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Rifle Scopes TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
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Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the video!
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
I spent more than an hour with the engineers and guys from Trijicon and they really did their homework Witt the TARS.
The fact they built a variable optic of this type and made it to withstand ACOG type punishment is amazing.
I can't wait to get my hands on this scope.
I spent more than an hour with the engineers and guys from Trijicon and they really did their homework Witt the TARS.
The fact they built a variable optic of this type and made it to withstand ACOG type punishment is amazing.
I can't wait to get my hands on this scope.
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Thats very interesting to hear about that kind of durability on a variable riflescope. They need to hurry up and let you review one LL. What do you think about the 47oz it's sporting? A necessary weight cost of something that durable?
Thats very interesting to hear about that kind of durability on a variable riflescope. They need to hurry up and let you review one LL. What do you think about the 47oz it's sporting? A necessary weight cost of something that durable?
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It's definitely necessary to hold up to their standards. Meeting with the Engineers it's very clear when you look at the internals as well as the thickness of the glass. They use Real Rochester Schott glass which most companies who claim to use it only do so for prototyping, the cost is extreme to say the least. There is literally a double objective where together they have to be over 1/2" thick.
When you consider it in the context of the use it really is not that big a deal. The scope is a tank and done right from the turrets, to the wall thickness. I have never seen internals that look like this scope's.
The fact they came out of the gate with a Mil Mil and MOA / MOA version says a lot, all the features are there.
It's definitely necessary to hold up to their standards. Meeting with the Engineers it's very clear when you look at the internals as well as the thickness of the glass. They use Real Rochester Schott glass which most companies who claim to use it only do so for prototyping, the cost is extreme to say the least. There is literally a double objective where together they have to be over 1/2" thick.
When you consider it in the context of the use it really is not that big a deal. The scope is a tank and done right from the turrets, to the wall thickness. I have never seen internals that look like this scope's.
The fact they came out of the gate with a Mil Mil and MOA / MOA version says a lot, all the features are there.
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So it is more durable than an S&B, USO or Premier?
So it is more durable than an S&B, USO or Premier?
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FromMyColdDeadHa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So it is more durable than an S&B, USO or Premier? </div></div>
Did you just read the post above yours? You think 47oz is from a bunch of lead fishing weights?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FromMyColdDeadHa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So it is more durable than an S&B, USO or Premier? </div></div>
Did you just read the post above yours? You think 47oz is from a bunch of lead fishing weights?
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Really ?
What part of designed to withstand the same punishment as an ACOG was unclear?
I think people have a misplaced sense of durable especially when you look at track records. So maybe my comments are confusing?
Really ?
What part of designed to withstand the same punishment as an ACOG was unclear?
I think people have a misplaced sense of durable especially when you look at track records. So maybe my comments are confusing?
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Yes Frank, it is confusing. The ACOG is a fixed power scope with an adjustable prism housing. The TARS is a variable powered, seemingly traditional telescope. Thicker tubes and lens don't mean anything without mechanical strength and repeatability.
Maybe you could elaborate on why their erector system is unlike anything you've ever seen.
I was at SHOT. I handled the scope. I stopped listening when the rep told me they pelted the scope with 12 gauge buckshot, and then confirmed that it still held zero. Color me skeptical.
Yes Frank, it is confusing. The ACOG is a fixed power scope with an adjustable prism housing. The TARS is a variable powered, seemingly traditional telescope. Thicker tubes and lens don't mean anything without mechanical strength and repeatability.
Maybe you could elaborate on why their erector system is unlike anything you've ever seen.
I was at SHOT. I handled the scope. I stopped listening when the rep told me they pelted the scope with 12 gauge buckshot, and then confirmed that it still held zero. Color me skeptical.
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Is it just my ignorance, or did anyone else find it odd that the reticle illumination diverged from the reticle itself (creating two separate crosshairs) unless the parallax was set perfectly?
Is it just my ignorance, or did anyone else find it odd that the reticle illumination diverged from the reticle itself (creating two separate crosshairs) unless the parallax was set perfectly?
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Frank, it is confusing. The ACOG is a fixed power scope with an adjustable prism housing. The TARS is a variable powered, seemingly traditional telescope. Thicker tubes and lens don't mean anything without mechanical strength and repeatability.
Maybe you could elaborate on why their erector system is unlike anything you've ever seen.
I was at SHOT. I handled the scope. I stopped listening when the rep told me they pelted the scope with 12 gauge buckshot, and then confirmed that it still held zero. Color me skeptical.
