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Roedale Muzzle Brakes - EuroOptic copy

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whats your beef swedish guy?

our howa magazine system was the 1st Howa AICS magazine system on the market.

we made some remington versions because we couldnt get the badger version and no one in europe made a magazine system for AICS compatability with remington, however the design was based on the Howa unit we designed here and not on the Badger unit.

we then made the worlds first AICS mag system for a tikka T3

I also treid to get Marty Bordson and Glen Seekins to manufacture both the Howa and Tikka unit, but that didnt happen as both where too busy.

Those original own manufacture batches sold out and at the time i was caring for my Mother so Alutec sold me some of thiers and Alutec make the damn things for us since then and Alutec is engraved on them. for the price they where charging which was about 10€ more than i could manufacture them here it seemed to make sence to me to have them make the remington and tikka units and us concentrate on other parts. infact ive just ordered some more..

so where do you get off calling me out,.. have you any constructive input for us or not..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nauta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After looking through the OPs website it is interesting that he sells a "cheap and cheerfull copy of a Harris BiPod."
http://www.webshop.roedale.de/index.php?cat=c104_BiPods.html </div></div>

Man, my heart was breaking for this guy till I saw that.

I guess at least he says it is a copy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fireguyty</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nauta</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After looking through the OPs website it is interesting that he sells a "cheap and cheerfull copy of a Harris BiPod."
http://www.webshop.roedale.de/index.php?cat=c104_BiPods.html </div></div>

Man, my heart was breaking for this guy till I saw that.

I guess at least he says it is a copy. </div></div>

Me too. LOL.
 
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One thing that makes copying brakes so easy is: anyone with a milling machine can make them. There is no need to make them look "cool" since form follows function.

I too would have thought that at least "civilized" countries would respect intellectual property, even without a patent.

A brake is not really a restricted item to ship out of Germany, so the given reason of safety concerns is not valid in my opinion.

The more difficult it is to manufacture a part, the less people try to copy it. That is (still) far east business ("iPhones" that run on a pocket calculator chip).

Now EuroOptics is concerned about their reputation...well, that is a bit late I guess.

Keep your head up, Pete. People that know what Roedale stands for in terms of quality and professionalism will stick to the originals.

And I am speaking as a friend, not from a business perspective. We had to deal with knock offs, too (can you imagine that?)
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: joemusso</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not out of touch 7000 is not a lot of money in this industry. if someone cant afford to patent an item then they should fully expect the item to get copied.

So please do call me out of touch. i am realistic when it come to business PROTECT your self. No one watches out for you but you.</div></div>

For starters, I think it would be tough to get a patent on a muzzle brake given the amount of prior art available for examiners to reference.

Patents aren't some magical document that stops people from ripping off your widget. They afford you some protection provided you have the financial means to defend your patent.

In a small patent dispute you can spend $100,000 litigating the issue before reaching trial. If you go to trial, it gets really f'ing expensive. Let's say you pony up the dough to litigate the issue and win. It's not likely the court will award any damages. The court will determine fair licensing fees, not you. In the case of an item such as a muzzle brake I'd bet the court will award less than $1.00 per infringement.

The other issue is you better have faith in the attorney who drafts your patent application. Lawyers will argue over the meaning of every little detail in court. Sucks to lose because you hired the cheapest attorney to draft your application.

$7k initial is cheap. I know what a top attorney used by several outdoor related companies charges and it's a whole lot more than $7k.

<span style="font-weight: bold">On another note. Perhaps I'm mistaken but this seems a bit odd to complain about someone borrowing an idea when the RCS is so similar to the AICS.</span>
 
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This appears to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
 
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Irregardless, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from EuroOptic.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buckjay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Irregardless, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from EuroOptic. </div></div>

Agreed.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buckjay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Irregardless, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from EuroOptic. </div></div>Agreed.</div></div> And that is the core of the issue, is it not?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buckjay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Irregardless, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from EuroOptic. </div></div>Agreed.</div></div> And that is the core of the issue, is it not? </div></div>

Who said the Canadians had a voice in this???
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buckjay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Irregardless, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from EuroOptic. </div></div>Agreed.</div></div> And that is the core of the issue, is it not? </div></div>

Who said the Canadians had a voice in this???
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am surprised how many folks find it unethical to start with someone elses idea, improve/change it, and market it. How do you think we have the things we do today? Guns, cars, computers, plenty of food, potable water etc etc etc etc etc.

