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AR 10 VS M1A EBR

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe some day I can be a Cool Kid too, and join your guy's Click, your "Black Panther Party Click".

"I'm sorry I ruined your Black Panther Party" -- Forrest Gump </div></div>

Why does this have to go to a discussion of race? So now this is a click?
Why are you bring the black panthers into this?

Are you a racist?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe some day I can be a Cool Kid too, and join your guy's Click, your "Black Panther Party Click".

"I'm sorry I ruined your Black Panther Party" -- Forrest Gump </div></div>

Why does this have to go to a discussion of race? So now this is a click?
Why are you bring the black panthers into this?

Are you a racist? </div></div>


I never thought of it as being racist. I am a Lovesist. I love everyone.

It's a common joke around my way when you ruin someones "party" (aka "feel good session") to quote Forrest Gump.
 
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You have not changed/ruined anything for,...................us.
 
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Well so far all I’ve done is stir the pot. I’ve shot both systems (while serving in USSF) and both rifles get the job done. I am not emotionally attached to either system. I am partial to the AR patterned rifles because the ergonomics are more familiar so there is less training required to have a level of proficiency with the weapons system. Additionally, the AR platform is more accurate.
The M14 was rushed into service by the USG because we had thousands of weapons in storage and the M14 refit program was used to fill a DMM requirement until the M110 could get fielded in mass.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You have not changed/ruined anything for,...................us. </div></div>

Good. So we are square then?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well so far all I’ve done is stir the pot. I’ve shot both systems (while serving in USSF) and both rifles get the job done. I am not emotionally attached to either system. I am partial to the AR patterned rifles because the ergonomics are more familiar so there is less training required to have a level of proficiency with the weapons system. Additionally, the AR platform is more accurate.
The M14 was rushed into service by the USG because we had thousands of weapons in storage and the M14 refit program was used to fill a DMM requirement until the M110 could get fielded in mass.
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No matter what side you are on, it's always more fun to join the party (as oppose to sitting back and watch because you are scared what others might think).
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well so far all I’ve done is stir the pot. I’ve shot both systems (while serving in USSF) and both rifles get the job done. I am not emotionally attached to either system. I am partial to the AR patterned rifles because the ergonomics are more familiar so there is less training required to have a level of proficiency with the weapons system. Additionally, the AR platform is more accurate.
The M14 was rushed into service by the USG because we had thousands of weapons in storage and the M14 refit program was used to fill a DMM requirement until the M110 could get fielded in mass.
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No matter what side you are on, it's always more fun to join the party (as oppose to sitting back and watch because you are scared what others might think). </div></div>

Don't be scared ssatt68! I just broke my chair when I fell out of it laughing. Seriously... I almost passed out lol...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man I would love to meet all you guys in real life!

So now it's back to "what you did in the Service" to determine the merits of the M14.

This place is better than TV! I can cancel my cable now. </div></div>


The lugs shearing and case blowing pieces apart is a major problem you wont fix in the field and your LIFETIME WARRANTY will be over quick.

You keep refering to Canadiam Military like this makes an Armalite gold. Many times things are adobted because they meet minimum spec and are low bid.

My name is Mike Miller. I dont hide behind anything and I am easy to find.


I also dont need anyones help to defend myself, which if you come to find me you will become well aware of that fact. I dont know the man who asked me to take it easy.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My name is Mike Miller. I don't hide behind anything and I am easy to find.
</div></div>

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND I COMING FOR YOUR SLING!!!

Oh wait... I already have one... lol... nevermind...
 
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Both sides are wrong. FAL for the win:</span>

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Both sides are wrong. FAL for the win:</span>

tZWwi.jpg




</div></div>

Nice grass...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Both sides are wrong. FAL for the win:</span>

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Nice grass... </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Thanks. I have the nicest lawn in my trailer park. And it's a <span style="text-decoration: underline">BIG</span> trailer park.</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Funny thing is I am not on either side. Like and dislike both. </div></div>

That's obvious to other observers in this thread. You make valid statements. Cheers.
 
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M14 vs FAL... Good or Bad? Lol...
 
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People without experience always like to discredit it because they don't have any to support their own opinions, but I guess getting into an internet argument every three months and knowing someone who ones something being discussed does.

Also throwing some dirt on the outside of your rifle while out plinking doesn't prove shit. I've never had to throw dirt on the EBR or M110, they got all the dirt, bangs, and abuse being used in actual fire fights. You are right that most soldiers don't know much about rifles, or heck, even the rifles they are using, but I wouldn't discredit their first hand experiences using those rifles just because they don't know everything there is to know about it off of the internet.

You are definitely one of those internet heros that can talk all day and argue about what you have read on the internet, but have no real world knowledge beyond a range and a hand full of dirt.

