Assuming that the Freeh Report is true and factual, What do you think?
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1: No, For the innocent players.
2: Yes, The guilty administrators for putting the program in front of the children.
1: No, For the innocent players.
2: Yes, The guilty administrators for putting the program in front of the children.
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No death penalty but a whole lot of prison time for a whole lot of people!
No death penalty but a whole lot of prison time for a whole lot of people!
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I'm still having a problem that Sandusky could fool police investigators in 1998 and his wife, but everyone else knew. Why isn't the wife culpable? Why is no one talking about her? What about the other family members? Are they all dupes?
I'm still having a problem that Sandusky could fool police investigators in 1998 and his wife, but everyone else knew. Why isn't the wife culpable? Why is no one talking about her? What about the other family members? Are they all dupes?
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I agree. She had to know something but she isn't the only one that has some answering to do.
This isn't over yet and I'll bet that we don't know the half of it. Remember Ray Gricar? District attorneys don't disappear for nothing.
I agree. She had to know something but she isn't the only one that has some answering to do.
This isn't over yet and I'll bet that we don't know the half of it. Remember Ray Gricar? District attorneys don't disappear for nothing.
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Give them the death penalty so all football revenue is lost. I hate to see the current players penalized but, the NCAA needs to drop the hammer on this one. Losing FB revenue combined with civil suits should get the point across.
Give them the death penalty so all football revenue is lost. I hate to see the current players penalized but, the NCAA needs to drop the hammer on this one. Losing FB revenue combined with civil suits should get the point across.
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This is fucking amazing. Punish people that had nothing to do with it(Kinda sounds like gun control mentality huh?).You find every piece of shit involved with it and when you know for sure what they did drop the hammer on them.It's called accountability when we go back to it the U.S.A. will be a better place.
This is fucking amazing. Punish people that had nothing to do with it(Kinda sounds like gun control mentality huh?).You find every piece of shit involved with it and when you know for sure what they did drop the hammer on them.It's called accountability when we go back to it the U.S.A. will be a better place.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree. She had to know something but she isn't the only one that has some answering to do.
This isn't over yet and I'll bet that we don't know the half of it. Remember Ray Gricar? District attorneys don't disappear for nothing. </div></div>
I agree 110 on Ray Gricar, how did a District Attorney disappear and his laptop winds up in the Susquehanna River?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree. She had to know something but she isn't the only one that has some answering to do.
This isn't over yet and I'll bet that we don't know the half of it. Remember Ray Gricar? District attorneys don't disappear for nothing. </div></div>
I agree 110 on Ray Gricar, how did a District Attorney disappear and his laptop winds up in the Susquehanna River?
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Sorry brother but I have to disagree wholeheartedly. When someone rapes someone and are found guilty, do you refrain from properly punishing them because they have children? No. If they have an elderly parent that depends on them? NO. If they volunteer time as a boy scout leader? NO.
This sucks for the players but they can go play somewhere else if the football program gets the death penalty. The collateral damage falls squarely on the person who initially commited the crime, not the governing body that lays down the punishment. Your reasoning regarding gun contol and accountability ins't even close. Punishing a program that ran a 14 year conspiracy at the cost of countless young boys is ACCOUNTABILITY. Truthfully I think that the board of trustees should shut down the FB program on thier own. As is shown by the Freeh Report, the FB program was bigger than the school, law, and moral reasoning. If PSU wants to really fix this they need to take a deep breath, back away from the FB program, and get back to a mentality that PSU is there to educate the youth and not for Saturday afternoons, which has been the mentality for many years now.
Sorry brother but I have to disagree wholeheartedly. When someone rapes someone and are found guilty, do you refrain from properly punishing them because they have children? No. If they have an elderly parent that depends on them? NO. If they volunteer time as a boy scout leader? NO.
This sucks for the players but they can go play somewhere else if the football program gets the death penalty. The collateral damage falls squarely on the person who initially commited the crime, not the governing body that lays down the punishment. Your reasoning regarding gun contol and accountability ins't even close. Punishing a program that ran a 14 year conspiracy at the cost of countless young boys is ACCOUNTABILITY. Truthfully I think that the board of trustees should shut down the FB program on thier own. As is shown by the Freeh Report, the FB program was bigger than the school, law, and moral reasoning. If PSU wants to really fix this they need to take a deep breath, back away from the FB program, and get back to a mentality that PSU is there to educate the youth and not for Saturday afternoons, which has been the mentality for many years now.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry brother but I have to disagree wholeheartedly. When someone rapes someone and are found guilty, do you refrain from properly punishing them because they have children? No. If they have an elderly parent that depends on them? NO. If they volunteer time as a boy scout leader? NO.
This sucks for the players but they can go play somewhere else if the football program gets the death penalty. The collateral damage falls squarely on the person who initially commited the crime, not the governing body that lays down the punishment. Your reasoning regarding gun contol and accountability ins't even close. Punishing a program that ran a 14 year conspiracy at the cost of countless young boys is ACCOUNTABILITY. Truthfully I think that the board of trustees should shut down the FB program on thier own. As is shown by the Freeh Report, the FB program was bigger than the school, law, and moral reasoning. If PSU wants to really fix this they need to take a deep breath, back away from the FB program, and get back to a mentality that PSU is there to educate the youth and not for Saturday afternoons, which has been the mentality for many years now.
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Well put. I completely agree.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry brother but I have to disagree wholeheartedly. When someone rapes someone and are found guilty, do you refrain from properly punishing them because they have children? No. If they have an elderly parent that depends on them? NO. If they volunteer time as a boy scout leader? NO.
This sucks for the players but they can go play somewhere else if the football program gets the death penalty. The collateral damage falls squarely on the person who initially commited the crime, not the governing body that lays down the punishment. Your reasoning regarding gun contol and accountability ins't even close. Punishing a program that ran a 14 year conspiracy at the cost of countless young boys is ACCOUNTABILITY. Truthfully I think that the board of trustees should shut down the FB program on thier own. As is shown by the Freeh Report, the FB program was bigger than the school, law, and moral reasoning. If PSU wants to really fix this they need to take a deep breath, back away from the FB program, and get back to a mentality that PSU is there to educate the youth and not for Saturday afternoons, which has been the mentality for many years now.
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Well put. I completely agree.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry brother but I have to disagree wholeheartedly. When someone rapes someone and are found guilty, do you refrain from properly punishing them because they have children? No. If they have an elderly parent that depends on them? NO. If they volunteer time as a boy scout leader? NO.
This sucks for the players but they can go play somewhere else if the football program gets the death penalty. The collateral damage falls squarely on the person who initially commited the crime, not the governing body that lays down the punishment. Your reasoning regarding gun contol and accountability ins't even close. Punishing a program that ran a 14 year conspiracy at the cost of countless young boys is ACCOUNTABILITY. Truthfully I think that the board of trustees should shut down the FB program on thier own. As is shown by the Freeh Report, the FB program was bigger than the school, law, and moral reasoning. If PSU wants to really fix this they need to take a deep breath, back away from the FB program, and get back to a mentality that PSU is there to educate the youth and not for Saturday afternoons, which has been the mentality for many years now.
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I couldn't disagree more.All those people that spent their whole lives to be in that program will be screwed.Those teams are put together years in advance a few may find a new home most won't.
It is just like gun control mentality you want to punish the whole for the misdeeds of a few.As I clearly stated anyone who had ANYTHING to do with this should be HammerFucked.Plenty of good coaches and staff out there to replace the shit bags.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jeo556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry brother but I have to disagree wholeheartedly. When someone rapes someone and are found guilty, do you refrain from properly punishing them because they have children? No. If they have an elderly parent that depends on them? NO. If they volunteer time as a boy scout leader? NO.