Do you think Prometheus should have felt disgraced and wronged that other folks started to also use fire??

If it is important to you to have exclusivity on an idea/process, you patent it. Period. Even then, somebody will take your idea, improve/tweak it and market it.

I really enjoy having all kinds of goodies based on this model, there is always competition for whose got the best overall mousetrap. </div></div>


This is fact. And well put
 
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I knew some one would mention the AICS and the RCS.

the difference bieng I absolutely over quite a period of time treid to get Accuracy International to manufacture an AICS for the Howa 1500 for me. They had no interest and didnt see a market.

I wrote to them on a number of occasions asking if they could produce this for me. I was told on several occasion the didnt have the time and didnt see a market.

so i carried on re machining remington AICS to fit Howa 1500's.

Then i got the chance to start my own cnc production.

The first thing i did at this stage was once again as Accuracy Int if they could manufacture the AICS for Howa for me. I was given the same answer as before.

I then asked if they had anything against me manufacturing a howa chassis that would fit into thier AICS side pannels, and If i did, would they supply me with the nessecary parts.

I was tolt to go ahead, the copyright on the Remington AICS wasn't renewed after 10 years anyway and that they would supply me with the parts I required.

At this point I started about the construction of a Howa chassis to fit inside the AICS skins.

I didnt simply copy the AICS either, I improved it in my opinion. and AI supplied me with all the parts I required, never enough and never on time, but it got the project started.

Once the RCS as it was known became available, I got a request to manufacture some for a Tikka T3. so I went ahead.

Then we hit the problems of the AICS sides getting difficult to aquire, ( injectionmolding tooling worn and high rate of waste) I then came up with the idea of the non thumbhole version and attemted to get that manufactured here in Germany,.
I then got screwed around my machine shops, tooling manufacturers and the plastics industry for the best part of 2 years.

Then Michael Victor hit the market with his Viperskins.
I didnt bitch about the fact that they where very similar to my RCS II pistolgrip skins that id shown prototypes of 2 years earlier, no, i got a hold of the guy and asked if he could supply me, i saw his skins as an answer to my plastic nightmares, the deal was struck and the RCS II stock has been a goer since then (last November) and again, the RCS II chassis is nit an AICS.. it fits in the same side skins (with a small internal modification) and uses AICS magazines (for short action calibers) otherise its a greatly advanced part, its far more adaptable and upgradable.

I think that issue is a totaly different kettle of fish.


ref the harris bipod and the buffalo river. Europe is in a " Geiz ist Geil" " Bieng a skinflint is great" mentality. partly we have to sell such items to complete an alround package.
The buffalo river merchandise are distributed by the Howa chain. the bipods are cheap and cheerful, but they are a chineese copy. and we make sure that is known.

My Uncle George wouldn't touch anything Japaneese, he fought in Burma and hated the Japs with a passion, had a fair bit to do with a lomng Arisaka bajonet and a jap prison camp i figure. He would have found it hard to get by today avoiding Jap kit.
My Dad wouldnt touch anything chineese, again, Military experience had given him a deep loathing of anything Chineese. In his final 6 months i hadn't the heart to tell him his new large flat screened TV was probably 99% made in china, even though it had a Scandinavian name on the outside.

if we all had to completely avoid made in China equipment, and clothing.. we'd all be walking around naked and fumbling with technology.

Whilst i dont like selling chineese knockoffs, the market unfortunately dictates that some simply have to be included, I however always try to point out that anything is what it is, and provide a western alternative if i can.

Right gotta run, ned to pick up the next 100 RCS II short caliber chassis from the laser engraver.

