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Long range hunting calibers

ThatGuy473

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Which caliber should i get for elk, mule deer, bear, moose, and still want to do some whitetail hunting with the same gun. I want large bullet weight selection and reasonable ammo prices. Im open to all calibers you guys think but im debating on: 7mm mag, 300 win mag and 30-06.
 
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Given the range of animals you're looking at the 300WM makes the most sense.

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I'm getting to be partial to the 7mm. Research the ballistic difference and you might lean towards it. I would use my 7mmrm on anything you listed.
 
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The 300 WM is a great option. I would also look into a 7 WSM.
 
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The "advantage" the 300 RUM has is its NOT a belted case. Easier to load size and care for (IMHO) I'll pick a non belted cartridge over belted 100% of the time.

I don't believe there is a clear winner in the 7mag vs 300 Winchester. But it can be debated forever
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I hunt with a WSM (300) and so far its killing anything I point it at dead.

I've seen several 300RUM that shoot ridiculously good groups with very little effort (Federal premium ammo
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Its about doing your homework with whatever you buy.

I hunted with a 30-06 for many years and killed lots of stuff with it. But It definitely leaves a little something on the table against the magnums and short magnums at distance. Anything under 600 just shoot it...

Cheers.
Dave
 
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For everything but large brown and grizzly bears I recommend a 30-06. Very versitile, ammo everywhere, cheap, moderate recoil, more than enough for hunting ranges.

For moderate ranges the 338 federal is hard to beat.

I highly advise against the 300RUM. They are very flat shooting but for the increase in recoil far from worth the trade off. Most shooters can shoot a 30-06 much more accurately than a 300 RUM. The chances of developing a flinch with the RUM are exponentially higher than a 30-06 or 7 mag.

If you do go magnum I recommend a 300 or 7mm WSM. They make a lighter shorter rig with no belted case.

But a true Conesuer would carry a 280.
 
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Its pretty rifle dependent, my 300WSm kicks me worse than my brothers TRG-S in 300RUM, BUT neither gun is a pick for repeated shooting.

Totally agree the 06 can pretty much do the job, with less kick...
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My 30-06 kicks a lot worse than my 300 Rum.and iv had three 300 win mags and like them a lot But i'll take the Rum any day over the 300 win Just me.
 
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If your 30-06 kicks worse than your 300 RUM then something is off.

Does your 30-06 stock fit you as well as the 300?

Does the 300 have a brake? (can you hear me now?)

Do you take heavy doses of Lithium? Just kidding. But all things being equal the physics don't lie.
 
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I recommend the 300WSM. I have one without a muzzle break and recoil feels about the same as a 300WM with a muzzle break, a 300RUM is much worse. BTW this is comparing three rifles of the same weight (11 pounds with a scope), the only one without a muzzle break is the 300wsm.

My 300WSM has an effective hunting range of 1000 yards with 200gr. Barnes LRX rounds (lowest expansion speed being 1600fps). I don't intend to shoot at anything that far, but its nice knowing I can.
 
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Both Remington 700 both the same the 300 Rum has a Sims butt pad the 30-06 has a plastic but plate.Both fit grate.Rums heaver of cores. And swampbuck NO BRAKE an both are loaded up good.Better hit the books physics is LIEN "LOL"
 
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My Remington 700 in 300 WSM really doesn't kick bad - my daughter killed her first elk with it at age 16 and never complained while practicing (prone, sitting and standing). She has shot it well out to 1000 yds. I really like the caliber for longer range hunting.
 
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The 7 WSM is hard to beat in my opinion. The 180 grn Bergers are nice and not too spendy to shoot compared to the big 338 offerings. Personally I think it has all you need if you can do your part behind the trigger. I just wish there was better brass for it. Lapua has spoiled me.

http://www.6mmbr.com/gunweek064.html
 
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300WM. Wherever you chose to hunt, you'll always find ammo available. All the calibers mention though are a great choice. My .300WM was my first LR/P rifle build and is still 'old faithful'. After I shot the barrel out I had Jered Joplin at APA rebuild the thing and with his brake, it feels like shooting an AR-15. I've shot black bear in Northern Canada and blacktail deer in Oregon, all the way to antelope in Wyoming and absolutely love it!
 
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300WM, great ammo availability. Off the shelf 150 to 200 grains in most places. Put a brake on it and it will be a pussy cat. Shoots flat. Nothing wrong with 338WM, just ammo cost more and is not as common. I have both.

7 Mags are sweet too.
 
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Despite what I've done with them I would have to say that anything smaller than a 300 WM isn't a great choice beyond 800 on deer sized game. Inside of that it really doesn't matter. The 300 WM is probably the most versatile cartridge ever...... period. Nothing has it beat for an overall North American cartridge considering various customers, game requirements, and availability.