This sucks for the players but they can go play somewhere else if the football program gets the death penalty. The collateral damage falls squarely on the person who initially commited the crime, not the governing body that lays down the punishment. Your reasoning regarding gun contol and accountability ins't even close. Punishing a program that ran a 14 year conspiracy at the cost of countless young boys is ACCOUNTABILITY. Truthfully I think that the board of trustees should shut down the FB program on thier own. As is shown by the Freeh Report, the FB program was bigger than the school, law, and moral reasoning. If PSU wants to really fix this they need to take a deep breath, back away from the FB program, and get back to a mentality that PSU is there to educate the youth and not for Saturday afternoons, which has been the mentality for many years now.
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I couldn't disagree more.All those people that spent their whole lives to be in that program will be screwed.Those teams are put together years in advance a few may find a new home most won't.
It is just like gun control mentality you want to punish the whole for the misdeeds of a few.As I clearly stated anyone who had ANYTHING to do with this should be HammerFucked.Plenty of good coaches and staff out there to replace the shit bags.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I couldn't disagree more.All those people that spent their whole lives to be in that program will be screwed.Those teams are put together years in advance a few may find a new home most won't.
It is just like gun control mentality you want to punish the whole for the misdeeds of a few.As I clearly stated anyone who had ANYTHING to do with this should be HammerFucked.Plenty of good coaches and staff out there to replace the shit bags. </div></div>
BS. They may have spent their entire lives HOPING to go to PSU but they'll be more than happy to take their football somewhere else. Most likely the scholarship athletes were recruited by more than one school and I can just about guarantee the NCAA will waive any requirement for them to sit out an year. They'll be able to transfer to another school with zero penalty and no loss of eligibility. The non-scholarship athletes were probably lucky to be there in the first place. Sure, it sucks but its far from life ruining for the innocent.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I couldn't disagree more.All those people that spent their whole lives to be in that program will be screwed.Those teams are put together years in advance a few may find a new home most won't.
It is just like gun control mentality you want to punish the whole for the misdeeds of a few.As I clearly stated anyone who had ANYTHING to do with this should be HammerFucked.Plenty of good coaches and staff out there to replace the shit bags. </div></div>
BS. They may have spent their entire lives HOPING to go to PSU but they'll be more than happy to take their football somewhere else. Most likely the scholarship athletes were recruited by more than one school and I can just about guarantee the NCAA will waive any requirement for them to sit out an year. They'll be able to transfer to another school with zero penalty and no loss of eligibility. The non-scholarship athletes were probably lucky to be there in the first place. Sure, it sucks but its far from life ruining for the innocent.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I couldn't disagree more.All those people that spent their whole lives to be in that program will be screwed.Those teams are put together years in advance a few may find a new home most won't.
It is just like gun control mentality you want to punish the whole for the misdeeds of a few.As I clearly stated anyone who had ANYTHING to do with this should be HammerFucked.Plenty of good coaches and staff out there to replace the shit bags. </div></div>
BS. They may have spent their entire lives HOPING to go to PSU but they'll be more than happy to take their football somewhere else. Most likely the scholarship athletes were recruited by more than one school and I can just about guarantee the NCAA will waive any requirement for them to sit out an year. They'll be able to transfer to another school with zero penalty and no loss of eligibility. The non-scholarship athletes were probably lucky to be there in the first place. Sure, it sucks but its far from life ruining for the innocent. </div></div>
I wasn't reffering to just PSU but guys who trained their whole lives to pursue a FB carrier.
So for simple math you have 10 schools with 30 players each.And all of a sudden you take away a team you loose 30 slots.So someone is gonna loose.
It's simple to me you don't punish someone who did nothing for no reason.I still don't see whats wrong with cleaning house of the guilty and putting in hew staff.
All this and I could give two shits about football in any form.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dmg308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I couldn't disagree more.All those people that spent their whole lives to be in that program will be screwed.Those teams are put together years in advance a few may find a new home most won't.
It is just like gun control mentality you want to punish the whole for the misdeeds of a few.As I clearly stated anyone who had ANYTHING to do with this should be HammerFucked.Plenty of good coaches and staff out there to replace the shit bags. </div></div>
BS. They may have spent their entire lives HOPING to go to PSU but they'll be more than happy to take their football somewhere else. Most likely the scholarship athletes were recruited by more than one school and I can just about guarantee the NCAA will waive any requirement for them to sit out an year. They'll be able to transfer to another school with zero penalty and no loss of eligibility. The non-scholarship athletes were probably lucky to be there in the first place. Sure, it sucks but its far from life ruining for the innocent. </div></div>
I wasn't reffering to just PSU but guys who trained their whole lives to pursue a FB carrier.
So for simple math you have 10 schools with 30 players each.And all of a sudden you take away a team you loose 30 slots.So someone is gonna loose.
It's simple to me you don't punish someone who did nothing for no reason.I still don't see whats wrong with cleaning house of the guilty and putting in hew staff.
All this and I could give two shits about football in any form.
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The university covered this up and you can't tell me the trustees didn't hear rumblings about Sandusky before this all broke. The powers that be knew or heard something and did nothing.
Yes, the current players suffer if the death penalty happens but when has the NCAA given two shits about the kids? It's all about the money and that's why you have to hit PSU where it hurts. Take away FB revenues, that gets the point across.
The university covered this up and you can't tell me the trustees didn't hear rumblings about Sandusky before this all broke. The powers that be knew or heard something and did nothing.
Yes, the current players suffer if the death penalty happens but when has the NCAA given two shits about the kids? It's all about the money and that's why you have to hit PSU where it hurts. Take away FB revenues, that gets the point across.
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The Players can get letters to transfer with out the lose of eligibility. BUT the Program must die....The way Federal Law reads Penn may not get any more federal student loans. That is the death of the School.
The Players can get letters to transfer with out the lose of eligibility. BUT the Program must die....The way Federal Law reads Penn may not get any more federal student loans. That is the death of the School.
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Why all the comparisons to gun control? This is more like capitalism in play.
When a company hides things all the way at the top, and then get found out, and the company gets shut down: does it suck for the employees who had no idea and just punched their 2nd or 3rd string, or even 1st string card? Sure.
But let's be honest, the lives of children were pushed aside for profit in a disordered manner to further and retain the prestige of the PSU FB program.
Gun control analogy would only work if we were seeing demands for the program to be shut down because of fears that everyone was a potential Chester.
Instead the reality is a breaking of the law and a cleaning out with whatever consequences follow, at multiple levels.
Why all the comparisons to gun control? This is more like capitalism in play.
When a company hides things all the way at the top, and then get found out, and the company gets shut down: does it suck for the employees who had no idea and just punched their 2nd or 3rd string, or even 1st string card? Sure.
But let's be honest, the lives of children were pushed aside for profit in a disordered manner to further and retain the prestige of the PSU FB program.
Gun control analogy would only work if we were seeing demands for the program to be shut down because of fears that everyone was a potential Chester.
Instead the reality is a breaking of the law and a cleaning out with whatever consequences follow, at multiple levels.
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There's a petition for anyone that thinks Penn St should get the Death Penalty. It sends an email to the NCAA's presidents office with every signature
http://ftrsports.com/blackout-the-whiteout-petition-for-ncaa-to-shut-down-psu-football/
There's a petition for anyone that thinks Penn St should get the Death Penalty. It sends an email to the NCAA's presidents office with every signature
http://ftrsports.com/blackout-the-whiteout-petition-for-ncaa-to-shut-down-psu-football/
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Saw a commentator the other day who, I thought, made a lot of sense on this.