Pete
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgeonPredator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People that know what Roedale stands for in terms of quality and professionalism will stick to the originals.
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Ebiarms Muzzle Brakes => Roedale Muzzle Brakes (copy ?) => EuroOptic (copy ?)
 
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As someone who has helped to develop products that were deemed too low volume for the patent process, I know how it feels to find that product later given the R&D(Ripoff & Distribute) process.

I ordered a real Roedale brake last week.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Logos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SurgeonPredator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People that know what Roedale stands for in terms of quality and professionalism will stick to the originals.
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Ebiarms Muzzle Brakes => Roedale Muzzle Brakes (copy ?) => EuroOptic (copy ?) </div></div>


Actually thats not true. ebiarms = Darkmetal designs http://stores.ebay.com/DARKMETAL-DESIGN

is maybe a copy of the ebiarms brake,and there are also a few others in the USA as well as one in the UK and also one in Russia that I know of.
The design has several flaws that we detailed during our gas flow laboratory testing. You can also see that it has 3 or 4 rows of ports and not just 2, it also uses different angles and geometry

Ive been "tinkering" with muzzlebrakes and silencers since the early 80's and the basic design of my brake was drawn out back in the late 80's whilst I was stationed in Colchester UK as a Regimental Armourer with the 3Bn The Royal Anglian Regiment. between operational tours i worked closely - was involved in several projects with the Ministry of Defence Research and Developement Establishment in Colchester. Amongst other things one project was more efficiently and more compactly taming the recoil of Anti-Material Sniper Rifles through the use of muzzle brakes.
The basic design i began tinkering with was based very closely on a cross between the muzzlebrake of the 25 pounder artillery gun and the Abbot self propelled gun. Reduced in size and proportion in line with the .50BMG and the 30mm Rarden and with the angles of the side ports directing the propellant gass flow back rather than just at 90° to the bore.
We also tried a larger version of this prototype brake on a 105mm Light Gun, but there where some issues with it and it wasn't persued.

I manufactured several of these brakes for caliber .308win as a moonlighting sideline whilst I was serving and many where fitted to the original Sako TRG 21 ( which had a stainless finish barrel and no muzzlebrake) the FN Model 30 Sniper rifle ( inplace of the GPMG flash suppressor) and to quite a few Remington Senderos. That was in the early to mid 1990's

We did sell Ebiarms brakes for a while when we started our webshop in 2009, as i was not in a possition to manufacture any of my own at the time (indeed one of these models was one of the brakes tested during our research with the FH Osnabrück.)

The snub, 2 port design however does date back to the late 1980's. It was improved ( angles changed, a few radius added) during the diploma study and the end result is the current model.

You could however argue that the clamp alone fixing ( no thread) was Ebingers idea and I would admit that i was sceptical on that until we treid out the ebiarms 20mm clamp brake fitted to a 20mm adaptor threaded M15x1 and the original Sako TRG brake which was also clamp only, all be it with a crossbolt sitting in grouve in the barrel. Since then we have managed to deduce that a barrel diameter of 19mm and upwards will provide enough clamping area and force to ensure a 4 screw brake will stay put.

I also thought the idea for a screw to mount a mirrage band on the Sako and Ebinger design was a good idea and incorporated such a feature.

One of the best brakes we tested was the PGM brake for the PGM338, which i believe is also based on an artillery design. It is a very efficient brake and almost achieves as good a reduction in recoil as ours, almost, but not quite.


rgds Pete


 
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I have been reading this thread with interest and definitely did not want to get involved in the main topic.
I would just like to respond to the last post by Pete Lincoln.
He says he wrote to AI on many occasions. If he had written directly to AI, I would have seen it and I never saw anything.
He says we told him we would supply the necessary parts to manufacture a Howa version. We never were approached and certainly would never have agreed to supply parts to him. We never told him to "go ahead" and if we had been asked would have said no.
Ai has never had any orders with Roedale or Pete Lincoln. They have never been a customer and we do not know how they obtained our parts but obviously did so through distributors or other dealers.