The problem at distance with anything smaller is you really aren't going to deliver the type of energy needed. If your shot is less than perfect you are in for a long day. I say go big...........within reason.

Before everyone gets their tail feathers ruffled b/c of what I said let me say this. I have shot a lot of stuff at extreme distances with lesser calibers. Yes it worked. No there isn't much room for error. There's the problem. I haven't seen a single match where a shooter shot a perfect score or really even above 90%. Therefor you are going to have little boo boo's here and there. When you do if you are swinging a big stick chances are you'll still be bringing home the bacon.
 
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I don’t believe there is one caliber suited for everything on your list.

I’ve taken everything from opossums (on a bet), hogs, whitetail, antelope, and elk with a 7mmRM. It’s my all around lower 48 caliber of choice and I’m sure it would do fine in the Yukon after moose or British Columbia after black bear. As far as bullet weight, 100gr all the way up to Berger 195gr (when it comes out); granted, very few of these bullets would I consider LR bullets. Would a 300WM foot the bill for all of the above? Most certainly, I hunted with an outfitter whose son used a .243 on elk but I prefer a heaver bullet, flat trajectory, high BC, and moderate recoil of a 7mmRM for hunting. To come close to the 7mm 180gr BC with a 30cal you have to step up in bullet weight therefore increasing recoil. Granted you can tame some of the recoil with a break but some hunting guides prefer their clients not use a break.

If I was going after coastal brownies I would personally move up to .338 or .375.

I know this doesn’t answer your question but it all comes down to what your comfortable shooting and personal choice. I started out hunting with a 7mmRM, I’m having a 7WSM built at GAP and I’ve never looked back.

As a side note, just because one can shoot 1/2MOA or MOA out to 1K with a target bullet doesn’t necessarily mean they have a good hunting load. There are good target bullets and there are good hunting bullets but there are very few suited for both in my opinion. You may have a gnat’s ass shooting stick with a target bullet but is that bullet suited for terminal performance down range. If not, you better have a spotter to mark your shot while you walk out to pick up the blood trail.
 
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30-06. Its worked for many before to take anything in North America, it may not be the best for one type of hunting but it will do all well. My .02
Travis
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJoplin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Despite what I've done with them I would have to say that anything smaller than a 300 WM isn't a great choice beyond 800 on deer sized game. Inside of that it really doesn't matter. The 300 WM is probably the most versatile cartridge ever...... period. Nothing has it beat for an overall North American cartridge considering various customers, game requirements, and availability.

The problem at distance with anything smaller is you really aren't going to deliver the type of energy needed. If your shot is less than perfect you are in for a long day. I say go big...........within reason.

Before everyone gets their tail feathers ruffled b/c of what I said let me say this. I have shot a lot of stuff at extreme distances with lesser calibers. Yes it worked. No there isn't much room for error. There's the problem. I haven't seen a single match where a shooter shot a perfect score or really even above 90%. Therefor you are going to have little boo boo's here and there. When you do if you are swinging a big stick chances are you'll still be bringing home the bacon. </div></div>

There is it again, the .300WM keeps coming up. You could argue semantics about different calibers all day long (and every caliber stated is a great choice) but the .300WM works... everytime, and ammo is pentiful. The best all around, bang-for-your-buck cartridge out there IMO.

BTW - Jered, just got my bolt back from you last night, looks great. I'll let you know how everything works once I get it out to the range, thanks again
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M24sniper473</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which caliber should i get for elk, mule deer, bear, moose, and still want to do some whitetail hunting with the same gun. I want large bullet weight selection and reasonable ammo prices. Im open to all calibers you guys think but im debating on: 7mm mag, 300 win mag and 30-06. </div></div>
OK, I will admit up front that ammo prices are NOT reasonable, but the extended range and killing power of the 30-378 Weatherby Magnum and the 338-378 Weatherby Magnum are incredible. Those magnums based off the 378 Weatherby Magnum are truly ferocious and have very little competition in their arena.
 
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Over the years I have used a 7 mag, 300WM for LR.

Now I have a 300 WSM. I like it because of the short action, non belted case, & keeps up with the 300WM with up to 180 gr bullets with less powder & recoil.

I'm a small guy & see no need for a brake on a 300 WSM.

The 7 Rem mag & 300WM used to beat me up till I put a break on them. I am talking about sporter weight hunting rifles.

A well placed shot from a 300WSM should bring anything down when using the right bullet for the critter you are after.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: justme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now I have a 300 WSM. I like it because of the short action, non belted case, & keeps up with the 300WM with up to 180 gr bullets with less powder & recoil.
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The 300WSM keeps up with the 300WM in ANY bullet weight, the people who claim that it is only efficient up to 180gr. bullets are dead wrong.