He recommended some very severe penalties... that would start in 4 years. That way current Penn State students/players would not get punished for things they had no control over. And those thinking about attending Penn State or who were looking at the football program (or the school after losing huge revenues) would have 4 years to look elsewhere and make decisions, transfer, etc.
There are at least 100K students (and a bunch of athletes) at that state-wide school who shouldn't have to pay for something their administrators and coaches covered up.
As for administrators and people who covered it up... throw the book at 'em. Criminally and in civil court...
I'm not a major sports follower, but this made some sense to me. Sandusky... may he have a great time in some general prison population, hopefully in the clutches of heavily-tattooed gentlemen who once loved Penn State Football. From assistant coach to tight end to wide receiver, all in one season...
Cheers,
Sirhr
Saw a commentator the other day who, I thought, made a lot of sense on this.
He recommended some very severe penalties... that would start in 4 years. That way current Penn State students/players would not get punished for things they had no control over. And those thinking about attending Penn State or who were looking at the football program (or the school after losing huge revenues) would have 4 years to look elsewhere and make decisions, transfer, etc.
There are at least 100K students (and a bunch of athletes) at that state-wide school who shouldn't have to pay for something their administrators and coaches covered up.
As for administrators and people who covered it up... throw the book at 'em. Criminally and in civil court...
I'm not a major sports follower, but this made some sense to me. Sandusky... may he have a great time in some general prison population, hopefully in the clutches of heavily-tattooed gentlemen who once loved Penn State Football. From assistant coach to tight end to wide receiver, all in one season...
Cheers,
Sirhr
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Our UW has a similar scandal going on with former associate athletic director John Chadima. The UW is investigating itself and no law enforcement involved. At least 3 victims have come forward and still no charges against him.
This is what the latest report said about John Chadima ""John is not entirely without fault and human frailties, but he has paid a dreadfully disproportionate price," Giesen said in the statement."
I'm of the opinion that from trustees to the waterboy should be let go. These creeps are being protected and plausible deniability doesn't cut it. There's too much of this crap going on in our educational system... drain the swamp!
Our UW has a similar scandal going on with former associate athletic director John Chadima. The UW is investigating itself and no law enforcement involved. At least 3 victims have come forward and still no charges against him.
This is what the latest report said about John Chadima ""John is not entirely without fault and human frailties, but he has paid a dreadfully disproportionate price," Giesen said in the statement."
I'm of the opinion that from trustees to the waterboy should be let go. These creeps are being protected and plausible deniability doesn't cut it. There's too much of this crap going on in our educational system... drain the swamp!
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The death penalty is what Sandusky deserves.....literally. And everyone else involved in keeping him under cover needs to be punished, severely.
Cocksucker's lucky one of those boys wasn't my son......
The death penalty is what Sandusky deserves.....literally. And everyone else involved in keeping him under cover needs to be punished, severely.
Cocksucker's lucky one of those boys wasn't my son......
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Tough call. The NCAA death penalty hurts so many innocent players.
I would set aside 10% of all football revenues and use the ten years to find anyone and everyone in the University system who had knowledge of these atrocities, and prosecute them for conspiracy to commit child abuse..
Tough call. The NCAA death penalty hurts so many innocent players.
I would set aside 10% of all football revenues and use the ten years to find anyone and everyone in the University system who had knowledge of these atrocities, and prosecute them for conspiracy to commit child abuse..
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The problem with giving the death penalty to the football program is, It pays for all of the sports. If football is gone so is lacrosse, swimming, tennis, etc... That is why you never see a football program done away with. (except SMU)
The sad truth is, money trumps all. They will punish the program somewhat, and the people involved. In 5 years things will be back normal.
The problem with giving the death penalty to the football program is, It pays for all of the sports. If football is gone so is lacrosse, swimming, tennis, etc... That is why you never see a football program done away with. (except SMU)
The sad truth is, money trumps all. They will punish the program somewhat, and the people involved. In 5 years things will be back normal.
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I'm not sure if I'm hesitant to admit this or not, but truthfully I could not care less about the unfairness to the current players. Like I mention in my earlier posts, when someone does something illegal and there is "collateral damage" I think that the original guilty party is to blame for said "collateral damage". I would also point out, that if the FB program isn't punished in some way then it's business as usual for a FB program that was clearly operating outside the rules for some time.
Also noteworthy, I believe, is that the Freeh Report called out the PSU Board of Trustee's stating that they were essentially asleep at the wheel and that there were no checks and balances like is standard for this type of governing board. So how does this BOT learn a lesson, by letting this go away quitely? Or by hitting PSU in the wallet to the tune of a whole season's(maybe more) football revenue losses?
I'm just really shocked that the major concern of so many people is welfare of the current players, and not the young boys. What do you think will go through their minds when, after this monster is exposed, and it's pretty clear that there was a significant conspiracy to cover for this monster, the FB program goes on without so much as as hiccup.
What if it were your child? Tell me with a straight face that you wouldn't want the FB program to get the death penalty?
If you can still say no I'd hate to be one of your poker playing buddies.
I'm not sure if I'm hesitant to admit this or not, but truthfully I could not care less about the unfairness to the current players. Like I mention in my earlier posts, when someone does something illegal and there is "collateral damage" I think that the original guilty party is to blame for said "collateral damage". I would also point out, that if the FB program isn't punished in some way then it's business as usual for a FB program that was clearly operating outside the rules for some time.
Also noteworthy, I believe, is that the Freeh Report called out the PSU Board of Trustee's stating that they were essentially asleep at the wheel and that there were no checks and balances like is standard for this type of governing board. So how does this BOT learn a lesson, by letting this go away quitely? Or by hitting PSU in the wallet to the tune of a whole season's(maybe more) football revenue losses?
I'm just really shocked that the major concern of so many people is welfare of the current players, and not the young boys. What do you think will go through their minds when, after this monster is exposed, and it's pretty clear that there was a significant conspiracy to cover for this monster, the FB program goes on without so much as as hiccup.
What if it were your child? Tell me with a straight face that you wouldn't want the FB program to get the death penalty?
If you can still say no I'd hate to be one of your poker playing buddies.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The death penalty is what Sandusky deserves.....literally. And everyone else involved in keeping him under cover needs to be punished, severely.
Cocksucker's lucky one of those boys wasn't my son...... </div></div>
Agreed 100 % !!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The death penalty is what Sandusky deserves.....literally. And everyone else involved in keeping him under cover needs to be punished, severely.
Cocksucker's lucky one of those boys wasn't my son...... </div></div>
Agreed 100 % !!
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I liken this to the excuse that some people come up with when some dirt bag is shot to death trying to steal a bike, or tv, etc. They say "was it worth that young mans life to kill him over a bike?"
My response to that is: the dirtbag is the one who decided his life was worth the bike, and he lost, too bad. If he'd been home in bed sleeping so he could get up tomorrow and go to work then this wouldn't have happened.
If the people involved gave a damn about the future players and students who might be affected with a college death penalty then they should have cleaned house as soon as it came to light because they had to know that that was a possibility should it get to the public.
There are far too many of these peodophiles and child abusers getting away with ruining the lives of innocent children today. In my mind there are not many crimes that compare with destroying a childs future before it even gets started.
I wouldn't wish the death penalty on Sandusky and the scum who allowed him to continue. If he were killed, then it's over immediately, unlike the lives of the victims who have to deal with this the rest of their lives.
There are far better punishments than that that I could come up with.