I hope that clarifies the fact that we have never been in communication with Pete Lincoln as he describes.

Tom Irwin
Accuracy International
 
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Pete,

I just wanted to check and see if you have made any replacement muzzle brakes for EDM rifles in .50 BMG?

The brakes for the AI rifles look interesting, I may have to try one to see if it is better than the factory one.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tomirwin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been reading this thread with interest and definitely did not want to get involved in the main topic.
I would just like to respond to the last post by Pete Lincoln.
He says he wrote to AI on many occasions. If he had written directly to AI, I would have seen it and I never saw anything.
He says we told him we would supply the necessary parts to manufacture a Howa version. We never were approached and certainly would never have agreed to supply parts to him. We never told him to "go ahead" and if we had been asked would have said no.
Ai has never had any orders with Roedale or Pete Lincoln. They have never been a customer and we do not know how they obtained our parts but obviously did so through distributors or other dealers.

I hope that clarifies the fact that we have never been in communication with Pete Lincoln as he describes.

Tom Irwin
Accuracy International
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Roedale has always been on my list of never do business with. Every thread on here has always had Pete having to come defend himself for one reason or another. Just my personal opinion, not meant to be an attack.

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Thanks for the laugh <span style="font-style: italic">fireguy!!!</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: buckjay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Irregardless, I didn't expect this kind of behavior from EuroOptic.</div></div>

It's <span style="font-style: italic">regardless.</span>

<span style="font-style: italic">Ir</span>regardless is not a word.
 
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Actually, <span style="font-style: italic">irregardless</span> has recently become a word.

It made it into the most recent edition of the New Oxford American Dictionary. Its definition is: A synonym for regardless.

It is, however, widely noted that the usage is non-standard:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless?s=ts
 
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Awl u smrt asses and you're proper skool learnin.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Awl u smrt asses and you're proper skool learnin.
</div></div>Hey, it took me a while to grad-u-ate, but now I is one.
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Now Rob, if I could only remember the difference between <span style="font-style: italic">flammable</span> and <span style="font-style: italic">inflammable</span>.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually, <span style="font-style: italic">irregardless</span> has recently become a word.

It made it into the most recent edition of the New Oxford American Dictionary. Its definition is: A synonym for regardless.

It is, however, widely noted that the usage is non-standard:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless?s=ts</div></div>

<span style="font-style: italic">regardless</span> of the fact they've allowed stupid to become mainstream, <span style="font-weight: bold">irregardless</span> will never be in my vocabulary.

Just say it <span style="text-decoration: underline">ain't</span> so! HAHAHAHA (yes, I am aware ain't isn't a word also, it was a joke).
 
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To revert to my previous post here [not to 'revert-back' as there is no such thing], in my opinion the grammar aspect of this Thread makes it even more typically European.

That said, after no fewer than two mods have weighed-in (moderators, not the two-wheeled alternative to <span style="font-style: italic">Rockers</span>), could it be that we finally now need a dedicated grammar and useage moderator on the Hide?
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Can we stay on topic and get back to the running free-for-all.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

That said, after no fewer than two mods have weighed-in (moderators, not the two-wheeled alternative to <span style="font-style: italic">Rockers</span>), could it be that we finally now need a dedicated grammar and useage moderator on the Hide?
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Does this mean I'll have to sell my Lambretta scooter?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Does this mean I'll have to sell my Lambretta scooter?</div></div>

Yup
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can we stay on topic and get back to the running free-for-all. </div></div>

I concur. This is a serial discussion.

As far as the grammar/spelling goes, have you seen my daughter text? This country is fucked!!! Is "fucked" a word yet? I really need it to be.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Does this mean I'll have to sell my Lambretta scooter?</div></div>

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That's so freakin' gay it's funny.

