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Rifle Scopes Bushnell Elite Tactical zeroing

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I have a Bushnell Elite Tactical and want to adjust the zero point (Zero Stop Adjustment).

I'm shooting at 100 meter, hitting the target and I want the turrent be set at zero.
To make this happen, I'm unscrewing the screw on top of the turrent and lifting it (not all the way up) and adjust it so that the zero (0) is at the vertical line. So far, so good.

Now, the problem is, that the lower edge of the turret starts on the horisontal line ~2.5 up (~4th line on the pic bellow) and I want the lower edge to start on the lowest line on the tube. Maybe like this.

I have search (googled) for descriptions but I can't find any.
- How do I adjust this?

<span style="font-weight: bold">This it not my scope but the picture shows the problem.</span>
Elite-Tactical-10x40-scope-elevation-and-windage-turrets.jpg


Please help.
 
Re: Bushnell Elite Tactical zeroing

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TRAAV</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is no zero stop on that scope </div></div>
The price is $999 and there is no zero stop?
I thought all the "better" scopes had this.

Tactical....?
 
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No way to adjust it.

Your scope will be 1/8 MOA off.

Unless you shoot benchrest it's just a cosmetic annoyance. It's unlikely under any real shooting situation you will be able to hold your point of impact under 1/8 MOA.

The easy answer is to remember which side of the indicator your zero is on. Practically though, it doesn't matter.

This is an issue with scopes that have heavy splines on the inner turrets. This is also why many scopes use a series of grub screws on the turrets and no splines.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zupermac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The price is $999 and there is no zero stop?
I thought all the "better" scopes had this.

Tactical....? </div></div>

That is a purely subjective analysis. You need to read descriptions before buying.
 
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So anyone who buys this scope needs to make their own mark on the tube with tape and white pencil, or do you (anyone) have any other proposal?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That is a purely subjective analysis. You need to read descriptions before buying. </div></div>
I did, but I didnt think that I had this problem at 100 meters. Only when (if) sighting in (zeroing) at 300 meters or so.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zupermac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So anyone who buys this scope needs to make their own mark on the tube with tape and white pencil?</div></div>

No, you need to do what I said.

OR take advantage of Bushnell's guarantee and return the scope.

Most of the time the line is only slightly off if any at all. You appear to have one that is on the far end of "tolerance stacking" and you ended up right in the middle.

Now I ask you......are YOU able to tell the difference in 1/8 MOA adjustment? That equates to 2.61" at 1000 yards. If you can't hold groups tighter than that, all you are bitching about is how it "looks". Now it's YOUR purchase and YOUR hard earned money, so if you are not happy with it, you probably need to return it and get your money back. I have a Elite Tactical 4200 that is like this (in 0.1 mRad adjustments). Amazingly enough it's never been an issue even in competition.
 
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I've read the original post a half-dozen times and I'm not even sure what he's asking.

I *think* he means he wants more elevation available...?

Elite-Tactical-10x40-scope-elevation-and-windage-turrets.jpg


Obviously the scope in this picture has MOA turrets, but the scope he linked to in his first post is the FFP mil/mil unit.

If OP has his scope on a 0 MOA base, and wants the turret on a "lower" line, a 20MOA would require less elevation in the scope for his zero, moving the elevation knob down about 5.5 mils or just over one revolution line.
 
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OK.

I get it now.

He wants the turret zeroed on the bottom line.

That's a no-go. This scope doesn't work like that. Not many do.

I am sensing a language barrier here. For some reason I don't think English is the OP's native language.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK.

I get it now.

He wants the turret zeroed on the bottom line.

</div></div>
Yep I've re read his posts a couple times now and I believe that's exactly what he is asking.
 
Re: Bushnell Elite Tactical zeroing

Those marks on the turret are relative just remember that either 1) your zero is at the "4" marking or 2) make your own mark to remind yourself and go shoot. Personally I would make my own mark to remind myself or put a piece of tape there.
 