I don't know Tactical or Gunfighter other than I think Tactical is on some world shooting team and that Gunfighter lives in Alaska. I do know that I do try to not talk shit to people on the net, just out of respect. It doesn't always work, but I try. I also know that every person I have met off of this site and shot with is never how they act in real life. Especially the aggressive argumentative ones like you try to be.

Both rifles have good and bad attributes about them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">People without experience always like to discredit it because they don't have any to support their own opinions, but I guess getting into an internet argument every three months and knowing someone who ones something being discussed does.

Also throwing some dirt on the outside of your rifle while out plinking doesn't prove shit. I've never had to throw dirt on the EBR or M110, they got all the dirt, bangs, and abuse being used in actual fire fights. You are right that most soldiers don't know much about rifles, or heck, even the rifles they are using, but I wouldn't discredit their first hand experiences using those rifles just because they don't know everything there is to know about it off of the internet.

You are definitely one of those internet heros that can talk all day and argue about what you have read on the internet, but have no real world knowledge beyond a range and a hand full of dirt.

I don't know Tactical or Gunfighter other than I think Tactical is on some world shooting team and that Gunfighter lives in Alaska. I do know that I do try to not talk shit to people on the net, just out of respect. It doesn't always work, but I try. I also know that every person I have met off of this site and shot with is never how they act in real life. Especially the aggressive argumentative ones like you try to be.

Both rifles have good and bad attributes about them. </div></div>

I know, we are all Hobbyist, you are an Operator. You are th man. Our guns are just made to take pictures.. you use, correction you "work" your guns, because operators only work their guns.
 
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There are only positive to the AR system. There is no reason why a modern Army would choose an M14 over an AR type rifle.. and guess what? No Army in the world does either.

BTW: I only attack the subject and talk about what I know.. however if you want make it personal, I can play too. Actually I prefer it when people personally attacks me, makes it more fun.
 
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Only someone with no experience with an AR would say it has no negatives.

What a joke.

Oh and I'm not an "Operator" as you put it. Just a guy in the military tired of listening to you regurgitate shit you read on the internet.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Only someone with no experience with an AR would say it has no negatives.

What a joke.

Oh and I'm not an "Operator" as you put it. Just a guy in the military tired of listening to you regurgitate shit you read on the internet. </div></div>

I caught that too, I was going to edit to say "Nothing an M14 can offer over an AR".. but then again I thought I would leave it as is so you can respond.. which I knew you would.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: victory</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And it doesn't matter what anyone say's, you have already shown you will continue to troll on. </div></div>

trapped!

I am not a troll. I am a trapper.

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I think it's not about what's best, but more what suits the user personally. No gun is perfect, there will always be both positives and negatives. The user must know the strengths and weaknesses of his tool in order to use the it to the best of its potential. Focusing only on the strengths leads to overly high expectations and risks exposing the tool to situations where the weaknesses can become more apparent. Likewise focusing only on the weaknesses might result in turning away a perfectly capable tool.
Sometimes a gun that is seemingly inferior to another might excel in situations where the superior gun might fail at.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style="font-weight: bold">I was issued an M14 in the Army in 2004/2005. My observations: </span>
After installing a Sage EBR stock, shimming the gas cylinder, adding a NM op rod guide, NM trigger group, confirming flash suppressor alignment, the gun shot 3 round groups approximately 3/4MOA with M118LR.

Any more than 3 rounds would cause the barrel to heat up enough that groups would open to 1.5-2MOA.

</div></div>

Out of curiosity did you adjust the barrel tensioning screw?
 
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So, which would you rather be standing down range from; a guy with basic knowledge and a .308 pattern AR, or a guy with basic knowledge and an M14 clone EBR?
 
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Depends on a lot of factors NoExpert.

I've never seen an EBR miss fire, but have seen the M110 do it. The M110 is more accurate than the EBR. How long was the individual humping the rifles around? The EBR is a bear to carry on parol due to the chassis, the M110 is more easily carried. How many rounds have been fired before hand? Has it been a 3 hour long fire fight before this shot is taken? Has this rifle been sitting on a mountain top in the rain for 10 days on a patrol? Is it below freezing? When was the last time it was cleaned/lubed.

Nothing is black and white, that is what people aren't getting. Both have things that make them good and bad. Its like arguing between chevy and ford.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I challenge any AR10 or M1A EBR to submit their rifle to this:

10,000 rounds in 9 hours torture test.

http://www.dsarms.com/pdf/Nine%20Hour10.000.pdf </div></div>
S/A (USGI M14) went past that number in the mid 50's. They ran 10 in semi to failure, an 10 in full auto until failure. They were random samples, not hand picked, or built. There was also a test of 10 each of the 4 mfg's by random S/N draw, and the winner surprised everyone.
S/A (civi M1A) G. Il, did it (10K rds)long ago, with a hand picked an built weapon.
American Rifleman did one between a M14 clone(M1A) and a Poly, neither of those came close to real USGI weapons.

