Looking to pick up another match grade barrel and I'm completely torn between the 243 Win and the 6.5 Creedmoor. Barrel choices as they stand are 243 Win, 26", 7.5 twist or the 6.5 Creedmoor, 26", 8.5 twist. Looking for something long range 1000 yards capable, low/soft recoil, good wind bucking capabilities and accuracy above everything. I'm not a reloader at this point so sadly it's pretty much off the shelf ammo. The rifle will mostly be used for paper punching and the occasional varmint blasting ie. coyote and groundhogs. Interested in hearing from people who have experience with both calibers. As a side note I'm not too concerned with barrel life.
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Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeeprider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not a reloader at this point so sadly it's pretty much off the shelf ammo.</div></div>
If you don't reload, then the choice is easy; the 6.5Creedmoor.
There aren't many match grade .243Win loads and the ones out there are pricey.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeeprider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As a side note I'm not too concerned with barrel life. </div></div>
Either your independently wealthy or have your own barrel making equipment.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeeprider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not a reloader at this point so sadly it's pretty much off the shelf ammo.</div></div>
If you don't reload, then the choice is easy; the 6.5Creedmoor.
There aren't many match grade .243Win loads and the ones out there are pricey.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeeprider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As a side note I'm not too concerned with barrel life. </div></div>
Either your independently wealthy or have your own barrel making equipment.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
6.5 CM
Barrel life and off the shelf ammo
6.5 CM
Barrel life and off the shelf ammo
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
6.5 creedmoor using 140gr AMAXs for more terminal energy splash to spot, and also slightly longer barrel life.
6.5 creedmoor using 140gr AMAXs for more terminal energy splash to spot, and also slightly longer barrel life.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
based on your comments and as posted above.....no question......6.5 Creed
based on your comments and as posted above.....no question......6.5 Creed
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
From your 2 listed, 6.5 def
From your 2 listed, 6.5 def
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
You won't go wrong with ether one. I agree that off the shelf Hornady 6.5cm is good ammo but you can get a lot of very good 243 from Copper Creek and McCourt. They also load some amazing 6.5cm with the 130 Berger VLD.
You won't go wrong with ether one. I agree that off the shelf Hornady 6.5cm is good ammo but you can get a lot of very good 243 from Copper Creek and McCourt. They also load some amazing 6.5cm with the 130 Berger VLD.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I would go with the creedmoor for many many reasons most of which were already posted.
I would go with the creedmoor for many many reasons most of which were already posted.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I'd also look into the .260 if I were you... It's in the 6.5mm family and is a ballistic twin to the 6.5 Creed, but if you ever intend to reload, the market for reloading the .260 is pretty well developed in terms of brass, dies offerings. The main difference between the .260 and the 6.5 Creed is that the 6.5 Creed has a different mouth angle so (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't yet reload/shoot either .260 or 6.5 Creed) the pressure will be lower for the 6.5 Creed than for the .260 with the same load. You can also reload the 6.5 Creed, FWIW, but you either have to deal with the meager brass offerings out there or size donor brass in addition to ordering custom dies IIRC.
Also in the 6.5mm family is the 6.5x47 Lapua, but it has too many downsides (at least in my opinion) for the avaerage shooter. The case capacity is smaller than the .260 or 6.5 Creed, so you're dealing with higher pressures and hotter loads to get the same results, and you get a bit of a barrel burner. The upside (or downside?) is that you pretty much have to use Lapua brass, so the hot loads won't make you go out and buy new brass every 4 loads.
Of course, alot of this is based off of the hint I picked up in your post that you might like to reload sometime. If you don't intend on reloading anytime in the near future, get the 6.5 Creedmoor and don't look back. The Hornady match ammo is just too good, and it's decently priced.
Edit: I just wanted to point out that the two calibers you offered are in two different "families" - the .243 is a 6mm and the 6.5 Creedmoor is a 6.5mm. That said, if you want a straight up comparison, look at the 6mm Creedmoor. I personally would go with the 6.5mm over 6mm, but it depends on a number of factors that mainly hinge on what you are doing in terms of shooting and loading and what you want to do. IIRC, the .260 will be less of a barrel burner than the .243, have slightly more drop than the .243, but with the larger bullets it will buck the wind more.