*I'm not bashing any gay shooters...I'm just sayin'...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is "fucked" a word yet? I really need it to be. </div></div>Fuck is one of the few words than can be used as a noun, adjective, adverb and everything else needed to form a sentence without using any other word. For example: If I were to say "Fuck! All you fucking fuckers are fucked." You would know exactly what I meant. As a word it really is quite versatile.
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All we need now is for Mark LaRue to post in this thread and all would be complete.
 
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Shank, we will rely on you to do the video.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is "fucked" a word yet? I really need it to be. </div></div>Fuck is one of the few words than can be used as a noun, adjective, adverb and everything else needed to form a sentence without using any other word. For example: If I were to say "Fuck! All you fucking fuckers are fucked." You would know exactly what I meant. As a word it really is quite versatile.
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How do you say ""Fuck! All you fucking fuckers are fucked." in German?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pete Lincoln</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My Uncle George wouldn't touch anything Japaneese, he fought in Burma and hated the Japs with a passion, had a fair bit to do with a lomng Arisaka bajonet and a jap prison camp i figure. He would have found it hard to get by today avoiding Jap kit.
My Dad wouldnt touch anything chineese, again, Military experience had given him a deep loathing of anything Chineese. </div></div>

My wife is Jewish. That's why I don't buy any German shit. Well only beer and HK stuff.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My wife is Jewish. That's why I don't buy any German shit. Well only beer and HK stuff. </div></div>My wife is beautiful. That's why I buy only the best.
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[Disclaimer: Laughter intended for the 'best' part, not the 'wife' or the wife being 'beautiful' part]
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This thread has taken a turn for the interesting
 
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So now we have gone from Roedale saying EuroOptics copied them, to Roedale now having to defend its choices to copy other businesses products?

Reminds me of an Alanis Morsiette song....
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tomirwin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been reading this thread with interest and definitely did not want to get involved in the main topic.
I would just like to respond to the last post by Pete Lincoln.
He says he wrote to AI on many occasions. If he had written directly to AI, I would have seen it and I never saw anything.
He says we told him we would supply the necessary parts to manufacture a Howa version. We never were approached and certainly would never have agreed to supply parts to him. We never told him to "go ahead" and if we had been asked would have said no.
Ai has never had any orders with Roedale or Pete Lincoln. They have never been a customer and we do not know how they obtained our parts but obviously did so through distributors or other dealers.

I hope that clarifies the fact that we have never been in communication with Pete Lincoln as he describes.

Tom Irwin
Accuracy International
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WHy haven't I posted in this thread yet... </div></div>

Because you apparently aren't Canadian, German, Swedish, Japanese, Chinese, Jewish or gay.

Or a combo of thee above.

Or maybe you're just a better person then the rest of us.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do you say ""Fuck! All you fucking fuckers are fucked." in German?</div></div>
Now THIS could be quite interesting. And fun to watch.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sawman556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How do you say ""Fuck! All you fucking fuckers are fucked." in German? </div></div>

Per Google translate:
English to German: Scheiß! Alle du verdammter Wichser gefickt
Then translated back into English: Shit! All you fucking wanker fucked
 
Re: Roedale Muzzle Brakes - EuroOptic copy

I figured that there'd be a "kinder maakken" or four in there somewhere.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming,,,,
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Reminds me of an Alanis Morsiette song....</div></div>

You listen to Alanis Morsiette?
 
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Pete, would love to hear you rebuttle to this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tomirwin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been reading this thread with interest and definitely did not want to get involved in the main topic.
I would just like to respond to the last post by Pete Lincoln.
He says he wrote to AI on many occasions. If he had written directly to AI, I would have seen it and I never saw anything.
He says we told him we would supply the necessary parts to manufacture a Howa version. We never were approached and certainly would never have agreed to supply parts to him. We never told him to "go ahead" and if we had been asked would have said no.
Ai has never had any orders with Roedale or Pete Lincoln. They have never been a customer and we do not know how they obtained our parts but obviously did so through distributors or other dealers.

I hope that clarifies the fact that we have never been in communication with Pete Lincoln as he describes.

Tom Irwin
Accuracy International
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