LRB tried it with their first ones built at Knob Creek, but had major ammo,(Indian) an a minor spec issue. At Least I got to shoot the first one completed. That clone did cut down a med size tree that day.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shankster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I challenge any AR10 or M1A EBR to submit their rifle to this:

10,000 rounds in 9 hours torture test.

http://www.dsarms.com/pdf/Nine%20Hour10.000.pdf </div></div>
S/A (USGI M14) went past that number in the mid 50's. They ran 10 in semi to failure, an 10 in full auto until failure. They were random samples, not hand picked, or built. There was also a test of 10 each of the 4 mfg's by random S/N draw, and the winner surprised everyone.
S/A (civi M1A) G. Il, did it (10K rds)long ago, with a hand picked an built weapon.
American Rifleman did one between a M14 clone(M1A) and a Poly, neither of those came close to real USGI weapons.

LRB tried it with their first ones built at Knob Creek, but had major ammo,(Indian) an a minor spec issue. At Least I got to shoot the first one completed. That clone did cut down a med size tree that day.
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That's awesome Gunfighter. I am not surprised of the two the the m14 could do it. I think the AR10 manufacturers of today should also do this torture test. If nothing else, it would be fun to see the results.
 
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I think i found hydra67. Well not me personally my friend did. Apparently he was making his own map/level/arena for one of the ARMA games and wanted input for it. I assume it was him because he keep referring to(bashing) this thread and had a very similar name. Just wish i could post the video my friend made of hydra talking to him mallninja buddies.
 
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AR10 VS M14. We all know both suck and the real question is, FAL VS G3 witch is the better zombie shft doomsday obama gun.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...the better zombie shft doomsday obama gun.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MDStroup</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think i know hydra67. </div></div>

Fixed for you...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, which would you rather be standing down range from; a guy with basic knowledge and a .308 pattern AR, or a guy with basic knowledge and an M14 clone EBR? </div></div>

Neither, lol getting shot at sucks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, which would you rather be standing down range from; a guy with basic knowledge and a .308 pattern AR, or a guy with basic knowledge and an M14 clone EBR? </div></div>

Neither, lol getting shot at sucks </div></div>

That was exactly my point. If you're on the receving end, I don't think you care if its an AR10 or EBR, so what's all the fuss about?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, which would you rather be standing down range from; a guy with basic knowledge and a .308 pattern AR, or a guy with basic knowledge and an M14 clone EBR? </div></div>

Neither, lol getting shot at sucks </div></div>

That was exactly my point. If you're on the receving end, I don't think you care if its an AR10 or EBR, so what's all the fuss about? </div></div>

If your scenario was just a one time incident, I don't think it matters what the shooter has. Both guns are fairly reliable for one time gig.

However, I am not discussing one time gigs here, I am talking about the rifle you own, owning long term.. carrying, scoping, smithing, cleaning, shooting your rifle. Which one do you prefer, M14 or AR10?

You know it's ok to prefer one thing over another right? That we don't always have to answer with the canned answer to please both sides do we? You know the canned answer: "both has it's positives and negatives, both are great guns".
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ssatt68</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, which would you rather be standing down range from; a guy with basic knowledge and a .308 pattern AR, or a guy with basic knowledge and an M14 clone EBR? </div></div>

Neither, lol getting shot at sucks </div></div>

That was exactly my point. If you're on the receving end, I don't think you care if its an AR10 or EBR, so what's all the fuss about? </div></div>

If your scenario was just a one time incident, I don't think it matters what the shooter has. Both guns are fairly reliable for one time gig.

However, I am not discussing one time gigs here, I am talking about the rifle you own, owning long term.. carrying, scoping, smithing, cleaning, shooting your rifle. Which one do you prefer, M14 or AR10?

You know it's ok to prefer one thing over another right? That we don't always have to answer with the canned answer to please both sides do we? You know the canned answer: "both has it's positives and negatives, both are great guns". </div></div>

I already did... back on page 3

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NoExpert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an 18.5" EBR setup and plan to get an 18" GAP-10 in the future. I think the GAP-10 will have the advantage just based on the design, but the EBR will still be my favourite. </div></div>

I've shot .308 AR's; even owned one, ditched it to buy a scope for the EBR. Considering I have an LRB M25 receiver with integral rail, scoping it was easy. Cleaning is easy, cause I just clean the bore and chamber and now and then the gas cylinder. Once a year I take it apart for a thorough cleaning. It is heavy to carry, but I don't mind it much, better than it was in a JAE-100 G2. Gunsmithing hasn't been a real issue since I built it; however barrel changes are a pain compared to an AR.