I'd also look into the .260 if I were you... It's in the 6.5mm family and is a ballistic twin to the 6.5 Creed, but if you ever intend to reload, the market for reloading the .260 is pretty well developed in terms of brass, dies offerings. The main difference between the .260 and the 6.5 Creed is that the 6.5 Creed has a different mouth angle so (correct me if I'm wrong, I don't yet reload/shoot either .260 or 6.5 Creed) the pressure will be lower for the 6.5 Creed than for the .260 with the same load. You can also reload the 6.5 Creed, FWIW, but you either have to deal with the meager brass offerings out there or size donor brass in addition to ordering custom dies IIRC.
Also in the 6.5mm family is the 6.5x47 Lapua, but it has too many downsides (at least in my opinion) for the avaerage shooter. The case capacity is smaller than the .260 or 6.5 Creed, so you're dealing with higher pressures and hotter loads to get the same results, and you get a bit of a barrel burner. The upside (or downside?) is that you pretty much have to use Lapua brass, so the hot loads won't make you go out and buy new brass every 4 loads.
Of course, alot of this is based off of the hint I picked up in your post that you might like to reload sometime. If you don't intend on reloading anytime in the near future, get the 6.5 Creedmoor and don't look back. The Hornady match ammo is just too good, and it's decently priced.
Edit: I just wanted to point out that the two calibers you offered are in two different "families" - the .243 is a 6mm and the 6.5 Creedmoor is a 6.5mm. That said, if you want a straight up comparison, look at the 6mm Creedmoor. I personally would go with the 6.5mm over 6mm, but it depends on a number of factors that mainly hinge on what you are doing in terms of shooting and loading and what you want to do. IIRC, the .260 will be less of a barrel burner than the .243, have slightly more drop than the .243, but with the larger bullets it will buck the wind more.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
If you reloaded, the .243 all day.
If you reloaded, the .243 all day.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
Another fan of the 6.5CM round. There are good off the shelf loads for the Creedmoor. And if your loading you can come up with something better. You mention 1000yd shooting the Creedmoor will do that range and more if you want.
Its well known that 243 are hard on barrels, even if you are reloading. The 243 has been around for a long time and its good, its just 6.5 is better. The Lapua 6.5 is another great 6.5 round.
Another fan of the 6.5CM round. There are good off the shelf loads for the Creedmoor. And if your loading you can come up with something better. You mention 1000yd shooting the Creedmoor will do that range and more if you want.
Its well known that 243 are hard on barrels, even if you are reloading. The 243 has been around for a long time and its good, its just 6.5 is better. The Lapua 6.5 is another great 6.5 round.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I would go .260 if you want an all around caliber. The ammo for the CM is limited as the .260 is growing. Federal is out with long range 142gr SMK match ammo and for varmints you have factory 120gr in lots of flavors.
I would go .260 if you want an all around caliber. The ammo for the CM is limited as the .260 is growing. Federal is out with long range 142gr SMK match ammo and for varmints you have factory 120gr in lots of flavors.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
Thanks for all the responses I went ahead with the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel. I'm sure whichever one chose I would have been happy, but the CM makes more sense for me at this point. I'm sure I'll get a 243 Win switch barrel soon enough as well.
Thanks for all the responses I went ahead with the 6.5 Creedmoor barrel. I'm sure whichever one chose I would have been happy, but the CM makes more sense for me at this point. I'm sure I'll get a 243 Win switch barrel soon enough as well.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I think you should go with the 243 AI. just my $0.02.
I think you should go with the 243 AI. just my $0.02.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
no hand loading=6.5 creed
no hand loading=6.5 creed
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no hand loading=6.5 creed</div></div> Why when the only factory ammo for the CM is Hornady and there are 7 different manufacturers with 22 choices of .260?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no hand loading=6.5 creed</div></div> Why when the only factory ammo for the CM is Hornady and there are 7 different manufacturers with 22 choices of .260?
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
Who are the 7 FACTORY choices for 260 Match ammo?
Who are the 7 FACTORY choices for 260 Match ammo?
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notgnimer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should go with the 243 AI. just my $0.02. </div></div>
finnished my 243AI a few months back, you wouldnt beleive the accuracy unless you saw it with your own eyes...
of course my gin smith is a wizard...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notgnimer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should go with the 243 AI. just my $0.02. </div></div>
finnished my 243AI a few months back, you wouldnt beleive the accuracy unless you saw it with your own eyes...
of course my gin smith is a wizard...