I liken this to the excuse that some people come up with when some dirt bag is shot to death trying to steal a bike, or tv, etc. They say "was it worth that young mans life to kill him over a bike?"
My response to that is: the dirtbag is the one who decided his life was worth the bike, and he lost, too bad. If he'd been home in bed sleeping so he could get up tomorrow and go to work then this wouldn't have happened.
If the people involved gave a damn about the future players and students who might be affected with a college death penalty then they should have cleaned house as soon as it came to light because they had to know that that was a possibility should it get to the public.
There are far too many of these peodophiles and child abusers getting away with ruining the lives of innocent children today. In my mind there are not many crimes that compare with destroying a childs future before it even gets started.
I wouldn't wish the death penalty on Sandusky and the scum who allowed him to continue. If he were killed, then it's over immediately, unlike the lives of the victims who have to deal with this the rest of their lives.
There are far better punishments than that that I could come up with.
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If the NCAA doesn't give Penn State the death penalty they are setting up a precedence that is utterly disgusting. They would be basically saying that it is ok for colleges to cover up this kind of stuff as long as it preserves their football programs.
People are right that taking football away from Penn State is going to cost the university huge money and it will have a huge impact on its players and students. But that is exactly what Penn State needs right now. Penn State, both staff and students have established a culture there where football is everything. This culture is directly responsible creating the environment where this cover up was made possible. Joe Paterno was the god on that campus and you can see that in the statues, painting, etc. He says he passed it on to his "superiors", but any one who believes that is just missing the point. Joe Paterno didn't have any superiors on that campus. While he may have had people above him in the chain, Joe Paterno was the superior man on that campus.
With out the death penalty, the culture where Joe Paterno is a god and where football comes first before all (laws, rules, ethics, and morals) is just going to move forward. If you don't believe me talk to a group of people from Penn State. I work with a hand full of people that went there and they still believe Joe didn't do anything wrong and that he shouldn't have been let go.
I think the university needs to stand up and rather than covering their asses, just say OK we get it and it will never happen again. I really wish the Paterno family would do the same. Rather than spending all this money fighting the report, why don't they put some of that effort to fighting child predators. Its just sad.
If the NCAA doesn't give Penn State the death penalty they are setting up a precedence that is utterly disgusting. They would be basically saying that it is ok for colleges to cover up this kind of stuff as long as it preserves their football programs.
People are right that taking football away from Penn State is going to cost the university huge money and it will have a huge impact on its players and students. But that is exactly what Penn State needs right now. Penn State, both staff and students have established a culture there where football is everything. This culture is directly responsible creating the environment where this cover up was made possible. Joe Paterno was the god on that campus and you can see that in the statues, painting, etc. He says he passed it on to his "superiors", but any one who believes that is just missing the point. Joe Paterno didn't have any superiors on that campus. While he may have had people above him in the chain, Joe Paterno was the superior man on that campus.
With out the death penalty, the culture where Joe Paterno is a god and where football comes first before all (laws, rules, ethics, and morals) is just going to move forward. If you don't believe me talk to a group of people from Penn State. I work with a hand full of people that went there and they still believe Joe didn't do anything wrong and that he shouldn't have been let go.
I think the university needs to stand up and rather than covering their asses, just say OK we get it and it will never happen again. I really wish the Paterno family would do the same. Rather than spending all this money fighting the report, why don't they put some of that effort to fighting child predators. Its just sad.
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Since when has the NCAA ever cared about the current program? In almost every instance of punishment the perpetrators are long gone, USC, SMU, Bama etc.. The VAST MAJORITY of punishments affect the innocent ones that came after the crime.
Since when has the NCAA ever cared about the current program? In almost every instance of punishment the perpetrators are long gone, USC, SMU, Bama etc.. The VAST MAJORITY of punishments affect the innocent ones that came after the crime.
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I can see how the death penalty will probably increase university oversight across the country (no one wants to lose that kind of cash), but will it increase oversight more than throwing the book at administrators that covered it up?
I usually look at things from a utilitarian point of view and I'm not convinced that the death penalty will be that much more effective in preventing the same situation at another school. Combine that with the negative effects on the other sports programs, students, present, and future, and I don't think that the death penalty is the correct course.
I am all for throwing every one of the collaborators in jail for a LONG time, but punishing thousands (through reduced scholarships and increased tuition) of uninvolved students is not fair to them.
I realize I'm putting faith in a justice system that can't even convict Casey Anthony to jail which really has me conflicted. If no death penalty is levied and the collaborators get off then I don't see there being a strong enough incentive to NOT repeat this situation. The rewards will then outweigh the risks.
In short, I don't envy the NCAA right now. They're in a mighty big shit-pickle.
I can see how the death penalty will probably increase university oversight across the country (no one wants to lose that kind of cash), but will it increase oversight more than throwing the book at administrators that covered it up?
I usually look at things from a utilitarian point of view and I'm not convinced that the death penalty will be that much more effective in preventing the same situation at another school. Combine that with the negative effects on the other sports programs, students, present, and future, and I don't think that the death penalty is the correct course.
I am all for throwing every one of the collaborators in jail for a LONG time, but punishing thousands (through reduced scholarships and increased tuition) of uninvolved students is not fair to them.
I realize I'm putting faith in a justice system that can't even convict Casey Anthony to jail which really has me conflicted. If no death penalty is levied and the collaborators get off then I don't see there being a strong enough incentive to NOT repeat this situation. The rewards will then outweigh the risks.
In short, I don't envy the NCAA right now. They're in a mighty big shit-pickle.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The death penalty is what Sandusky deserves.....literally. And everyone else involved in keeping him under cover needs to be punished, severely.
Cocksucker's lucky one of those boys wasn't my son...... </div></div>
What he Said...!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The death penalty is what Sandusky deserves.....literally. And everyone else involved in keeping him under cover needs to be punished, severely.
Cocksucker's lucky one of those boys wasn't my son...... </div></div>
What he Said...!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage 10fp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
With out the death penalty, the culture where Joe Paterno is a god and where football comes first before all (laws, rules, ethics, and morals) is just going to move forward. If you don't believe me talk to a group of people from Penn State. I work with a hand full of people that went there and they still believe Joe didn't do anything wrong and that he shouldn't have been let go. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Savage 10fp</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
With out the death penalty, the culture where Joe Paterno is a god and where football comes first before all (laws, rules, ethics, and morals) is just going to move forward. If you don't believe me talk to a group of people from Penn State. I work with a hand full of people that went there and they still believe Joe didn't do anything wrong and that he shouldn't have been let go. </div></div>
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I am /was a PSU fan from childhood. I am extremely divided on the death penalty. I want to see it becuase of how bad this all is but at the same time I don't think people understand the magnitude of what a dealth penalty would do to not only sports but the school itself. PSU football actually pays for every sports program at PSU except Basketball. It also then poors tons of money into the university itself. Think student aid, maintenance, professors etc. You take football away you take all those things with it. You are punishing not just the football program but the whole university that had no part to do with it. You will take a school that is a very good academic school and tear it down for the actions or inactions of a handful. And you know lawsuits are coming from the families. How are those gonna be paid? No football program, no money unfortunately....except tax payer money.
Yes it was absolutely despicable but I don't know I would give it the death penalty. Maybe still really thinking about it. Becuase at the same time I think other penalties would be better. Just seems to make more sense to specifically go after the football program itself and try to minimize collateral damage. People argue that the death penalty would send a message. A message of what? People know that you aren't suppose to be doing that shit. The SMU death penalty didn't stop schools from allowing kids to get money....it just got people to hide it better.