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You guys just don't seem to understand the concept of prototyping and early development of a product.
If you never pulled the caps off, you can't even begin to understand. I know the guys from Trijicon and have worked with them in the past... they are as straight up no bullshit as it comes.
Having been in the room for more than in hour, I was given a detailed view of the optic. Not a "look" on the floor. For them to say something isn't working on the floor but they will have it, well you have it get it, those are the only scopes of that type in existence.
In fact they spent so much time with me, one of the sales guys finally knocked on the door to tell us he had the room reserved for 9AM and it was 9:30.
A lot of the weigh comes from the internals. Take the Premier, there was and has been issues with the wall thickness and the parallax not working if you overtightened or went beyond 15in lbs with some rings. They noted that and increased the wall thickness. The turrets are unlike anything I have seen in their bulk and design. Hence the weight.
ACOGs are known for their durability, they wanted the same durability so they were consistent with the trijicon name.
I get it, it's expensive, its heavy, but I will tell you this. Last year when I saw the "Beast" from NF, the Prototype was built with Rochester Glass and the Schott rep was leaving when I entered. Jeff Huber straight up said, there was no way they could reach the $3500 price point of the full blown Beast if they used the Rochester. Economically it was only viable for prototyping... Now take a complete US Designed and made scope and add that US glass, what do you expect... this is playing with the laws, this is exceeding them.
What happens is, people are upset it is beyond their disposable price range and immediately hate on it. Well when you start to see S&B prices reaching $3800+ especially the Horus models, don't wonder, just hate.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes Frank, it is confusing. The ACOG is a fixed power scope with an adjustable prism housing. The TARS is a variable powered, seemingly traditional telescope. Thicker tubes and lens don't mean anything without mechanical strength and repeatability.
Maybe you could elaborate on why their erector system is unlike anything you've ever seen.
I was at SHOT. I handled the scope. I stopped listening when the rep told me they pelted the scope with 12 gauge buckshot, and then confirmed that it still held zero. Color me skeptical.
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You guys just don't seem to understand the concept of prototyping and early development of a product.
If you never pulled the caps off, you can't even begin to understand. I know the guys from Trijicon and have worked with them in the past... they are as straight up no bullshit as it comes.
Having been in the room for more than in hour, I was given a detailed view of the optic. Not a "look" on the floor. For them to say something isn't working on the floor but they will have it, well you have it get it, those are the only scopes of that type in existence.
In fact they spent so much time with me, one of the sales guys finally knocked on the door to tell us he had the room reserved for 9AM and it was 9:30.
A lot of the weigh comes from the internals. Take the Premier, there was and has been issues with the wall thickness and the parallax not working if you overtightened or went beyond 15in lbs with some rings. They noted that and increased the wall thickness. The turrets are unlike anything I have seen in their bulk and design. Hence the weight.
ACOGs are known for their durability, they wanted the same durability so they were consistent with the trijicon name.
I get it, it's expensive, its heavy, but I will tell you this. Last year when I saw the "Beast" from NF, the Prototype was built with Rochester Glass and the Schott rep was leaving when I entered. Jeff Huber straight up said, there was no way they could reach the $3500 price point of the full blown Beast if they used the Rochester. Economically it was only viable for prototyping... Now take a complete US Designed and made scope and add that US glass, what do you expect... this is playing with the laws, this is exceeding them.
What happens is, people are upset it is beyond their disposable price range and immediately hate on it. Well when you start to see S&B prices reaching $3800+ especially the Horus models, don't wonder, just hate.
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
what does the reticle(s) look like?
what does the reticle(s) look like?
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
I agree
They put a LOT of engineering into this scope
I had a guy argue with me that Aimpoints are overpriced and wanted to have a detailed business justification for the cost..
I agree
They put a LOT of engineering into this scope
I had a guy argue with me that Aimpoints are overpriced and wanted to have a detailed business justification for the cost..
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what does the reticle(s) look like?</div></div>
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=TARS&mid=3-15x50
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what does the reticle(s) look like?</div></div>
http://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product2.php?id=TARS&mid=3-15x50
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I've used a trijicon ACOG scope, I know how good they are, that said, this scope must be built like a tank if they made it to the same specifications as their ACOG scopes.
I've used a trijicon ACOG scope, I know how good they are, that said, this scope must be built like a tank if they made it to the same specifications as their ACOG scopes.
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Looks like it would be great for the military, not so much in the civilian market. It's not going to do anything a NF or S&B or Razor won't do.
However for the guys on a two way range this would defiantly be a added comfort.