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mnhntr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no hand loading=6.5 creed</div></div> Why when the only factory ammo for the CM is Hornady and there are 7 different manufacturers with 22 choices of .260?</div></div>
Compare the cost.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mnhntr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no hand loading=6.5 creed</div></div> Why when the only factory ammo for the CM is Hornady and there are 7 different manufacturers with 22 choices of .260?</div></div>
Compare the cost.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mnhntr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no hand loading=6.5 creed</div></div> Why when the only factory ammo for the CM is Hornady and there are 7 different manufacturers with 22 choices of .260? </div></div>
Don't kid yourself my friend I am a huge supporter of the .260Rem. That's why I built one and I feel it's superior, ever so slightly, to the 6.5 creed. But the creed is easier for non hand loaders.
This One bad .260 is mine.
I made some nice consistant hits on a piece of 10" steel last weekend at 1228 yards... according to the laser range finder and I used my 1230y dope according to Ballistic FTE (iphone) which put my shooting a hair high obviously. I've also busted a 3 shot group at 630y that measured out CTC .585". Last weekend back at 630y, I was able to lay down consistant 1"-1.5" 5 shot groups. Point is a well built .260 is hard to beat. But for the OP, the 6.5 creed is a better choice.
FYI.... I'm still burning H4350 under the 140BTLRs. I haven't tried the hybrids yet. Maybe I will after i'm done with this tube.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mnhntr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body">no hand loading=6.5 creed</div></div> Why when the only factory ammo for the CM is Hornady and there are 7 different manufacturers with 22 choices of .260? </div></div>
Don't kid yourself my friend I am a huge supporter of the .260Rem. That's why I built one and I feel it's superior, ever so slightly, to the 6.5 creed. But the creed is easier for non hand loaders.
This One bad .260 is mine.
I made some nice consistant hits on a piece of 10" steel last weekend at 1228 yards... according to the laser range finder and I used my 1230y dope according to Ballistic FTE (iphone) which put my shooting a hair high obviously. I've also busted a 3 shot group at 630y that measured out CTC .585". Last weekend back at 630y, I was able to lay down consistant 1"-1.5" 5 shot groups. Point is a well built .260 is hard to beat. But for the OP, the 6.5 creed is a better choice.
FYI.... I'm still burning H4350 under the 140BTLRs. I haven't tried the hybrids yet. Maybe I will after i'm done with this tube.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who are the 7 FACTORY choices for 260 Match ammo? </div></div>
anyone care to answer this...?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who are the 7 FACTORY choices for 260 Match ammo? </div></div>
anyone care to answer this...?
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notgnimer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should go with the 243 AI. just my $0.02. </div></div>
finnished my 243AI a few months back, you wouldnt beleive the accuracy unless you saw it with your own eyes...
of course my gin smith is a wizard...</div></div>
Of course I would believe it, I have one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notgnimer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should go with the 243 AI. just my $0.02. </div></div>
finnished my 243AI a few months back, you wouldnt beleive the accuracy unless you saw it with your own eyes...
of course my gin smith is a wizard...</div></div>
Of course I would believe it, I have one.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you handload, a 243 will SMOKE any of the 6.5's. But the barrel life is give or take half. </div></div>
Smoke them how. Groups size, bucking he wind, energy on target....?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you handload, a 243 will SMOKE any of the 6.5's. But the barrel life is give or take half. </div></div>
Smoke them how. Groups size, bucking he wind, energy on target....?
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I mean the OP did say he wasn't concerned with barrel life, then the obvious choice is in fact the 243 AI, but only if you handload. I realize the 243 AI wasn't one of the options but it should be. As a plus by doing it in 243 AI, the barrel will burn up faster, then you have a legit excuse to do another build.
I mean the OP did say he wasn't concerned with barrel life, then the obvious choice is in fact the 243 AI, but only if you handload. I realize the 243 AI wasn't one of the options but it should be. As a plus by doing it in 243 AI, the barrel will burn up faster, then you have a legit excuse to do another build.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
heres mine,,, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...554#Post3379554
heres mine,,, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...554#Post3379554
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you handload, a 243 will SMOKE any of the 6.5's. But the barrel life is give or take half. </div></div>
Smoke them how. Groups size, bucking he wind, energy on target....? </div></div>Flatter shooting, less wind drift.