I don't know what should happen. Maybe give it a one year death penalty in reaction to the severity but no more. Then some kind of other penalties going forward. I don't even know...situation disgusts me.
I am /was a PSU fan from childhood. I am extremely divided on the death penalty. I want to see it becuase of how bad this all is but at the same time I don't think people understand the magnitude of what a dealth penalty would do to not only sports but the school itself. PSU football actually pays for every sports program at PSU except Basketball. It also then poors tons of money into the university itself. Think student aid, maintenance, professors etc. You take football away you take all those things with it. You are punishing not just the football program but the whole university that had no part to do with it. You will take a school that is a very good academic school and tear it down for the actions or inactions of a handful. And you know lawsuits are coming from the families. How are those gonna be paid? No football program, no money unfortunately....except tax payer money.
Yes it was absolutely despicable but I don't know I would give it the death penalty. Maybe still really thinking about it. Becuase at the same time I think other penalties would be better. Just seems to make more sense to specifically go after the football program itself and try to minimize collateral damage. People argue that the death penalty would send a message. A message of what? People know that you aren't suppose to be doing that shit. The SMU death penalty didn't stop schools from allowing kids to get money....it just got people to hide it better.
I don't know what should happen. Maybe give it a one year death penalty in reaction to the severity but no more. Then some kind of other penalties going forward. I don't even know...situation disgusts me.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anthony20031</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are punishing not just the football program but the whole university that had no part to do with it. You will take a school that is a very good academic school and tear it down for the actions or inactions of a handful. </div></div>
I would respectfully disagree with this logic. It was the university as a whole who has participated in this "football" culture for so long and it seems still is. It was this culture that enabled a child predator to come in and run his scheme for decades. Sandusky hid behind the cloak of football at Penn State and did unimaginable things to way to many kids. But due to the fact that he was involved with the football program, nothing was done to stop the horrible things from happening. The university leadership responsible chose football over the right thing.
Yes the collateral damage from shutting the football program will be unfortunate, but the university needs to be knocked down a peg or two. Sometimes collateral damage is unavoidable. I feel like doing nothing for fear of collateral damage would be irresponsible. So what are the options other than the death penalty? Fines, restrictions on play (bowl games). Once could argue that any thing done at this point would be "unfair" but it is apparent that something needs to be done because like I said, this culture needs to change. At the end of the day, it is disgusting that something is built up so big that it supersedes justice for a child predator.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anthony20031</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are punishing not just the football program but the whole university that had no part to do with it. You will take a school that is a very good academic school and tear it down for the actions or inactions of a handful. </div></div>
I would respectfully disagree with this logic. It was the university as a whole who has participated in this "football" culture for so long and it seems still is. It was this culture that enabled a child predator to come in and run his scheme for decades. Sandusky hid behind the cloak of football at Penn State and did unimaginable things to way to many kids. But due to the fact that he was involved with the football program, nothing was done to stop the horrible things from happening. The university leadership responsible chose football over the right thing.
Yes the collateral damage from shutting the football program will be unfortunate, but the university needs to be knocked down a peg or two. Sometimes collateral damage is unavoidable. I feel like doing nothing for fear of collateral damage would be irresponsible. So what are the options other than the death penalty? Fines, restrictions on play (bowl games). Once could argue that any thing done at this point would be "unfair" but it is apparent that something needs to be done because like I said, this culture needs to change. At the end of the day, it is disgusting that something is built up so big that it supersedes justice for a child predator.
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Going to college is about getting an education first and the sports should come second. Unfortunately a lot of good students are passed over for those getting a full ride for sports. It's ok if the student has the grades to get there in the first place, but what about those that get admitted just because they can play football?
I had a kid who was going to Penn State work for me one summer. Well, he worked for me untill I fired him. He was lazy, and dumber than a box of rocks. In fact he could barely sign his name on the application. He was getting a full ride at Penn State because he was a hell of a football player, nothing more. How did he maintain his grades you ask? Well what do you think? Like I said he was lazy and stupid but he was a hell of a football player so they made exceptions and did what they had to maintain his eligilbility.
Yep, I'm all for giving Penn State the death penality and any other school that does the same thing.
Going to college is about getting an education first and the sports should come second. Unfortunately a lot of good students are passed over for those getting a full ride for sports. It's ok if the student has the grades to get there in the first place, but what about those that get admitted just because they can play football?
I had a kid who was going to Penn State work for me one summer. Well, he worked for me untill I fired him. He was lazy, and dumber than a box of rocks. In fact he could barely sign his name on the application. He was getting a full ride at Penn State because he was a hell of a football player, nothing more. How did he maintain his grades you ask? Well what do you think? Like I said he was lazy and stupid but he was a hell of a football player so they made exceptions and did what they had to maintain his eligilbility.
Yep, I'm all for giving Penn State the death penality and any other school that does the same thing.
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So the NCAA released thier action against Penn State this morning. It includes:
$60 Million Fine
No post season play for 4 years
The loss of 10 football scholarships for the next 4 years.
Every win since 1998 has been stripped.
So Joe Paterno has been stripped from the most wins for a coach in the NCAA and none of the football players will be redshirted if they choose to transfer. So realistically I think this is worse than the death penalty. This will probably knock down the Penn State football program for quite a while. Plus if the football program only makes $50 million a year (which some sources say) than this is much worst than the death penalty. It will be quite a while before Penn State is a football powerhouse again. I must say I'm glad to see that the NCAA didn't take this situation lightly.
Do you think the action was appropriate?
So the NCAA released thier action against Penn State this morning. It includes:
$60 Million Fine
No post season play for 4 years
The loss of 10 football scholarships for the next 4 years.
Every win since 1998 has been stripped.
So Joe Paterno has been stripped from the most wins for a coach in the NCAA and none of the football players will be redshirted if they choose to transfer. So realistically I think this is worse than the death penalty. This will probably knock down the Penn State football program for quite a while. Plus if the football program only makes $50 million a year (which some sources say) than this is much worst than the death penalty. It will be quite a while before Penn State is a football powerhouse again. I must say I'm glad to see that the NCAA didn't take this situation lightly.
Do you think the action was appropriate?
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I believe the program needed punishment, BUT... punishing the current players I believe is the wrong message.
Most if NOT all of the currently players were toddlers when this was going on...
In the end... Joe P got out easy... and Sundusky will pay eventually.. This action just punishes the fans and current members of the team.
It will be interesting to see what else comes out of this ruling.
I believe the program needed punishment, BUT... punishing the current players I believe is the wrong message.
Most if NOT all of the currently players were toddlers when this was going on...
In the end... Joe P got out easy... and Sundusky will pay eventually.. This action just punishes the fans and current members of the team.
It will be interesting to see what else comes out of this ruling.
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The rest of the story:
INDIANAPOLIS – The NCAA took unprecedented actions against Penn State on Monday in response to the Jerry Sandusky child sexual molestation scandal, fining the school $60 million, cutting scholarships for four years, imposing a four-year postseason ban and vacating all wins from 1998-2011.
Vacating the wins means the late Joe Paterno no longer is the winningest major college football coach in history.
The actions were unprecedented both for their severity and how they unfolded. The normal NCAA enforcement process did not take place. Instead, NCAA president Mark Emmert gained approval from the board of directors for the penalties. The board is made up of 22 college presidents and chancellors.
Edward J. Ray, the NCAA executive committee chairman and president of Oregon State, said, "Not only does the NCAA have the authority to act in this case, we also have the responsibility."
Ray cited the Sandusky criminal investigation and the recently released Freeh Commission report as reasons for the NCAA actions. Ray noted that Penn State commissioned the Freeh report and agreed with the findings.