While I think the AR is an easier platform, it doesn't have the feel of the M14, which is what I like. If I wanted an easy to work on, easy to shoot rifle, I'd have sold the EBR and got a scope for the .308 AR.
 
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Does anyone have a 12 point list of "Advantages of M14 over AR10"? I saw a list of AR10 over M14 but would like to see the other list.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Broker said:
3) I don't think carrying a rifle on road marches is a good measuring stick for a rifle. Everyone talks about combat this and combat that, but real results show extended firefights are rare and the average grunt really does not see that much combat. Their were guys in the 101st in WWII, front line guys, been through 4 major operations, and some never even fired their weapons, even as front line troops.

Also for the most part, our weapons were fairly clean when we shot them and we don't stay in combat zones that long.</div></div>

I personally haven't done any combat missions with an M14, but the Vietnam Vet down the street did three tours with one. He qualified for Sniper School but didn't pass because he was unable to make first round hits at...800meters...I think. Anyway follow up shots where spot on. He was put as designated marksman instead, and if I remember correctly the average GI saw 320days of combat in Vietam. You'll have to correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyhow his thoughts on the system was that it was the <span style="font-style: italic"> best</span> . As for the rest of his experiece I don't/didn't ask because I just figure (from experience) that is somebody wants to talk about their service they will. It is considered rude to ask some questions IMO.
As for my experience. I had an M1A and put over 1k round through it. Never cleaned it. How it grouped? Idk. =P It was a nice gun, but a PITA to take apart (did it once). Bad for teaching new shooters that are light on the weight scale IMO.
*feeds Eric-turns into a crow, and flies away*
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tengu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Broker said:
3) I don't think carrying a rifle on road marches is a good measuring stick for a rifle. Everyone talks about combat this and combat that, but real results show extended firefights are rare and the average grunt really does not see that much combat. Their were guys in the 101st in WWII, front line guys, been through 4 major operations, and some never even fired their weapons, even as front line troops.

Also for the most part, our weapons were fairly clean when we shot them and we don't stay in combat zones that long.</div></div>

I personally haven't done any combat missions with an M14, but the Vietnam Vet down the street did three tours with one. He qualified for Sniper School but didn't pass because he was unable to make first round hits at...800meters...I think. Anyway follow up shots where spot on. He was put as designated marksman instead, and if I remember correctly the average GI saw 320days of combat in Vietam. You'll have to correct me if I'm wrong.
Anyhow his thoughts on the system was that it was the <span style="font-style: italic"> best</span> . As for the rest of his experiece I don't/didn't ask because I just figure (from experience) that is somebody wants to talk about their service they will. It is considered rude to ask some questions IMO.
As for my experience. I had an M1A and put over 1k round through it. Never cleaned it. How it grouped? Idk. =P It was a nice gun, but a PITA to take apart (did it once). Bad for teaching new shooters that are light on the weight scale IMO.
*feeds Eric-turns into a crow, and flies away* </div></div>


Soldiers get attach to their gear.

They had DMR's in Vietnam? I always thought that was fairly new term. I was reading a stat once that 4 out of 5 people who claimed to serve in Vietnam, did not serve in Vietnam.

I have much respect for Vietnam Combat Vets, the average Infantryman saw about 5 times more combat duty than the average Infantryman in WWII, even though the Vietnam Infantry man probably served about 1/3rd overall time. Then again, no fault of the WWII Infantryman, since in Nam we did have helicopters helping soldiers get into combat zones faster.

As for DMR, when I served, I never heard of the term, but that did not mean they did not exist. So I am curious to hear more about DMR's in Vietnam. How did they operate? Also when I served, we had what we called "sharshooters", this could have been just a unit term. These guys had Colt 4x scopes mounted to carry handles. Though when we deployed to the Gulf, these 4x scopes did not come with us.
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Get back on track with equipment discussions of the AR10 vs M1A. You have diverted from the original topic and that is in the site rules.

I am trying to learn of each platforms awesome sauce.


Thanks
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get back on track with equipment discussions of the AR10 vs M1A. You have diverted from the original topic and that is in the site rules.

I am trying to learn of each platforms awesome sauce.


Thanks </div></div>

How did we divert from the Original Topic? We are still talking about both rifles.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AR15 VS Mini 14...........discuss </div></div>

be careful! people are going to accuse you of taking this off topic.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCartmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">we had what we called "sharshooters" </div></div>

What exactly by definition is a sharshooter? Is that just some crazy lingo you sharshooters came up with?
 
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