I just ran the numbers though, and they are closer than I thought. DTACs at 3115 vs Berger 140 Hybrid at 2810, which represents my 243 barrel vs my 260 barrel. At 1000 yards and 365 ft density altitude, the 115 DTACS drops 6.3 mils and drifts 1.6 mils per 10 mph of wind. It has 2456 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 790 at 1000 yards. Under the same conditions the Hybrid drops 7.5 mils and drifts 1.8 mils, and retains 784 ft lbs, from 2610 at the muzzle.
So closer than I was thinking, but still beats it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you handload, a 243 will SMOKE any of the 6.5's. But the barrel life is give or take half. </div></div>
Smoke them how. Groups size, bucking he wind, energy on target....? </div></div>Flatter shooting, less wind drift.
I just ran the numbers though, and they are closer than I thought. DTACs at 3115 vs Berger 140 Hybrid at 2810, which represents my 243 barrel vs my 260 barrel. At 1000 yards and 365 ft density altitude, the 115 DTACS drops 6.3 mils and drifts 1.6 mils per 10 mph of wind. It has 2456 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 790 at 1000 yards. Under the same conditions the Hybrid drops 7.5 mils and drifts 1.8 mils, and retains 784 ft lbs, from 2610 at the muzzle.
So closer than I was thinking, but still beats it.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">heres mine,,, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...554#Post3379554</div></div>
Very nice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">heres mine,,, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...554#Post3379554</div></div>
Very nice.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who are the 7 FACTORY choices for 260 Match ammo? </div></div>
anyone care to answer this...?</div></div>
Federal gold
Copper creek
Southwest ammo
Dallas reloads
Not sure on others.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who are the 7 FACTORY choices for 260 Match ammo? </div></div>
anyone care to answer this...?</div></div>
Federal gold
Copper creek
Southwest ammo
Dallas reloads
Not sure on others.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
Ok, so mnhntr didn't have he facts right. Hornady is the only factory 6.5 CM round, but if you want to count companies like Southwest, well, Southwest and Copper Creek make 6.5 Credmoor as well. I don't see that there is a significant advantage to the 260 on FACTORY MATCH ammo, and certainly not the 7 he claimed.
I don't think you will be able to buy FGMM near what the Hornady round costs either.
Ok, so mnhntr didn't have he facts right. Hornady is the only factory 6.5 CM round, but if you want to count companies like Southwest, well, Southwest and Copper Creek make 6.5 Credmoor as well. I don't see that there is a significant advantage to the 260 on FACTORY MATCH ammo, and certainly not the 7 he claimed.
I don't think you will be able to buy FGMM near what the Hornady round costs either.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you handload, a 243 will SMOKE any of the 6.5's. But the barrel life is give or take half. </div></div>
Smoke them how. Groups size, bucking he wind, energy on target....? </div></div>Flatter shooting, less wind drift.
I just ran the numbers though, and they are closer than I thought. DTACs at 3115 vs Berger 140 Hybrid at 2810, which represents my 243 barrel vs my 260 barrel. At 1000 yards and 365 ft density altitude, the 115 DTACS drops 6.3 mils and drifts 1.6 mils per 10 mph of wind. It has 2456 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 790 at 1000 yards. Under the same conditions the Hybrid drops 7.5 mils and drifts 1.8 mils, and retains 784 ft lbs, from 2610 at the muzzle.
So closer than I was thinking, but still beats it. </div></div>
my 24" 4 groove Krieger blows the 140btlrs at 2860. Hows that compare to your 2810fps data?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tango__Down</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you handload, a 243 will SMOKE any of the 6.5's. But the barrel life is give or take half. </div></div>
Smoke them how. Groups size, bucking he wind, energy on target....? </div></div>Flatter shooting, less wind drift.
I just ran the numbers though, and they are closer than I thought. DTACs at 3115 vs Berger 140 Hybrid at 2810, which represents my 243 barrel vs my 260 barrel. At 1000 yards and 365 ft density altitude, the 115 DTACS drops 6.3 mils and drifts 1.6 mils per 10 mph of wind. It has 2456 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and 790 at 1000 yards. Under the same conditions the Hybrid drops 7.5 mils and drifts 1.8 mils, and retains 784 ft lbs, from 2610 at the muzzle.