[Related: Eric Adelson: Paterno statue debate misses the point]
<span style="color: #990000">The $60 million fine, which Emmert said equaled one year of gross revenue from the football team, will be used to establish an endowment to help child sexual abuse victims.
NCAA president Mark Emmert (Getty Images)"No price the NCAA can levy with repair the damage inflicted by Jerry Sandusky on his victims," Emmert said. </span>
Penn State will be banned from the postseason for four years, which includes the Big Ten championship game and any bowl appearance. Initial scholarships have been reduced to 15 from 25 for four years; that means Penn State can sign just 15 recruits a year for four years. In addition, any player can transfer immediately without sitting out a year.
Emmert said Penn State has signed a consent decree in regard to the penalties, and he said the NCAA will work with Penn State to make sure the school implements the procedures called for by the NCAA.
Sandusky, a former Penn State defensive coordinator, was convicted of 45 counts of child molestation and is awaiting sentencing. Civil suits on behalf of Sandusky's victims are expected, and legal experts say Penn State could be liable for tens of millions of dollars.
The rest of the story:
INDIANAPOLIS – The NCAA took unprecedented actions against Penn State on Monday in response to the Jerry Sandusky child sexual molestation scandal, fining the school $60 million, cutting scholarships for four years, imposing a four-year postseason ban and vacating all wins from 1998-2011.
Vacating the wins means the late Joe Paterno no longer is the winningest major college football coach in history.
The actions were unprecedented both for their severity and how they unfolded. The normal NCAA enforcement process did not take place. Instead, NCAA president Mark Emmert gained approval from the board of directors for the penalties. The board is made up of 22 college presidents and chancellors.
Edward J. Ray, the NCAA executive committee chairman and president of Oregon State, said, "Not only does the NCAA have the authority to act in this case, we also have the responsibility."
Ray cited the Sandusky criminal investigation and the recently released Freeh Commission report as reasons for the NCAA actions. Ray noted that Penn State commissioned the Freeh report and agreed with the findings.
[Related: Eric Adelson: Paterno statue debate misses the point]
<span style="color: #990000">The $60 million fine, which Emmert said equaled one year of gross revenue from the football team, will be used to establish an endowment to help child sexual abuse victims.
NCAA president Mark Emmert (Getty Images)"No price the NCAA can levy with repair the damage inflicted by Jerry Sandusky on his victims," Emmert said. </span>
Penn State will be banned from the postseason for four years, which includes the Big Ten championship game and any bowl appearance. Initial scholarships have been reduced to 15 from 25 for four years; that means Penn State can sign just 15 recruits a year for four years. In addition, any player can transfer immediately without sitting out a year.
Emmert said Penn State has signed a consent decree in regard to the penalties, and he said the NCAA will work with Penn State to make sure the school implements the procedures called for by the NCAA.
Sandusky, a former Penn State defensive coordinator, was convicted of 45 counts of child molestation and is awaiting sentencing. Civil suits on behalf of Sandusky's victims are expected, and legal experts say Penn State could be liable for tens of millions of dollars.
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So my original post was edited to reflect the fact that only 10 scholarships were cut. Its so funny, I read the article from 3 different news outlets which all said that there were 20 cut for 4 years. FoxNews, Cnn, and the AP... FAIL.
But either way I'm really glad to see that the NCAA is taking the fine funds and putting it back into the helping victims. If only the Paterno family could take a similar road instead of preserving a legacy that is not only diminished, but is tarnished beyond repair. I also really like the processes and procedures they are putting in place to kill the type of culture that allowed to have this happen in the first place. I'm actually really impressed with how the NCAA handled this situation.
So my original post was edited to reflect the fact that only 10 scholarships were cut. Its so funny, I read the article from 3 different news outlets which all said that there were 20 cut for 4 years. FoxNews, Cnn, and the AP... FAIL.
But either way I'm really glad to see that the NCAA is taking the fine funds and putting it back into the helping victims. If only the Paterno family could take a similar road instead of preserving a legacy that is not only diminished, but is tarnished beyond repair. I also really like the processes and procedures they are putting in place to kill the type of culture that allowed to have this happen in the first place. I'm actually really impressed with how the NCAA handled this situation.
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Savage they did have 20 scholarships cut per 4 years. Ten are cut immediately in that they are allowed to give 25 scholarships, which is now cut to 15. Then FBS teams are allowed 85 scholarships during any given season. PSU has been cut to 65 (FCS teams are given 63 so in essence it knocks them down to an FCS team).
The thing is that they probably won't get good scholarship players. Combined with the stigma of going there and what happened and they have no chance to compete in bowl games of even the Big Ten championship game not many players will want to go there. Other schools are already in talks with some of their current players and recruits that have already given their commitments have already bailed. A 4 star CB has already bailed to Michigan this morning. Some recruits like a 5 star TE has re-affirmed his committment but I think that wont be the case with most recruits and I would not be surprised if he changes his mind.
Word is out that PSU best player on offense Silas Redd has already been contacted by USC. Apparently schools have been faxing letters to PSU with lists of players on PSU that they wish to speak to regarding transfer. Some teams have faxed lists over 30 players long. It seems that barring players deciding staying together depsite the penalties that their current team let alone future prospects are being picked off, or at least tempted to by other teams.
Savage they did have 20 scholarships cut per 4 years. Ten are cut immediately in that they are allowed to give 25 scholarships, which is now cut to 15. Then FBS teams are allowed 85 scholarships during any given season. PSU has been cut to 65 (FCS teams are given 63 so in essence it knocks them down to an FCS team).
The thing is that they probably won't get good scholarship players. Combined with the stigma of going there and what happened and they have no chance to compete in bowl games of even the Big Ten championship game not many players will want to go there. Other schools are already in talks with some of their current players and recruits that have already given their commitments have already bailed. A 4 star CB has already bailed to Michigan this morning. Some recruits like a 5 star TE has re-affirmed his committment but I think that wont be the case with most recruits and I would not be surprised if he changes his mind.
Word is out that PSU best player on offense Silas Redd has already been contacted by USC. Apparently schools have been faxing letters to PSU with lists of players on PSU that they wish to speak to regarding transfer. Some teams have faxed lists over 30 players long. It seems that barring players deciding staying together depsite the penalties that their current team let alone future prospects are being picked off, or at least tempted to by other teams.
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Just another note I don't think this punishment will affect the culture that allowed this to happen. I am specifically referring to the culture of football worship etc. You think this will change the culture surrounding Alabama, Auburn, LSU, USC etc....nope I don't think it will at all.
Just another note I don't think this punishment will affect the culture that allowed this to happen. I am specifically referring to the culture of football worship etc. You think this will change the culture surrounding Alabama, Auburn, LSU, USC etc....nope I don't think it will at all.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anthony20031</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just another note I don't think this punishment will affect the culture that allowed this to happen. I am specifically referring to the culture of football worship etc. You think this will change the culture surrounding Alabama, Auburn, LSU, USC etc....nope I don't think it will at all. </div></div>
I don't think football worship is necessarily the culprit in this though. I believe the root cause is that people refused to stand up and call out what they knew to be wrong.
Now we can talk all day about why they didn't speak up be it money loss, job loss, or morals. However these sanctions (and hopefully jail time for the people that failed to report it) will serve as a message to school administrators and the public at large: We need people with the strength of character to stand up for what's right in the face of adversity. Even football worship.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: anthony20031</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just another note I don't think this punishment will affect the culture that allowed this to happen. I am specifically referring to the culture of football worship etc. You think this will change the culture surrounding Alabama, Auburn, LSU, USC etc....nope I don't think it will at all. </div></div>
I don't think football worship is necessarily the culprit in this though. I believe the root cause is that people refused to stand up and call out what they knew to be wrong.