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Take a pice of black tape and cover the lines. Leave one showing at your zero so you know that's where you are on the first revolution. Then when you go to your second revolution you will see two lines, then 3 on the third and so on.

I used to do it with my Leupold scopes years ago. I didn't want to darken the lines in incase I moved the scope or made a change so I used tape which is easily removed but stays on during use.
At my zero
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At 15 MOA on the second revolution because 2 lines are showing.
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Re: Bushnell Elite Tactical zeroing

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've read the original post a half-dozen times and I'm not even sure what he's asking.

I *think* he means he wants more elevation available...?

<span style="font-style: italic">Pic</span>

Obviously the scope in this picture has MOA turrets, but the scope he linked to in his first post is the FFP mil/mil unit.

If OP has his scope on a 0 MOA base, and wants the turret on a "lower" line, a 20MOA would require less elevation in the scope for his zero, moving the elevation knob down about 5.5 mils or just over one revolution line. </div></div>

The link is to the scope that I own. The picture is just to illustrate my problem. My scope is FFP MIL/MIL.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
He wants the turret zeroed on the bottom line.
</div></div>
Yes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am sensing a language barrier here. For some reason I don't think English is the OP's native language.
</div></div>
Correct, sorry.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those marks on the turret are relative just remember that either 1) your zero is at the "4" marking or 2) make your own mark to remind yourself and go shoot. Personally I would make my own mark to remind myself or put a piece of tape there. </div></div>
Yes, it seems like it's my only option. Bushnell should leave the scale blank, without horizontal lines. Because all of those who owns this kind of scope must make their own marks (for easier usage).

Is it normal to start at the 3rd line when I'm shooting at 100 meters?


<span style="font-style: italic">(Google translation sucks)</span>
 
Re: Bushnell Elite Tactical zeroing

It depends on the base you are using.
 
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Like boiler said earlier, the 20MOA base will get you a little closer to where you wanna be. But I'm not sure if it would put you dead on or not. If you are shooting real long distances it never hurts to get the 20MOA base anyway.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hyoslvr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like boiler said earlier, the 20MOA base will get you a little closer to where you wanna be. But I'm not sure if it would put you dead on or not. If you are shooting real long distances it never hurts to get the 20MOA base anyway. </div></div>
Ok, thanks.

I need to be able to hit targets up to 700 meters.

I wonder if I should do something like this shooter?
05:07
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zupermac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes, it seems like it's my only option. Bushnell should leave the scale blank, without horizontal lines. Because all of those who owns this kind of scope must make their own marks (for easier usage).</div></div>

No, they put the lines there so those who know how to use a scope can look at them and determine what revolution they are on.

It's not a design issue. It works as it's intended. You need to learn how to use the equipment before attempting to redesign it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: zupermac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I wonder if I should do something like this shooter?
05:07 </div></div>

Sure, you can do that. Until the weather changes or you shoot a different load. Then you have to recalibrate the whole deal.
 
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Ok, I'm just making a mark for my 100 meter so it will be easy to find.
 
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Zupermac,

I would like try to elaborate on what some have said to you as seems you might be misunderstanding how your resettable zero is intended to work. I will try to make this basic only to demonstrate why your turret cap remains in the same place horizontally after your zero.

Your scope posesses a certain amount of elevation adjustment from its optical center (numbers only for ease of demonstration) maybe 60moa total travel, giving you 30 up and 30 down before zeroing. To access this adjustment lets say your dial reads 15 moa, this would require you to make 4 complete turns to go through the entire scale. The optical center in this case would be after 2 complete turns. The numbers and moa/mil scle are irrelavant, the concept is the same.

After mounting and zeroing, your dial will be on a level thats dependent to what base/rings you used, zero distance etc...
Now, you would like to use your resettable feature... This only changes the position of the dial and the direction the numbers are facing, it does not reset which level its on. The indexing marks you are referring to are an indication of how many rotations have been made and what level the dial is on currently. They are reference marks; they provide you from just a quick glance how many rotations you are from your zero. If you need to dial quickly, you may find them useful.