So closer than I was thinking, but still beats it. </div></div>
my 24" 4 groove Krieger blows the 140btlrs at 2860. Hows that compare to your 2810fps data?
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
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Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
6.5 is an easy decision when you consider everything. I'm saving my pennies to have a custom build in this caliber this year or early next year. It's a great cartridge even for those of us who don't handload. Great ballistics, mild recoil, affordable and available quality factory match ammo, great for long range precison shooting, and a practical caliber for deer hunting. The .243 is also very good, but not as good as the 6.5 Creedmoor..
6.5 is an easy decision when you consider everything. I'm saving my pennies to have a custom build in this caliber this year or early next year. It's a great cartridge even for those of us who don't handload. Great ballistics, mild recoil, affordable and available quality factory match ammo, great for long range precison shooting, and a practical caliber for deer hunting. The .243 is also very good, but not as good as the 6.5 Creedmoor..
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, so mnhntr didn't have he facts right. Hornady is the only factory 6.5 CM round, but if you want to count companies like Southwest, well, Southwest and Copper Creek make 6.5 Credmoor as well. I don't see that there is a significant advantage to the 260 on FACTORY MATCH ammo, and certainly not the 7 he claimed.
I don't think you will be able to buy FGMM near what the Hornady round costs either. </div></div> Show me were I said 7 manufacturers of MATCH GRADE AMMO
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CNC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, so mnhntr didn't have he facts right. Hornady is the only factory 6.5 CM round, but if you want to count companies like Southwest, well, Southwest and Copper Creek make 6.5 Credmoor as well. I don't see that there is a significant advantage to the 260 on FACTORY MATCH ammo, and certainly not the 7 he claimed.
I don't think you will be able to buy FGMM near what the Hornady round costs either. </div></div> Show me were I said 7 manufacturers of MATCH GRADE AMMO
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
6.5 Creedmoor! target tells it all But all in all its personal preference I watched a 243 AI and a 6 dasher kick but on a bunch of shooters last month at a Iron shoot out to 1350. There were 64 shots they scored 54 hits each at various ranges the closest score to them was 47 hits. Quality parts make quality rifles The rest is up to the Shooter.
6.5 Creedmoor! target tells it all But all in all its personal preference I watched a 243 AI and a 6 dasher kick but on a bunch of shooters last month at a Iron shoot out to 1350. There were 64 shots they scored 54 hits each at various ranges the closest score to them was 47 hits. Quality parts make quality rifles The rest is up to the Shooter.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notgnimer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">heres mine,,, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...554#Post3379554</div></div>
Very nice. </div></div>
Thank you.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: notgnimer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JWP6114</div><div class="ubbcode-body">heres mine,,, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...554#Post3379554</div></div>
Very nice. </div></div>
Thank you.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
The OP is going to be shooting factory ammo. Not handloaded so it's an easy choice of the Creedmoor over the .243.
That said yes the .243 will shoot flatter and a little better in the wind as you are sending basically the same BC bullet out faster. But if you stick to the original question from the OP the Creedmoor would be the best choice.
The OP is going to be shooting factory ammo. Not handloaded so it's an easy choice of the Creedmoor over the .243.
That said yes the .243 will shoot flatter and a little better in the wind as you are sending basically the same BC bullet out faster. But if you stick to the original question from the OP the Creedmoor would be the best choice.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I kicked this same question around for a while and ended up going .243win but I do handload and I like 6mm's but I almost think I should of went 6.5 Creed for barrel life aspect. But if this .243 dosent last as long as I would like it to it will prob get rechambered in 6.5 creed. Hornadys 140gr amax load is very affordable and exremely accurate for factory stuff.
I kicked this same question around for a while and ended up going .243win but I do handload and I like 6mm's but I almost think I should of went 6.5 Creed for barrel life aspect. But if this .243 dosent last as long as I would like it to it will prob get rechambered in 6.5 creed. Hornadys 140gr amax load is very affordable and exremely accurate for factory stuff.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I was about to buy a 243 barrel for my savage but decided to go with the 6.5 Creedmoor.
It has great ballistics and low recoil. I was a bit concerned about the barrel life so thats why is chose the 6.5. Also, I wanted the availability of relatively cheap factory ammo capable of long range shooting, which the 6.5 has. The 243 has some good loads available but they are a bit more expensive.