Now we can talk all day about why they didn't speak up be it money loss, job loss, or morals. However these sanctions (and hopefully jail time for the people that failed to report it) will serve as a message to school administrators and the public at large: We need people with the strength of character to stand up for what's right in the face of adversity. Even football worship.
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First off Penn State has one of the highest % of graduating player in the country.. Second your a bunch of mindless sheep who can't think for themselves... There's way too much going on here for you to understand. You want a witch hunt go ahead and have at Sandusky... The president an athletic director... But as we speak the Paterno family has a team of lawyers on this.. The AACP these findings got NOTHInG on joe,,, it didn't stop them from wanting blood. This isn't over....they (AACP) will have there day in court also. You fight for people who can them selves. Joe gave his life to this school. What happened does suck, but because Sandusky was with the football program then joe must have known, and should pay too right??? Mindless sheep. There's no smoking emails no notes... Nothing. You want a sheep then look at Corbett who took 7 years to stop kids from getting raped? Who took thousands from 2nd mile to run, and was on board trustees. I'll tell you... This will make the best movie of all time!!! Oh who wants to go after the Janitor who SAW a rape and didn't say anything to protect his job??? Poor janitor... Just another person letting kids get rapped. But not in football program so we'll let him go... These finding are as one sided as they get, aimed more at joe and the FB program of a school then the guy who did the rapes!!! Really
First off Penn State has one of the highest % of graduating player in the country.. Second your a bunch of mindless sheep who can't think for themselves... There's way too much going on here for you to understand. You want a witch hunt go ahead and have at Sandusky... The president an athletic director... But as we speak the Paterno family has a team of lawyers on this.. The AACP these findings got NOTHInG on joe,,, it didn't stop them from wanting blood. This isn't over....they (AACP) will have there day in court also. You fight for people who can them selves. Joe gave his life to this school. What happened does suck, but because Sandusky was with the football program then joe must have known, and should pay too right??? Mindless sheep. There's no smoking emails no notes... Nothing. You want a sheep then look at Corbett who took 7 years to stop kids from getting raped? Who took thousands from 2nd mile to run, and was on board trustees. I'll tell you... This will make the best movie of all time!!! Oh who wants to go after the Janitor who SAW a rape and didn't say anything to protect his job??? Poor janitor... Just another person letting kids get rapped. But not in football program so we'll let him go... These finding are as one sided as they get, aimed more at joe and the FB program of a school then the guy who did the rapes!!! Really
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I, as an LEO who has taken reports of this nature, and dealt with the victims, believe crimes such as this should be a capital offense for the offender. It often is for the victim. Stripping Paterno's title by cutting the wins about all they can do to him now. His family has to bear his shame.
However, finding another program and moving is easier typed than done. There may be players who had prior knowledge to the horrible crimes being committed. There are certainly many people who did. EVERY SINGLe ONE should serve jail time. Very lengthy jail time. The kids who had no knowledge should not be punished.
By the way, third time sexual offenders in Texas have a capital punishment on the books. Not enforceable. Feel free to write the assclown judge that set the case law precedent with the first such case to come forward.
I, as an LEO who has taken reports of this nature, and dealt with the victims, believe crimes such as this should be a capital offense for the offender. It often is for the victim. Stripping Paterno's title by cutting the wins about all they can do to him now. His family has to bear his shame.
However, finding another program and moving is easier typed than done. There may be players who had prior knowledge to the horrible crimes being committed. There are certainly many people who did. EVERY SINGLe ONE should serve jail time. Very lengthy jail time. The kids who had no knowledge should not be punished.
By the way, third time sexual offenders in Texas have a capital punishment on the books. Not enforceable. Feel free to write the assclown judge that set the case law precedent with the first such case to come forward.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bubb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First off Penn State has one of the highest % of graduating player in the country.. Second your a bunch of mindless sheep who can't think for themselves... There's way too much going on here for you to understand. You want a witch hunt go ahead and have at Sandusky... The president an athletic director... But as we speak the Paterno family has a team of lawyers on this.. The AACP these findings got NOTHInG on joe,,, it didn't stop them from wanting blood. This isn't over....they (AACP) will have there day in court also. You fight for people who can them selves. Joe gave his life to this school. What happened does suck, but because Sandusky was with the football program then joe must have known, and should pay too right??? Mindless sheep. There's no smoking emails no notes... Nothing. You want a sheep then look at Corbett who took 7 years to stop kids from getting raped? Who took thousands from 2nd mile to run, and was on board trustees. I'll tell you... This will make the best movie of all time!!! Oh who wants to go after the Janitor who SAW a rape and didn't say anything to protect his job??? Poor janitor... Just another person letting kids get rapped. But not in football program so we'll let him go... These finding are as one sided as they get, aimed more at joe and the FB program of a school then the guy who did the rapes!!! Really </div></div>
Well someone is a mindless sheep here......
Seriously though, please explain what information that you are privy to that we don't understand? Are you taking part in the investigation? You also make note that the janitor is somewhat responsible as well. And I agree, but why would he be responsible and not Joe Paterno? Joe was the final authority in happy valley, Right? Cause I must have heard the story from many overly proud PSU alum about how he refused to get fired but his <span style="font-style: italic">superiors</span>! And ran them off his property. But now he's not the boss. You can't have your cake and eat it too, it's just that simple.
Not to let Corbett off the hook because I do think that there are some additional questions that need to be asked but you must realize that a district attorney, and law enforcement in general, must have an overwhemling amount of evidnece to prosecute. I've seen enough crime documentaries where the DA knew that someone was guilty but couldn'r bring them to trial. Is this what happened in this case? Not sure but it may had have something to do with it.
Finally, it seems like you are making the case for some sort of conspiracy against the PSU football program. Who is behind this conspiracy? Bobby Bowden? Other NCAA football programs that are jealous of the mediocre PSU program? Come on, it's not like PSU has been dominating college football for years. The media? Why would they stop at Joe, Curly, Shultz,Spanier, BOT's........when we all know that the media would throw any and all under the bus if they could.
In closing just ask yourself what this means to you? Do you still wake up in the morning and go to the same job? Get paid the same? Have the same struggles in life? The only reason I ask is to try and put things in perspective. I <span style="font-weight: bold">used to</span> live and die(figurativly speaking) by how the Steelers were playing. Then after the passing of my father I realized that I can cheer for the Steelers, celebrate when they win, and get pissed when the lose, but they DO NOT truely affect my life. There are things much more serious than PSU FB and a fucking statue. PSU alum are so worried about thier precious FB program they cannot see the big picture. Wrong was done, and many need to pay including your savior. Just saying......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bubb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First off Penn State has one of the highest % of graduating player in the country.. Second your a bunch of mindless sheep who can't think for themselves... There's way too much going on here for you to understand. You want a witch hunt go ahead and have at Sandusky... The president an athletic director... But as we speak the Paterno family has a team of lawyers on this.. The AACP these findings got NOTHInG on joe,,, it didn't stop them from wanting blood. This isn't over....they (AACP) will have there day in court also. You fight for people who can them selves. Joe gave his life to this school. What happened does suck, but because Sandusky was with the football program then joe must have known, and should pay too right??? Mindless sheep. There's no smoking emails no notes... Nothing. You want a sheep then look at Corbett who took 7 years to stop kids from getting raped? Who took thousands from 2nd mile to run, and was on board trustees. I'll tell you... This will make the best movie of all time!!! Oh who wants to go after the Janitor who SAW a rape and didn't say anything to protect his job??? Poor janitor... Just another person letting kids get rapped. But not in football program so we'll let him go... These finding are as one sided as they get, aimed more at joe and the FB program of a school then the guy who did the rapes!!! Really </div></div>
Well someone is a mindless sheep here......
