match chamber or go ahead with the wylde in case I decide i want to just grab some cheap stuff from walmart to shoot...?
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

big part of what they "true" is the thread inside the action to mate with the barrel. if you did that then your barrel wouldn't fit so you would have to rethread and rechamber a factory barrel. i'd say wait on that when you rebarrel. if it shoots leave it alone and just do the bolt knob and maybe look at a stock upgrade for now.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

To me if it ain't broke don't fix it! Save your pennys and have a new barrel installed along with the action blueprinting.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

shoot the factory barrel until it wears out, then have the action trued and put a custom barrel on it.

Either that or have it trued now and put a custom barrel on it
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

There's really no point in rechambering the factory barrel since it already shoots. I would be surprised if you gained anything without going to a custom barrel. Just go shoot and have fun
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Regards Paul
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bolt fluter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's really no point in rechambering the factory barrel since it already shoots. I would be surprised if you gained anything without going to a custom barrel. Just go shoot and have fun
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Regards Paul</div></div>

Stock and glass upgrades will help now and after you rebarrel, also the bolt knob will help running the action fast. save your money and rebarrel and true later instead of spending it on a factory barrel that shoots.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

Just shoot the gun and save your money.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

There is an old saying....

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

If I had listened to this through the years, I would have saved myself a bunch of money!
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rustybroadhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is an old saying....

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

If I had listened to this through the years, I would have saved myself a bunch of money! </div></div>

Amen!!! I, too, wish I would've listened to that advice years ago.....
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

I agree don't fix want is not broke. Spend you money getting handloading equipment instead.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

save the money for all that work and spend it on ammo and go shoot it, when you need a new barrel then get it done.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">save the money for all that work and spend it on ammo and go shoot it, when you need a new barrel then get it done. </div></div>

This^^^^^^^
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Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

Nothing hurts like going backwards.
Never sell a shooter. Don't F w/ a shooter.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

GSR, i just took a factory Rem 700 sps in 243 and had my smith true and rechamber it in 243AI, shoots 105 a-max's like a boss with the factory 9 and 1/8 twist pipe.

when my 308 had a factory barrel i did the same thing, cut chamber to shorten throat and true, it shot tits, then i finally swap'd to a 10 twist hart pipe finnished @ 24"

it can be done.

but i agree, if its shooting well how you want it to leave it alone, i got best results seating bullets near lands and shortened the throat on my 308 to be able to use DBM kit.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

i've got some more loads to run through it this weekend...i've really only had 1 load SHOOT...but 1 other showed promise.

i shot a 4 shot group, with all rounds touching with:
50gr z-max
24.5gr WC844
LC brass
2.21"
WSR

I went to 24.0gr...HUGE group
25.0gr....HUGE group

I've got some more loaded up at 24.5...and I'm going to go in and mess with seating depth.

I shot some 75 and 68gr BTHP's over varget...and the 75's didn't group..but 1 group with the 68's were promising.



Would rechambering and truing help with consistency possibly? As in...make my rifle shoot more rounds, better?
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

have you roll's any of them over a concentricity gauge?
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

I had my barrel and action trued, the gun shot good before I did it, and now it shoot no good like 2.5moa difference. I had my smith use my factory barrel and ignored his advice of getting a new barrel. My loss now I am out 250 and lost 2.5 moa. So when they say if it not broke don't fix it.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

i plan on going this weekend and shooting 80 more rounds... various weights/powder combinations. I'll see how it does then...

I also have a LNL COAL tool coming in today from bigsupplyshop...so i'll utilize that for some more reloads....see if that helps any as well.

really, though, I just wanted the new bolt knob and barrel threaded....the truing and rechambering wasn't much more money so I figured, wtf not... but you guys have be reconsidering just doing the threading and bolt knob
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chull</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had my barrel and action trued, the gun shot good before I did it, and now it shoot no good like 2.5moa difference. I had my smith use my factory barrel and ignored his advice of getting a new barrel. My loss now I am out 250 and lost 2.5 moa. So when they say if it not broke don't fix it. </div></div>

You should find a new smith.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

sadly this was a good smith. I am not going to say names though
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

I'd like to know since I'm getting close to having mine rebarreled and don't want to have it butchered.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XxMerlinxX</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You should find a new smith. </div></div>

agree, my smith has rechambered 2 factory pipes for me with superb results. better than factory.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

Hill Country Custom, I am taking it to KDF to have them look at it now that ya'll are saying what your saying
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i've got some more loads to run through it this weekend...i've really only had 1 load SHOOT...but 1 other showed promise.

i shot a 4 shot group, with all rounds touching with:
50gr z-max
24.5gr WC844
LC brass
2.21"
WSR

I went to 24.0gr...HUGE group
25.0gr....HUGE group

I've got some more loaded up at 24.5...and I'm going to go in and mess with seating depth.

