Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

[kirmon]

Howdy,

My brother-in-law is really stirring up crap in my wife's family, and I need to know some facts. He has told his younger siblings that when he served in Iraq, he did so as a sniper. He is a world-class bullshipper, and I want to call his bluff. He has sent my wife/his sister his DD-214's, showing his combat action medal. He states that the B4 designation is left off his DD-214 to protect himself and his family.
Please understand, I am not discounting his tours in Iraq. I served in the Navy during Desert Storm. However, there are better men than him that sacrificed much more than him that are seriously dishonored by his false bravado.
I have copies of his DD-214's - is there anything on them that I should look for that would definitively say yes he was a sniper or no he was not?

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

occasionally an ASI will be left off a 214... usually in the case of a reservist... but if he went to school he'll have a 1059 for that school... but the whole " left off to protect" crap is just that.... crap

 

[Graham]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kirmon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He states that the B4 designation is left off his DD-214 to protect himself and his family.</div></div>Nope.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but if he went to school he'll have a 1059 for that school... but the whole " left off to protect" crap is just that.... crap </div></div>

That's weird, they left my years of SEAL/EOD/Sniper/Ranger/Advanced-Gyno off my DD-214 too but mine was a clerical error and they're sending me a corrected copy just as soon as I figure out Photoshop.

If it was really that sensitive why would he be passing out copies of his 214 in the first place...

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but if he went to school he'll have a 1059 for that school... but the whole " left off to protect" crap is just that.... crap </div></div>

That's weird, they left my years of SEAL/EOD/Sniper/Fleet-Admiral/Ranger/Advanced-Gyno off my DD-214 too but mine was a clerical error and they're sending me a corrected copy just as soon as I figure out Photoshop.</div></div>


I don't know where the sarcasm is directed here... but Reservist/NG will commonly not have schools on a 214... because they didn't get a 214 for the under 30days that they went to the reserve component school at a time... schools and ASIs are only listed if the schhool was attended during the period of AD that the 214 is for, or if the ASI was duty critical during that period of AD...

but all schools get a 1059

 

[sinister]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

Not always true. Pure "Combat" skills courses for combat arms may not be put on the DD-214 (Sniper, Mortar, etc.). Jump school is annotated by "Parachutists Badge."

 

[High Binder]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but if he went to school he'll have a 1059 for that school... but the whole " left off to protect" crap is just that.... crap </div></div>

That's weird, they left my years of SEAL/EOD/Sniper/Fleet-Admiral/Ranger/Advanced-Gyno off my DD-214 too but mine was a clerical error and they're sending me a corrected copy just as soon as I figure out Photoshop.</div></div>


I don't know where the sarcasm is directed here...</div></div>

Towards the OP's brother-in-law. Just quoted you for context since you already nailed the answer.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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air assault used to be noted by the badge too... the point is that all schools will have a 1059 issued at completion... if he went to sniper school... he will have a 1059... 214 may be all fucked up... but he'll have a 1059

 

[haji hunter]

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Correct me if I am wrong. You stated that he had a combat action medal or is it badge because if it is a combat action badge i don't believe he could be a sniper since that is only open to infantry soldiers. A combat action badge if for other jobs in the army. Infantry get the combat infantryman badge

 

[sinister]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

Infantrymen earn a CIB if they are serving in an Infantry brigade or regiment or below -- someone on division staff can't. Infantrymen and Special Forces do not earn CIBs/CFMBs if they are assigned at higher levels (Command or General staffs or joint unit and combined units).