Looks like it would be great for the military, not so much in the civilian market. It's not going to do anything a NF or S&B or Razor won't do.
However for the guys on a two way range this would defiantly be a added comfort.
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
3.3 inches of eye relief, a little bit of a bummer
3.3 inches of eye relief, a little bit of a bummer
Re: TGR SHOT SHOW REPORT: TRIJICON TARS 3-15x50 FFP
Frank,
Thanks for the info. I am looking to order one of these!
Frank,
Thanks for the info. I am looking to order one of these!
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Man this thing looks like a monster. Can't wait to see some field reviews.
Man this thing looks like a monster. Can't wait to see some field reviews.
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Any plans for 5-25x? I love the total elevation available. 150 moa is SICK Only other scope that had close to that was the old 10x Bausch and Lomb 4000 series scope. It had 144 moa and it was a fixed power scope.
Any plans for 5-25x? I love the total elevation available. 150 moa is SICK Only other scope that had close to that was the old 10x Bausch and Lomb 4000 series scope. It had 144 moa and it was a fixed power scope.
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I would love to see a 5-25. Most of my shooting is done in the range of the 3-15 power capability, but for 4k I would like to know that the scope has more than what I'm tapping into.
I would love to see a 5-25. Most of my shooting is done in the range of the 3-15 power capability, but for 4k I would like to know that the scope has more than what I'm tapping into.
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Honestly, I'm looking at getting one once I get some money rolling again. I had initially overlooked it due to Trijicon's last attempt at a precision rifle scope that didn't work out all that well. I was bouncing around between Nightforce (which I like mine) and the Premier Reticles. I'm one of those nutcases who is big on magnification and on durability. I like bomb-proof equipment and this scope seems to be as sick as they come.
Honestly, I'm looking at getting one once I get some money rolling again. I had initially overlooked it due to Trijicon's last attempt at a precision rifle scope that didn't work out all that well. I was bouncing around between Nightforce (which I like mine) and the Premier Reticles. I'm one of those nutcases who is big on magnification and on durability. I like bomb-proof equipment and this scope seems to be as sick as they come.
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Putting that kind of money into a totally unproven scope seems crazy to me, when there are plenty of proven scopes out there already. 1st model year and all.
Putting that kind of money into a totally unproven scope seems crazy to me, when there are plenty of proven scopes out there already. 1st model year and all.
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We are special ordering these to start. Retail MAP is $3400....but of course we can do much better....
Scott
We are special ordering these to start. Retail MAP is $3400....but of course we can do much better....
Scott
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Any updates on availability timeframes/reviews of this monster?
Any updates on availability timeframes/reviews of this monster?
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Even if it is bulletproof, $3400 is a large pill to swallow for a 3-15. I would like to see it with some more reticle options, and more magnification.
Even if it is bulletproof, $3400 is a large pill to swallow for a 3-15. I would like to see it with some more reticle options, and more magnification.
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If this is an American built scope with American built glass AND it works as advertised not only will I buy one, I would give it preference over any other scope with comparable features that is within $1000.
'MERICA
If this is an American built scope with American built glass AND it works as advertised not only will I buy one, I would give it preference over any other scope with comparable features that is within $1000.
'MERICA
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even if it is bulletproof, $3400 is a large pill to swallow for a 3-15. I would like to see it with some more reticle options, and more magnification. </div></div>
Yeah I think they're MOA reticle is ok but I'm not too crazy about it. I don't care much for the windage dots that go perpendicular to the center of the reticle on both sides.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Conqueror</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even if it is bulletproof, $3400 is a large pill to swallow for a 3-15. I would like to see it with some more reticle options, and more magnification. </div></div>
Yeah I think they're MOA reticle is ok but I'm not too crazy about it. I don't care much for the windage dots that go perpendicular to the center of the reticle on both sides.
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Alright Trijicon, I'll let you in on a secret. Here the scope you need to build:
5-25x50 or 56 TARS with GAP or Gen 2XR reticle
If they're everything you say they are (and I believe they are), even at $3200-3500 those would sell like a two dollar hooker on buy-one-get-one free night.
Alright Trijicon, I'll let you in on a secret. Here the scope you need to build:
5-25x50 or 56 TARS with GAP or Gen 2XR reticle
If they're everything you say they are (and I believe they are), even at $3200-3500 those would sell like a two dollar hooker on buy-one-get-one free night.
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Has anyone compared the glass in this vs Nightforce?
Has anyone compared the glass in this vs Nightforce?
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Necro-Post: any word yet on the scope?
Necro-Post: any word yet on the scope?