Just look around here, there are people sending 200-210gr. rounds out of a 300WSM anywhere from 2900-3000fps, I am personally doing load development right now with 230gr. Berger Hybrids and with RL-22 am able to achieve close to 2750fps out of a 24" barrel.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rusty815</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: justme</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now I have a 300 WSM. I like it because of the short action, non belted case, & keeps up with the 300WM with up to 180 gr bullets with less powder & recoil.
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The 300WSM keeps up with the 300WM in ANY bullet weight, the people who claim that it is only efficient up to 180gr. bullets are dead wrong.

Just look around here, there are people sending 200-210gr. rounds out of a 300WSM anywhere from 2900-3000fps, I am personally doing load development right now with 230gr. Berger Hybrids and with RL-22 am able to achieve close to 2750fps out of a 24" barrel. </div></div>

I'll take your word on it. I've never tried anything over 180gr. Thats good to know.
 
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7mm WSM because of high BC berger hunting bullets which deliver enough energy downrange with tolerable recoil without a brake.
 
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7 saum is pretty sweet. Similar velocity as the wsm and 7mm mag with less powder and recoil. Lots of room in a LA to load high BC bergers out long.
 
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For white tails you don't need a magnum anything, (my current in progress white tail build is a 7-08) but if you are only going to have one rifle and you are going to shoot big stuff then you will shoot white tails with a magnum (my hunting partner loves his 300WSM).

I have a 7mmRM that I've carried out west, but if I were buying a rifle specifically for shooting bigger game I'd get a 300WM or a 300WSM.

One observation on the 7RSAUM for a hunting rifle, I seem to recall reading that it's no longer being sold as an off the shelf caliber. And in any case ammo would be hard to find.

My choices based on your list of target game would be 300WM, 300WSM or 7mmRM. I might consider the 7mmRM over the 300WSm for off the shelf ammo availability.
 
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My suggestion is the 30-06. Cheaper to shoot and easier on the shoulder than the 300 Win mag. With the choice of bullet weights available, it's all you will need.
 
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You should be able to push a 210 to ~2700 fps out of a 30-06, so that'll give you plenty long range and energy. Should be good out to 1300-1500 yds.
 
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There is a lot of good calibers out there. The 7mm Rem Mag is a great choice to pick, with the 168-180 grain bergers its pretty hard to beat. I currently have a 300. wsm which i love and shoot amazing and is another great choice and i would highly suggest you look into that. I am getting my first rifle built now and i choose the 300. win mag. I didn't want a rifle i needed to have a break due to noise yet enough power to successfully harvest big game at 1000 yards. I went with the win mag or the 7mm cause i like the 30 cal
 
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Jared has good advice but it depends how far you are going to shoot game. I'vs been into precision rifles for about 10 years now and I don't feel comfortable shooting game past about 450. Even though I've knocked over my share of steal at a 1000. 30-06 is my choice for hunting. 280 or 7mm WSM would be great too. Except for large bears.

If including bear 338 win or 375 H&H.
 
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I would say that to 1000 yards i would pick the 300 win mag for the list of game you are trying to take. I have a 7mm rem mag that i shoot the 162 amax in but i only use it on deer sized game. If I were to draw an elk take i would give the nod to my 338 edge.
 
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Hey guys,
I got a super deal on a winchester model 70 in 270 short mag. I just couldnt pass it up so i got it. Its one that made in new haven, ct also. What do you think about this caliber?
Thanks for the replies, M24sniper473
 
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It's a good round, but the bullet selection is just terrible. Also, you will have a really hard time finding factory ammunition for it. I love the short mags, but never really like the 270, even though it presents a new twist to the .277 class of rounds. If you reload, it will perform well, though, and you can resize 300WSM brass to 270WSM, but not 7WSM since for some reason, Winchester decided to change the dimentions of the 7WSM to distinguish it from the others.
 
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Thakfully, alot of people around here shoot that round, so the gun shop has a good supply. Only problem is its $40-$60 a box plus tax.
 
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No best caliber.

Buy a 308-based cartridge for the thin skin game.

Get a "magnum" for bigger critters and those with teeth.

If it were me? 260 and 338WM.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: M24sniper473</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Which caliber should i get for elk, mule deer, bear, moose, and still want to do some whitetail hunting with the same gun. I want large bullet weight selection and reasonable ammo prices. Im open to all calibers you guys think but im debating on: 7mm mag, 300 win mag and 30-06. </div></div>

Of the listed, I'd probably choose the 7mm Magnum, but personally I went for a .280 AI. My loads are about the same velocity as the 7mm Mag factory loads. Its a great round.
 
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I'd go 30-06 or 300 wm. For a non handloader, probably 30-06. 180 grain sst's for mule and whitetails, 180 interbonds for the rest. They will almost shoot the same poi.