Zero stop: i would venture to say that most scopes do not have a true zero stop. This takes the concept a bit further to prevent losing track of zero by working on a specific click and rotatation of the dial on a certain level. This is usually used in tandem with a resettable zero, so that the 0 is lined up and you cannot travel below it.

Also, if you were attempting this for aesthetic purposes It wouldnt work... If you zeroed at 100 meters and the cap was at the bottom you would not be able to dial without bottoming out at the base.

I hope this was able to clear a bit up for you. I'm not making any presumtions to your level of experience, i just figured it might help with the language issue you brought up to start from there.

Good luck to you
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a pice of black tape and cover the lines.
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Great idea, Rob!
 
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I have the 4200 milmil 1/10mil adjustment version, (3-12x44mm) and this has yet to cause me a problem...

I have a 20moa base, and while it does improve a little, I am still seeing 2 lines at the bottom of my turret base but that isnt even a big deal. I just know when I want to return to zero, move it back down to the second line up...Not hard to miss...

And I remove my knobs all the way when I am adjust the zero. Wont hurt anything to my knowledge, or hasnt yet. And if you feel around a little you can get them exactly on top of the line, they are very fine notches.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Zupermac,

I would like try to elaborate on what some have said to you as seems you might be misunderstanding how your resettable zero is intended to work. I will try to make this basic only to demonstrate why your turret cap remains in the same place horizontally after your zero.

Your scope posesses a certain amount of elevation adjustment from its optical center (numbers only for ease of demonstration) maybe 60moa total travel, giving you 30 up and 30 down before zeroing. To access this adjustment lets say your dial reads 15 moa, this would require you to make 4 complete turns to go through the entire scale. The optical center in this case would be after 2 complete turns. The numbers and moa/mil scle are irrelavant, the concept is the same.

After mounting and zeroing, your dial will be on a level thats dependent to what base/rings you used, zero distance etc...
Now, you would like to use your resettable feature... This only changes the position of the dial and the direction the numbers are facing, it does not reset which level its on. The indexing marks you are referring to are an indication of how many rotations have been made and what level the dial is on currently. They are reference marks; they provide you from just a quick glance how many rotations you are from your zero. If you need to dial quickly, you may find them useful.

Zero stop: i would venture to say that most scopes do not have a true zero stop. This takes the concept a bit further to prevent losing track of zero by working on a specific click and rotatation of the dial on a certain level. This is usually used in tandem with a resettable zero, so that the 0 is lined up and you cannot travel below it.

Also, if you were attempting this for aesthetic purposes It wouldnt work... If you zeroed at 100 meters and the cap was at the bottom you would not be able to dial without bottoming out at the base.

I hope this was able to clear a bit up for you. I'm not making any presumtions to your level of experience, i just figured it might help with the language issue you brought up to start from there.

Good luck to you </div></div>

Thank you BobD,

I understand your post and I can read English with ease. The problem is (for me) when I want to write sentences correctly. Words and phrases are different in my language, therefore it can be wrong sometimes.

Ex. "turrent" is not a word in my language. When I write "turrent" in my language, the english translation is, "steering wheel". My laguage have compound words you divide.

The funny thing is, when I copy your text and pasted it in Google Trans. I could not understand the translation to my language at all. It is easier for me to read your text in englinsh than to try to translate it (with Google). It's a big difference between regular "everyday" English and technical English, especially in terms of weapons and shooting.

When I read your text, I understand that:
Now that I have set the scope to zero (turrent) at 100 meter and the turrent is at the 3rd line (or so). I understaind that I can adust the turrent up and down from this position, but the reason why I wanted a zero stop (or actually to turn the turrent to the bottom when the scope is shooting at 100 meter) is because: I'm not in need of shoting shorter then 100 meter. I want to the adjustment to start at 100 meter and be able to use the hole adjustment range for longer distances. Do you understaind what I mean?