I shot some 75 and 68gr BTHP's over varget...and the 75's didn't group..but 1 group with the 68's were promising.



Would rechambering and truing help with consistency possibly? As in...make my rifle shoot more rounds, better? </div></div>


Try 55 grain Vmaxs over 27.0 grains of Varget. I've got 5 Ar's and every one shoots moa or less at 100 with this one load. I seat them to max mag length in an AR 2.260

the 75 BTHP's get 24.0 grains of Varget.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

Piggy backing off this same question. Will accuracy be affected if a factory barrel is removed to be cut down and threaded then reinstalled on the action?

In this instance I am talking about a 700P.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UnitedFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Piggy backing off this same question. Will accuracy be affected if a factory barrel is removed to be cut down and threaded then reinstalled on the action?

In this instance I am talking about a 700P. </div></div>

that's exactly what this thread is in reference to, actually.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UnitedFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will accuracy be affected if a factory barrel is removed to be cut down and threaded then reinstalled on the action? </div></div>

Generally in my experience they shoot about the same. Sometimes better because possibly the new crown is better than the old one, and in a few cases not as good.

Now back to the original question! You will be much further ahead if you wait until this gun is shot out or you decide a new barrel is what you want.

Here's why, a proper blueprint job will do at minimum recut the receiver face and lugs, and recut the threads all concentric to the bolt raceway. So your factory barrel will no longer properly fit your receiver. Factory chambered barrels just aren't up to the precision of an aftermarket match grade barrel chambered by a good gunsmith so why spend the money on putting it back on.

Secondly, there are those who will only cut the reciever face and sometimes the lugs and call it blueprinted, and then slap a rechambered factory barrel back on it. Its just my opinion but your wasting your hard earned money on something that may or may not have any effect on the accuracy of the finished gun and when you do get to the point of wanting a new custom barrel your reciever will not be trued up to the level of precision required to really squeeze all the potential out of that new barrel.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

Try a 69 grain smk, 25.3 grains of varget in winchester or LC brass. Seat to 2.255-2.260

should put you right around 2750-2800fps and shoot at or near 1/2" groups, sometimes tighter in my 223 Remington Tactical, as a plus you can load this in a AR and it will also shoot well.
 
Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

well.....being that I need it threaded and a REAL bolt knob on it instead of the KRG piece.....it's going off next week.

I hope it can do more of this, when it comes back...
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Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

well the gun came back today from Scout Supply Company....I just got the barrel threaded and a real bolt knob installed to replace the KRG I had on there...I'm pretty damn pleased! I'm going to get the barreled action cerakoted here soon....so I just had him media blast the badger thruster brake he screwed on for me...I'm kind of thinking about going with a similar color to how it turned out...maybe sniper grey..

but i'm gonna get back out and toss a bunch of rounds down the tube....I loaded up 500 while it was out for work, lol

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Re: If a gun shoots...would having it trued HURT it?

I have an sps tact in .223.

It is a bit finicky, but loves the 69 grain custom competition and SMK's over a stiff charge of varget.

It actually shoots the prvi partizan 75 grain hpbt pretty damn well. Does not shoot their 69 grainers worth a shit.

I have a 5r in .308. I recently had the action trued, the barrel set back and rechambered and the barrel shoulder squared with a new recoil lug installed.

Does it shoot better? Not really.
But it shoots more consistently. As the barrel warms, the groups do not open up like before. Admittedly, they didn't open up a whole bunch, but it was noticeable.

It was a very good shooting rifle, but I did not want to invest in another .30 cal barrel. If my agency ever buys their own precision rifle, I'll have a 6.5CM tube installed.
 
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