Seriously though, please explain what information that you are privy to that we don't understand? Are you taking part in the investigation? You also make note that the janitor is somewhat responsible as well. And I agree, but why would he be responsible and not Joe Paterno? Joe was the final authority in happy valley, Right? Cause I must have heard the story from many overly proud PSU alum about how he refused to get fired but his <span style="font-style: italic">superiors</span>! And ran them off his property. But now he's not the boss. You can't have your cake and eat it too, it's just that simple.
Not to let Corbett off the hook because I do think that there are some additional questions that need to be asked but you must realize that a district attorney, and law enforcement in general, must have an overwhemling amount of evidnece to prosecute. I've seen enough crime documentaries where the DA knew that someone was guilty but couldn'r bring them to trial. Is this what happened in this case? Not sure but it may had have something to do with it.
Finally, it seems like you are making the case for some sort of conspiracy against the PSU football program. Who is behind this conspiracy? Bobby Bowden? Other NCAA football programs that are jealous of the mediocre PSU program? Come on, it's not like PSU has been dominating college football for years. The media? Why would they stop at Joe, Curly, Shultz,Spanier, BOT's........when we all know that the media would throw any and all under the bus if they could.
In closing just ask yourself what this means to you? Do you still wake up in the morning and go to the same job? Get paid the same? Have the same struggles in life? The only reason I ask is to try and put things in perspective. I <span style="font-weight: bold">used to</span> live and die(figurativly speaking) by how the Steelers were playing. Then after the passing of my father I realized that I can cheer for the Steelers, celebrate when they win, and get pissed when the lose, but they DO NOT truely affect my life. There are things much more serious than PSU FB and a fucking statue. PSU alum are so worried about thier precious FB program they cannot see the big picture. Wrong was done, and many need to pay including your savior. Just saying......
Re: Penn State Death Penalty
Joe isn't my savior, but before I lite my tourch I want to be sure what, and how much he knew. Th report doesn't answer that...but they still handed down punishment. That's wrong, he never had a chance to state his side. I'm pretty sure it's innocent till proven guilty. They just handed down punishment without recorse. Next the family will in the court of law disprove what the AACP said he did. Joe didn't touch a child and what he knew if any thing of rape hasn't been proven. I could say you tag teamed those boys with Sandusky ?? Just by saying that should be enough to end your career right?? And cause you made emails means you did it??? But wait what did the emails say.. Doesn't matter cause the AACP doesn't have to prove nothing! This is blaket blame... Yes Sandusky should be getting skull kicked. But the rest need their day in court, then I'll lite my touch. Oh to answer your question, the janitor saw a kid get raped and swore that in court, did nothing,, he should burn with Sanduski. Still no one proved joe saw, knew,or talked about a kid getting raped??? Joe was told "I think something happened in the shower". He passed that on.. Did what he had too. In hind site was the very least that should of been done, but he did. Cause it was told something might of happened in the shower.. Let's get this in court with the facts and see what shakes out...
Joe isn't my savior, but before I lite my tourch I want to be sure what, and how much he knew. Th report doesn't answer that...but they still handed down punishment. That's wrong, he never had a chance to state his side. I'm pretty sure it's innocent till proven guilty. They just handed down punishment without recorse. Next the family will in the court of law disprove what the AACP said he did. Joe didn't touch a child and what he knew if any thing of rape hasn't been proven. I could say you tag teamed those boys with Sandusky ?? Just by saying that should be enough to end your career right?? And cause you made emails means you did it??? But wait what did the emails say.. Doesn't matter cause the AACP doesn't have to prove nothing! This is blaket blame... Yes Sandusky should be getting skull kicked. But the rest need their day in court, then I'll lite my touch. Oh to answer your question, the janitor saw a kid get raped and swore that in court, did nothing,, he should burn with Sanduski. Still no one proved joe saw, knew,or talked about a kid getting raped??? Joe was told "I think something happened in the shower". He passed that on.. Did what he had too. In hind site was the very least that should of been done, but he did. Cause it was told something might of happened in the shower.. Let's get this in court with the facts and see what shakes out...
Re: Penn State Death Penalty
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bubb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still no one proved joe saw, knew,or talked about a kid getting raped??? Joe was told "I think something happened in the shower". He passed that on.. Did what he had too. </div></div>
I think the point here is that he did pass it on. The guy who was painted on campus with a halo around his head, the man who had a statue of himself outside of the stadium, passed it on to his "leadership". Now while the student affairs person responsible for disciplining students gets run out of Penn State specifically because of how Joe P handled his football players or lack there of, a precedence is established on campus. This precedence basically means that no one can stand up to good ol Joe. The truth is, Joe just passed it on, he didn't do anything. About the report being one sided, I think its important to remember that the University paid for this report. If it is so biased, why would it be biased against the people who are paying the bill? I'm a little lost on that logic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bubb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Still no one proved joe saw, knew,or talked about a kid getting raped??? Joe was told "I think something happened in the shower". He passed that on.. Did what he had too. </div></div>
I think the point here is that he did pass it on. The guy who was painted on campus with a halo around his head, the man who had a statue of himself outside of the stadium, passed it on to his "leadership". Now while the student affairs person responsible for disciplining students gets run out of Penn State specifically because of how Joe P handled his football players or lack there of, a precedence is established on campus. This precedence basically means that no one can stand up to good ol Joe. The truth is, Joe just passed it on, he didn't do anything. About the report being one sided, I think its important to remember that the University paid for this report. If it is so biased, why would it be biased against the people who are paying the bill? I'm a little lost on that logic.
Re: Penn State Death Penalty
Your right PSU did pay for the review..which was being pushed by the trustees. They want quick death end of story. They want to feed the mob so no question get asked about what they knew?? It's like this went to court without really going to court?? There's more money involved than you can rap your heads around?? PSU has a trust of around 52 BUllion! Yes with a B!!! And that's the tip of it....when you add the people who might of knew trustees and their money... It gets even bigger!! So do they need a big head to serve up, so theirs don't roll....... Joe means nothing to them, they didn't get along. But to the kid and fans, yes! Only for that I want this in court, not AACP court the real thing... It's going to be a different outcome...
oh the statue was a class gift!!!
Your right PSU did pay for the review..which was being pushed by the trustees. They want quick death end of story. They want to feed the mob so no question get asked about what they knew?? It's like this went to court without really going to court?? There's more money involved than you can rap your heads around?? PSU has a trust of around 52 BUllion! Yes with a B!!! And that's the tip of it....when you add the people who might of knew trustees and their money... It gets even bigger!! So do they need a big head to serve up, so theirs don't roll....... Joe means nothing to them, they didn't get along. But to the kid and fans, yes! Only for that I want this in court, not AACP court the real thing... It's going to be a different outcome...
oh the statue was a class gift!!!Re: Penn State Death Penalty
If PSU didnt get the death penalty for kids getting raped and covered up for that many years by that many people there wont be another death penalty. SMU was screwed in comparison a much stronger penalty for paying players they were not raping kids my lord how did the NCAA get that one backwards. Ridiculous
If PSU didnt get the death penalty for kids getting raped and covered up for that many years by that many people there wont be another death penalty. SMU was screwed in comparison a much stronger penalty for paying players they were not raping kids my lord how did the NCAA get that one backwards. Ridiculous
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