I was about to buy a 243 barrel for my savage but decided to go with the 6.5 Creedmoor.
It has great ballistics and low recoil. I was a bit concerned about the barrel life so thats why is chose the 6.5. Also, I wanted the availability of relatively cheap factory ammo capable of long range shooting, which the 6.5 has. The 243 has some good loads available but they are a bit more expensive.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I shoot a 243 for my match gun and love it. I have shot a 6.5cm as a match gun and loved it. I have also shot a 260 as a match gun and loved it. I agree that the best choice for "factory" ammo is the 6.5cm. I get 2820FPS out of mine shooting the 140 factory amax round. I run my 243 with Dtacs at 3050fps. I ran my 260 at 2880fps. I'm not that worried about how flat a gun shoots except on UKD targets. I mainly care about wind. I don't know about any of you, but I can't make a .1mil wind call consistently and you can find a bullet/fps load that will put most of these within .1-.2 wind of each other.
I'm not concerned how fast you push yours because then we can go down the road of AI's or WSM/saum calibers. The speeds I'm showing are what you normally see people running. Yes, you can hot rod them if you want and you can deal with blown primers. I don't think this is what the OP is asking for.
I shoot a 243 for my match gun and love it. I have shot a 6.5cm as a match gun and loved it. I have also shot a 260 as a match gun and loved it. I agree that the best choice for "factory" ammo is the 6.5cm. I get 2820FPS out of mine shooting the 140 factory amax round. I run my 243 with Dtacs at 3050fps. I ran my 260 at 2880fps. I'm not that worried about how flat a gun shoots except on UKD targets. I mainly care about wind. I don't know about any of you, but I can't make a .1mil wind call consistently and you can find a bullet/fps load that will put most of these within .1-.2 wind of each other.
I'm not concerned how fast you push yours because then we can go down the road of AI's or WSM/saum calibers. The speeds I'm showing are what you normally see people running. Yes, you can hot rod them if you want and you can deal with blown primers. I don't think this is what the OP is asking for.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The OP is going to be shooting factory ammo. Not handloaded so it's an easy choice of the Creedmoor over the .243.
That said yes the .243 will shoot flatter and a little better in the wind as you are sending basically the same BC bullet out faster. But if you stick to the original question from the OP the Creedmoor would be the best choice. </div></div>
Rob- As you shoot both a 6.5CM and a .243...if you were able to disregard any extrinsic factors (i.e.: FPS restrictions, coordination with teammates, etc) without concern for barrel life or reloading/factory ammo...and all else being equal (both rifles equally accurate and set up identically) which would be your go to for match use?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The OP is going to be shooting factory ammo. Not handloaded so it's an easy choice of the Creedmoor over the .243.
That said yes the .243 will shoot flatter and a little better in the wind as you are sending basically the same BC bullet out faster. But if you stick to the original question from the OP the Creedmoor would be the best choice. </div></div>
Rob- As you shoot both a 6.5CM and a .243...if you were able to disregard any extrinsic factors (i.e.: FPS restrictions, coordination with teammates, etc) without concern for barrel life or reloading/factory ammo...and all else being equal (both rifles equally accurate and set up identically) which would be your go to for match use?
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
I would find the projectile with the highest G7 BC for each caliber figure out how fast you could drive them and go with the round that will stays supersonic longer...Just my .02
I would find the projectile with the highest G7 BC for each caliber figure out how fast you could drive them and go with the round that will stays supersonic longer...Just my .02
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrawDad338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would find the projectile with the highest G7 BC for each caliber figure out how fast you could drive them and go with the round that will stays supersonic longer...Just my .02</div></div>
thats my plan... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...818#Post3392818
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrawDad338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would find the projectile with the highest G7 BC for each caliber figure out how fast you could drive them and go with the round that will stays supersonic longer...Just my .02</div></div>
thats my plan... http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...818#Post3392818
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
This is driving me crazy now, had to do the math...
The highest BC I could find for .243 was the 115 DTACs (g1 .585) and for 6.5mm Creed I used the 140 Berger Hybrids (g1 .618)
I followed "B. Morgan" for muzzle velocity using 3,050fps for the .243 115s and 2,820fps for the 6.5 Creed 140s.
At 1,000 yards it's like splitting hairs in wind adjustment but the higher BC 6.5mm starts to reel in the .243 past 1k. The .243 goes transonic @ 1,370 yds, the 6.5 Creed is good for 1,420yds.