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: haji hunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Correct me if I am wrong. You stated that he had a combat action medal or is it badge because if it is a combat action badge i don't believe he could be a sniper since that is only open to infantry soldiers. A combat action badge if for other jobs in the army. Infantry get the combat infantryman badge </div></div>


you're wrong... sniper school is not limited to Infantry.. though they do have most of the slots... but Cav Scouts are second in line.. so forth and so on

 

[haji hunter]

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he wasn't asking that i was just stating that if he earned a combat action badge or as he called it medal then he is not infantry and i believe infantry are the only ones elected for sniper school out of the other jobs in the army.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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Infantry are NOT the only soldiers who go to sniper school in the Army

 

[haji hunter]

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force: when did they change that recently or how long ago did that happen i remember it being only for infantry

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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it's never been only infantry... a lot of class will be full of infantry... but it's open to other MOSs too... they just don't get as many slots as infantry

 

[Kells81]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Infantry are NOT the only soldiers who go to sniper school in the Army </div></div>

An example of this would be a whack job at 1-67 Armor that somehow made his way into the school... He was the kinda guy that I was sure would be seen on the news someday completing a list!!

 

[Slapchop]

Re: Brother In Law is Stealing Valor

Nice first post! Seems like someone is fishing for info.

 

[RoosterShooter]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Slapchop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice first post! Seems like someone is fishing for info. </div></div>

+1

You'd be better off calling a recruiter for a more definitive answer.

I don't know about the Army, but Marine Corps recruiters are well versed on the ins and outs of service requirements and schools.

 

[rcnpthfndr]

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just to chime in, in the SBCT's each RSTA Scout platoon has 8 sniper slots 2 per RV. i knew scouts that went to sniper school back in the early 90's but once OIF kicked off the doors opened up for scouts and others.
when i went to pathfinder school (07/2002) all i received was a certificate and orders with those who graduated on it saying i was awarded the pathfinder badge, my airborne and Air Assault are the same way, no 1059.
those are reserved for NCOES, DSS, MG and such schools.
now when i retired not too long ago it took 2 days to get my DD-214 straight and its still jacked up i just got tired of explaining to the woman filling it out. for example it had me as a hawk missle repairman for 6 years, most of it was before i even enlisted. so his could be messed up. i was never a Hawk guy, always been a 19D.
you can omit stuff off your DD-214 when you review it. but the whole BS line of protection of self and family the army doesnt care, its just another school.

ETA: Spelling

 

[boomer81]

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Never was in the military. But to Try to discredit your brother in law will do nothing but cause friction in the family unit. This is your first post so I don't know your experience in long range precision shooting. But if your here you must be a shooter or at least have some interest in the subject.

What I would do is kill him with kindness show interest in him and his sniping ability. pump his ego. Every time you see or talk to him ask him to go shoot until he does.Get him on your local range and shoot circles around him. If he will even go. Keep on him either way He will never say a word again. Liars will hang themselves they don't need your help.

 

[High Binder]

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Interesting first and so far only post. I think the OP was just searching for info on how to tell a better lie.

 

[DJ 480]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boomer81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Never was in the military. But to Try to discredit your brother in law will do nothing but cause friction in the family unit. This is your first post so I don't know your experience in long range precision shooting. But if your here you must be a shooter or at least have some interest in the subject.

What I would do is kill him with kindness show interest in him and his sniping ability. pump his ego. Every time you see or talk to him ask him to go shoot until he does.Get him on your local range and shoot circles around him. If he will even go. Keep on him either way He will never say a word again. Liars will hang themselves they don't need your help. </div></div>

this is true if he is a true B4 his knowledge on the subject will speak for itself. Also almost 99% of soldiers that deploy take pictures(alot of pictures actually) I am sure if you ask him he should be able to produce a pic with him and a long gun...don't have to call him out just be like you wanna see a pic thats all.

also not all B4's are crazy fucking shots there is alot more to it(recon,reporting,stalk,field craft,intel gathering) yes shooting is apart of it but in the military its like 10% so shooting skill alone would not be a fair judge. Our snipers are integreated into our Scout Platoon so there almost as much 19D as they are traditional Snipers.

 

[500grains]

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At a family gathering, ask your brother in law for trophy photos of his kills.

 

[rooster2/16]

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You don't have to be an 11 series to go to sniper school. I was a dud fueler that went. I did graduate, yup I suck, but i went. Nat. guard doesn't have it show up on DD214. My brother was Nat Guard and he graduated but nothing on his 214.