Now that I have this scope that can't haldle this (zero stop) as I want, I have to accept the problem or buy a new scope. I'm thinking of buying a 20 MOA base to be able to shoot from 100 meter up to 1000 meter or more.

At the moment I don't know how many klick I have to be able to shoot 1000 meter. If I have enough now, I won't do anything and accept the scope as it is.

I'm using .308.
Thanks,
 
Re: Bushnell Elite Tactical zeroing

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CleanMoostang</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have the 4200 milmil 1/10mil adjustment version, (3-12x44mm) and this has yet to cause me a problem...

I have a 20moa base, and while it does improve a little, I am still seeing 2 lines at the bottom of my turret base but that isnt even a big deal. I just know when I want to return to zero, move it back down to the second line up...Not hard to miss...

And I remove my knobs all the way when I am adjust the zero. Wont hurt anything to my knowledge, or hasnt yet. And if you feel around a little you can get them exactly on top of the line, they are very fine notches. </div></div>

Please explain, "if you feel around a little"?
 
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I have an elite tactical, and that's just how it is. Even if you remove the cap you can feel the splines. Just get it close and don't worry about it.
 
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I have the same scope on a 20moa base. I get 2 lines under the turret at zero. What he means by "feel around" is after taking the screw out of the turret, lift it off.This won't hurt anything as I have done it several times while zeroing for different loads.Align zero line on the scope with the zero line on the turret. If you feel around there will be a corresponding notch on the turret post that will align the turret with the zero line. Push the turret down to bottom and tighten the screw again. You can either make a mental note how many horizontal lines are showing or do the black tape trick to ID where your zero is.
 
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I've being thinking (trying to understaind this)....

If I have a scope that "has" zero stop and I'm shooting in at 100 meter. I lift the lid of and screws down it to zero stop. When I put the lid back on I set the 0 at the correct place.

Ok, now I can't screw down the turrent, because it's at the bottom (maybe one click left). What have I done? Have I adjusted the hole adjustment range in the scope to the zero stop (start adjust from zs) or just adjusted so that the turrent can't go down further?
 
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Zupermac,

I think I understand now what you are asking...

Which Tacticl Elite do you have? From what i have seen the amount of total internal adjustment varies between models.
* Bushnell uses Moa, Mil, and Inches as forms of measurements, adjustments and descriptions. I have heard that there have been some instances on their website regarding those terms being interchanged improperly. You would be better off consulting another member who has the same model or contacting Bushnell directly if that information is unavailable in your manual.

Its my understanding that given your current setup you will want at least 80 MOA of internal adjustment to zero at 100 and dial to 1,000. It The actual amount that you have to dial (clicks) may differ from others due to a number of variables...

This shooting distance is a bit beyond my comfort level of offering advice, but there are plenty of members on here that do this regularly. You would probably do best posting a different question with a little more information. The best I can do for you at this point is steer you in the right direction.

You should disclose as much Information about your setup to be clear:

Gun you are using- Brand and model
Ammo you are using- bullet type, weight, velocity
Scope- model, magnification, amount of internal adjustment, and how it is mounted
Shooting conditions
Etc...

Also might help if you let people know your native language... May be other members on here that are fluent.

If you use the custom search bar you will find information about zeroing a 308 at 100 and shooting to 1000. There are several threads on the subject and some good reading about the proper setup, including discussing when its necessary to use a 20 moa base...You may want to start there.

Again, a Zero Stop will not offer you a new range of adjustment. It does not start a new elevation adjustment at a certain level. It only prevents you from traveling below a desried level. There is still elevation below it, you are just unable to access it.
I think this definition may have been lost in translation somewhere...
Zeroing, the number zero, resettable zero, zero stop, zero: the absence of a quanitity... Got jumbled somewhere...

Good luck man-



Ps. You had it correct in one of your posts... "Turret" not turrent