1,000 yards same atmosphere
.243 = 7.4 mil elev/2.0 mil wind 1,537fps
6.5 Creed = 8.2 mil elev/1.9 mil wind 1,535fps
1,300 yards
.243 = 12.l mil elev/2.9 mil wind 1,184fps
6.5mm Creed = 13 mil elev/2.7 mil wind 1,224fps
More barrel life, more range, less wind adjust = +1 for the 6.5 Creed at the expense of a little more recoil...
This is driving me crazy now, had to do the math...
The highest BC I could find for .243 was the 115 DTACs (g1 .585) and for 6.5mm Creed I used the 140 Berger Hybrids (g1 .618)
I followed "B. Morgan" for muzzle velocity using 3,050fps for the .243 115s and 2,820fps for the 6.5 Creed 140s.
At 1,000 yards it's like splitting hairs in wind adjustment but the higher BC 6.5mm starts to reel in the .243 past 1k. The .243 goes transonic @ 1,370 yds, the 6.5 Creed is good for 1,420yds.
1,000 yards same atmosphere
.243 = 7.4 mil elev/2.0 mil wind 1,537fps
6.5 Creed = 8.2 mil elev/1.9 mil wind 1,535fps
1,300 yards
.243 = 12.l mil elev/2.9 mil wind 1,184fps
6.5mm Creed = 13 mil elev/2.7 mil wind 1,224fps
More barrel life, more range, less wind adjust = +1 for the 6.5 Creed at the expense of a little more recoil...
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrawDad338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is driving me crazy now, had to do the math...
The highest BC I could find for .243 was the 115 DTACs (g1 .585) and for 6.5mm Creed I used the 140 Berger Hybrids (g1 .618)
I followed "B. Morgan" for muzzle velocity using 3,050fps for the .243 115s and 2,820fps for the 6.5 Creed 140s.
At 1,000 yards it's like splitting hairs in wind adjustment but the higher BC 6.5mm starts to reel in the .243 past 1k. The .243 goes transonic @ 1,370 yds, the 6.5 Creed is good for 1,420yds.
1,000 yards same atmosphere
.243 = 7.4 mil elev/2.0 mil wind 1,537fps
6.5 Creed = 8.2 mil elev/1.9 mil wind 1,535fps
1,300 yards
.243 = 12.l mil elev/2.9 mil wind 1,184fps
6.5mm Creed = 13 mil elev/2.7 mil wind 1,224fps
More barrel life, more range, less wind adjust = +1 for the 6.5 Creed at the expense of a little more recoil... </div></div>
I'd do the math over again using G7 BCs. Much more accurate scale for these types of bullets. Also, most field testing (ref Brian Litz) uses the G7 scale and offers real world coefficients; not inflated, embellished numbers used to make a sale. It will all result in more accurate results when using any sort of ballistic program.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CrawDad338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is driving me crazy now, had to do the math...
The highest BC I could find for .243 was the 115 DTACs (g1 .585) and for 6.5mm Creed I used the 140 Berger Hybrids (g1 .618)
I followed "B. Morgan" for muzzle velocity using 3,050fps for the .243 115s and 2,820fps for the 6.5 Creed 140s.
At 1,000 yards it's like splitting hairs in wind adjustment but the higher BC 6.5mm starts to reel in the .243 past 1k. The .243 goes transonic @ 1,370 yds, the 6.5 Creed is good for 1,420yds.
1,000 yards same atmosphere
.243 = 7.4 mil elev/2.0 mil wind 1,537fps
6.5 Creed = 8.2 mil elev/1.9 mil wind 1,535fps
1,300 yards
.243 = 12.l mil elev/2.9 mil wind 1,184fps
6.5mm Creed = 13 mil elev/2.7 mil wind 1,224fps
More barrel life, more range, less wind adjust = +1 for the 6.5 Creed at the expense of a little more recoil... </div></div>
I'd do the math over again using G7 BCs. Much more accurate scale for these types of bullets. Also, most field testing (ref Brian Litz) uses the G7 scale and offers real world coefficients; not inflated, embellished numbers used to make a sale. It will all result in more accurate results when using any sort of ballistic program.
Re: Undecided 243 Win or 6.5 Creed
Do both!
Do both!
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